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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

Don't forget that we were all ready to anchor the franchise to Lafreniere after his 2024 run and then he went right back to what he was.

No, I wouldn't trade him (not in anything realistic), but let's see what Cuylle does next season.
I agree with this. But just saying "err Cuylle is so overrated" isn't true either. He's a young solid player and those are pretty rare for us. I'm sorry i don't want to trade him for overpaid overrated players.
 
Cool. You're probably one of those guys who think Tkachuk would be our savior right? Robertson is so overrated it's not funny.
I think it's fair to not want those cap hits, or the next contract for Robertson, but there's a big gap between them being overrated and Cuylle being anywhere near their level.
 
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On the other hand, on HFBoards you have people making ridiculous comments saying they wouldn’t trade Will Cuylle for him and that Will Cuylle is a better version of Brady Tkachuk. Last season broke people’s brains.

How does trading Cuylle for another power play dependent winger that we have to pay 11-12 million to after next season make us better? Robertson is a fine replacement for Kreider or Panarin but we need more Cuylle's, not less. This is reality, not Xbox.
 
No, I’m just one of those guys who understands the value each player provides. To suggest Cuylle is close to either player is stupid and should be mocked.
I never said he's close to them but if Cuylle scores 30+30 with all the other shit he does, is it a huge difference? Especially with those cap hits? I mean, try to understand what's going on at least
 
How does trading Cuylle for another power play dependent winger that we have to pay 11-12 million to after next season make us better? This is reality, not Xbox.
What does that even mean? First of all it’s not true, Robertson is one of the best 5v5 scorers in the league. Second of all, every single player who you consider an elite player “depends” on the PP for a significant portion of their point production. Not that either team would make that trade so we don’t have to worry about it.
 
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What does that even mean? First of all it’s not true, Robertson is one of the best 5v5 scorers in the league. Second of all, every single player who you consider an elite player “depends” on the PP for a significant portion of their point production. Not that either team would make that trade so we don’t have to worry about it.
Robertson isn't what this team needs. Enough with the overpaid wingers already.
 
Robertson isn't what this team needs. Enough with the overpaid wingers already.

Robertson is a bargain at his current contract. The issue is he has 1 year left on that contract and is going to get a pretty big raise.

It's not a move they should be making now anyway unless they're really going to commit to moving the big names out.
 
Robertson is a bargain at his current contract. The issue is he has 1 year left on that contract and is going to get a pretty big raise.

It's not a move they should be making now anyway unless they're really going to commit to moving the big names out.
But that's the thing, he's going to get expensive fast and i'd rather not be tied down with another huge deal for a winger
 
He’s not even my first choice but if Dallas was foolish enough to trade him for Cuylle that’s too good to pass up. Also how is he overpaid exactly?

Ignoring positional needs on the team is the same way we ended up saddled with Panarin for 7 years because the opportunity was "too good to pass" on. Robertson is a better player than Cuylle but why is Dallas even entertaining trading him? Selling what few young assets we have for another winger we have to give a huge contract to is just continuing the same trends that have sunk us for years. It's not the move.
 
I thought there would be trades by now since the teams are together for the last time prior to the draft. Typical NHL do nothing league.
 
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How does trading Cuylle for another power play dependent winger that we have to pay 11-12 million to after next season make us better? Robertson is a fine replacement for Kreider or Panarin but we need more Cuylle's, not less. This is reality, not Xbox.
If Zibanejad doesn't score on the powerplay, he gets shredded. Robertson scores and gets labeled as just some powerplay dependent winger? Since 2019-2020 he's 10th in even strength goals/60 and 8th in points over 60.

Again, the cap and term is completely fair when wanting to stay away from Robertson.
 
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If Zibanejad doesn't score on the powerplay, he gets shredded. Robertson scores and gets labeled as just some powerplay dependent winger? Since 2019-2020 he's 10th in even strength goals/60 and 8th in points over 60.

Again, the cap and term is completely fair when wanting to stay away from Robertson.

Better numbers than I expected 5v5, but it doesn't change the logic that building your team around wingers is not a winning strategy in the NHL. Dallas is a good example of that. As are the Rangers.
 


Minnesota had some interest in Nelson. Mika makes sense for them.



Billy can have Zibanejad.



Zibanejad for Rossi? It's up to Mika but Minny doesnt seem like the worst place to play and he can reunite with Zucc and play with some fellow Swedes. I of course was attacked for suggesting this a few weeks back.
 
Meh, Schneider is still 23, which is insanely young for an NHL D man (and one of the reasons I want people to realize how much potential Byram has, even if he has warts - he’s a 23 year old playing 22+ mins and already has a Cup; people comparing him to KAM saying we already have a LHD who has brain farts are forgetting KAM is 25).

Schneider is 23 and has 18 goals, 69 points in 286 NHL games, averaging 16:20 per night so far in his career. Plus 43 playoff games for a total of 329 games.

Borgen is 28 and has 13 goals, 68 points in 298 career games, averaging 16:46 per night so far in his career. He’s appeared in 14 playoff games for a total of 312 games.

Schneider is 5 years younger, has nearly played the same regular season games and averaged the same minutes, put up the same points and more goals in slightly fewer games and has more playoff experience. He’s been credited with 520 hits and 460 blocks and is a +22. Borgen’s been credited with 651 hits and 367 blocks and is a -6.

They’re essentially the same player already, but Schneider is about to enter his prime years and Borgen has maybe 2-3 prime year left.

“Can we get Will Borgen, mom?”

“We have Will Borgen at home.”

I believe Schneider and Miller both deserve patience yet (and also believe Byram is a tremendous buy-low opportunity on a potential 2/3 caliber puck mover with elite skating - something we don’t have). Age 23 is so young for a defender.

In fact, I’d personally be on board for a year of growing pains with:

Byram - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen

It’s a top four with lots of upside and potential. Give it a chance. I find it more appealing than giving Gavrikov 8M x7. Replace Soucy after a year.
You've convinced me on Byram. I'd take the flyer at the right price...
Schneider, on top of being just 23, has had a nagging injury for the last season or two that he's had surgically repaired this off season. I'm expecting a step to be taken.
 
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Better numbers than I expected 5v5, but it doesn't change the logic that building your team around wingers is not a winning strategy in the NHL. Dallas is a good example of that. As are the Rangers.
Building your team around centers is only a good strategy when you have ideal centers. Right now there aren't any available that you would build around for a realistic offer. I know fans wish we would have signed some center stud instead of Panarin, but there's been a short list of younger available centers to build around since the Panarin signing.

Again, I don't want Robertson, but not because he's a winger.
 
Building your team around centers is only a good strategy when you have ideal centers. Right now there aren't any available that you would build around for a realistic offer. I know fans wish we would have signed some center stud instead of Panarin, but there's been a short list of younger available centers to build around since the Panarin signing.

Again, I don't want Robertson, but not because he's a winger.

Keept the youth unless we are trading them for an impact center of left defenseman. If you can get Robertson for Panarin and Braden Schneider, I'm listening. I have no interest in trading Cuylle/Perreault types for him as a rental.
 
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Krieder and Panarin should go, we need a top 4 LD and a top 6 C/W who can slot around.

We’ll find a place for Krieder whether he’s helpful in the process or not. Panarin needs to be convinced that it’s time to move on and be open to an extension for the obtaining team. Because of the civil suit his value isn’t great but he’s still a 90+ pt player. Ideas, destinations?
 
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Zibanejad for Rossi? It's up to Mika but Minny doesnt seem like the worst place to play and he can reunite with Zucc and play with some fellow Swedes. I of course was attacked for suggesting this a few weeks back.
Done. Tell Mika to meet me at LaGuardia tomorrow morning, i have a 1st class ticket for him to Minnesota. I'll even fly the plane.
 
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