Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[GoAwayPanarin]

Robo is a very good player. Some of the takes on him here are just absurd and if it were as simple as replacing one guy with another I'd take him over Panarin every single time, especially at their price points. He's basically 90% of Auston Matthews while being 4 mill cheaper.

I agree with other people that he is not the move to make with out really ripping up this roster and he isn't a go to guy (he isn't paid like one either.) It's a better idea than Necas, but it's not really a good one save making true wholesale changes (see: moving all of the big 3 or 2 and laf)

If Dallas is moving him to take a run at Marner they've lost the plot. Heiskanen is very good, Harley is borderline awesome but beyond that, their defense is worse than the NYR. Lindell is half good, but that half doesn't really even get a chance to shine if you're pairing him with Cody Ceci.

Hauge seems to be the flavor of the day but I'm here to tell you that he is not good. I know he's big and tough but that doesn't mean that a guy can defend. At best hes done okay with bottom pair minutes, but if you're expecting to add a guy and give him more responsibility you want the player who is crushing lesser minutes and driving those results, not the guy who is just existing.

I'd rather just play Soucy and hope for a bounce back season if its one or the other and I want no part of a defense that has both of them.

 

[McRanger92]

Execs also saying Marner may get 14M per yr and Ehlers around 9.5M. Sounds like CHI, Vegas, Utah, and CAR will be in on Marner. Probably others too. Ottawa likely not if the price is that high. Marek and Pagnotta were saying the other day that Anaheim will step up and take a swing at Marner. Marek: "I don't know that Marner wants to go anywhere other than a team that right away is going to be competing for the Stanley Cup, but I would have to think that Anaheim is going to step up and take a major swing here."

Batherson for Schneider?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Batherson for Schneider?

If the Rangers had a young dman to replace Schneider I'd consider it. Although he's one of the few physical dman this team has. Rangers just dont have much young d depth. Batherson is an UFA in 2 years. Not sure if I'd move Schneider for someone who could be gone in 2 seasons. If Schneider was dealt for similar age player would be more beneficial. Rangers dont have the depth to move Schneider

 

[McRanger92]

If the Rangers had a young dman to replace Schneider I'd consider it. Although he's one of the few physical dman this team has. Rangers just dont have much young d depth. Batherson is an UFA in 2 years. Not sure if I'd move Schneider for someone who could be gone in 2 seasons. If Schneider was dealt for similar age player would be more beneficial. Rangers dont have the depth to move Schneider

I like Schneider but he kinda looks like he is what he is and is going to want a contract in the 5M range after next year.. Borgen's a better player. Batherson's 27 with 2 years of control and 3 straight 60 points seasons. Those are selling points not marks against him. You can get a right handed PK specialist who plays 15-17 minutes a night pretty cheap on the free agent market. In a perfect world Id want to move Schneider for a center or lefty defenseman though.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I like Schneider but he kinda looks like he is what he is and is going to want a contract in the 5M range after next year.. Borgen's a better player. Batherson's 27 with 2 years of control and 3 straight 60 points seasons. Those are selling points not marks against him. You can get a right handed PK specialist who plays 15-17 minutes a night pretty cheap on the free agent market. In a perfect world Id want to move Schneider for a center or lefty defenseman though.

Rangers could have drafted dman instead of loading up on forwards and they had a dman raise his stock for him to be dealt for JT although I would make that trade but it hurts that the Rangers organization has not done anything to improve the defensive depth until recently. Can't have 25 forward prospects and 4 d prospect in the organization especially in pro hockey

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers could have drafted dman instead of loading up on forwards and they had a dman raise his stock for him to be dealt for JT although I would make that trade but it hurts that the Rangers organization has not done anything to improve the defensive depth until recently. Can't have 25 forward prospects and 4 d prospect in the organization especially in pro hockey

Rangers entire d-core is under 30 (outside of Soucy). The real issue is that none of their defenseman have developed at the NHL level.

 

[Fitzy]

I like Schneider but he kinda looks like he is what he is and is going to want a contract in the 5M range after next year.. Borgen's a better player. Batherson's 27 with 2 years of control and 3 straight 60 points seasons. Those are selling points not marks against him. You can get a right handed PK specialist who plays 15-17 minutes a night pretty cheap on the free agent market. In a perfect world Id want to move Schneider for a center or lefty defenseman though.

I don't see how Schneider asks for 5 million as an RFA when a guy ahead of him on the depth chart just took 5 x 4.1 as a pending UFA.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Robertson is way better than Necas, I dont care how fast he skates

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rangers entire d-core is under 30 (outside of Soucy). The real issue is that none of their defenseman have developed at the NHL level.

they WERE developing until Laviolette and his Gand Vizier Housley showed up, and they all regressed.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't see how Schneider asks for 5 million as an RFA when a guy ahead of him on the depth chart just took 5 x 4.1 as a pending UFA.

The Cap will have risen 8-10 million in the year and a half between the contracts. He will also be 4 years younger than Borgen.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Friedman had mentioned that Muse interviewed for the HC spot in PIT. Gonna be interested to see what BOS and PIT do because they're the ones holding up the rest of the coaching market.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Krieder, Schnieder, + for JRobo?

 

[effen]

Krieder, Schnieder, + for JRobo?

Kreider needs to go for futures only for the money for KAM and Cuylle.

Dallas needs a quantity trade and can get a good one from 15 teams.

 

[Mothmann78]

Just saw that Utah's 4th is up for grabs but they want a top 6 player in return...very interesting.

 

[Alluckks]

At the very least, it is a young scoring player that is available that we are linked to, which is encouraging. Haven't heard our team much linked to the older guys.

 

[Callafan24]

Obviously we want to improve our roster before the season starts, but some of these hyperbolic takes are so funny. We're a playoff team as soon as we switch to zone coverage defense. We've added some physicality in JTM, Cuylle, Rempe, Carrick. Some of our younger guys are in a good position to fill out the bottom 6.

Does anyone actually think Chris Kreider will never be anything more than a 30-point player? If you can't get a good hockey trade for him, let him play 3rd line + PP and trade him sometime between now and the 2027 deadline when he's a rental. 80% chance his value increases. It certainly can't get much worse.

Panarin can sign a team-friendly extension, or give out the teams he'd be willing to go to. You can't afford to lose him for free next offseason. He's been excellent. You need players like him to even get into the playoffs, and even when the defense tightens up in the playoffs... he's still a 70 point player.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You need players like him to even get into the playoffs, and even when the defense tightens up in the playoffs... he's still a 70 point player.

As a Ranger he’s been a 60 point player in the playoffs.

Panarin’s future here should really be up to what ever their goals are for next year. If it’s just to get into the playoffs? Yeah probably best suited to hold onto him.

If it’s to win in the playoffs? They should move him. It’s not a very realistic goal ATM but he doesn’t help you there.

If it’s to reshape your team? He needs to go
ASAP.

At most this should be his last year here unless he’s willing to give you a stupid discount.

 

[NickyFotiu]

 

[mas0764]

2 ECFs off a rebuild is probably a better than average outcome.

The rebuild goes a lot slower and more to traditional plan if Adam Fox and Igor Shesterkin don't fall from the sky as ready made no development necessary top-5 players at their positions in their 2nd years. Oddly enough you can blame them more than anything.

Adam Fox is just now 27 years old.

I think I can blame management the most for trying to win before the team was ready in his age 24-26 years rather than postponing it a tad and trying to win now that he's 27 with a much better supporting cast.

 

[Callafan24]

As a Ranger he’s been a 60 point player in the playoffs.

Panarin’s future here should really be up to what ever their goals are for next year. If it’s just to get into the playoffs? Yeah probably best suited to hold onto him.

If it’s to win in the playoffs? They should move him. It’s not a very realistic goal ATM but he doesn’t help you there.

If it’s to reshape your team? He needs to go
ASAP.

At most this should be his last year here unless he’s willing to give you a stupid discount.

Respectfully, I don't think the organization's goals really matter. We can't hold onto him under any circumstances without a trade or extension. Realistically he's our best trade asset.

IMO he either extends at a team-friendly discount (for 1-2 years before heading back to Russia), or we explore trades to get as much as we can in return.

Communicating those options to him now lets you leverage those outcomes against each other over the summer so this doesn't carry into next season.

 

[mas0764]

Necas is another guy who is kind of soft and whose numbers drop in the post season.

Besides Matthew Tkachuck, who is a player who isn't soft and whose numbers don't drop in the postseason? I hear this about everyone.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I like Schneider but he kinda looks like he is what he is and is going to want a contract in the 5M range after next year.. Borgen's a better player. Batherson's 27 with 2 years of control and 3 straight 60 points seasons. Those are selling points not marks against him. You can get a right handed PK specialist who plays 15-17 minutes a night pretty cheap on the free agent market. In a perfect world Id want to move Schneider for a center or lefty defenseman though.

Nobody on this team "is what they are" from last years season imo. Nothing worked well for anyone outside of Cuylle, forget about last year, keep our young players and see what they look like with a new coach and system that will more suit them. Ie Zone vs man to man

 

[NickyFotiu]

Besides Matthew Tkachuck, who is a player who isn't soft and whose numbers don't drop in the postseason? I hear this about everyone.

McDavid is one. His point production goes up instead of dropping in the post season. There are a few others as well. McDavid is a cheat code whose skills can overcome faster more physical games.

 

[Alluckks]

Something is close to happening in Dallas

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Besides Matthew Tkachuck, who is a player who isn't soft and whose numbers don't drop in the postseason? I hear this about everyone.

Honestly our biggest problem since forever is being in too much of a hurry. We have Cuylle, Othmann, Edstrom as guys that could fit that role in a year or two. My 2 cents.
Be patient, build around a new core named Laf, Cuylle, Otmann, Edstrom, Perrault, Berard, Miller, Schneider and ofcourse incorporate Fox, Miller, Trochek into it since they are signed long term. Add a player to replace what we'll be missing when Panarin leaves, maybe it's a high priced guy like Marner or someone more reasonable who introduces more speed like Ehlers. Move on from the old core if possible, Kreider and Zib, see what you can get back. Ofcourse this team has no patience so they'll likely trade Miller and Lafreniere just to really blow it up, I'm getting more and more tired of this GM.