Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[NickyFotiu]

I know there was some discussion about speed and the playoffs. Some guys have a motor that can overcome not having speed. Some are called playoff guys or 16 gam3 guys. Others have their good speed slowed down in the tighter more physical playoffs. Then there are elite guys like McDavid. He is a speedy guy that is almost like a cheat code. His points actually go up in the playoffs not down.

 

[LokiDog]

You’re right . A struggling prospect and a late 1st for a 90 point player even at the deadline is probably lowballing it. Maybe they add another pick?

Negative, no matter how much you’d like it to be otherwise. This isn’t Panarin’s fault, or yours. It’s called bad asset management. No one is giving highly touted, breakout aged players + first round picks for 34 year old rental playoff no shows. Sucks? Sure. True? Yes.

 

[haohmaru]

Negative, no matter how much you’d like it to be otherwise. This isn’t Panarin’s fault, or yours. It’s called bar asset management. No one is giving highly touted, breakout aged players + first round picks for 34 year old rental playoff no shows. Sucks? Sure. True? Yes.

What did Brock Nelson return? He's no Panarin.

-> Colorado Avalanche acquire forwards Brock Nelson and William Dufour from New York Islanders for forward Calum Ritchie, defenseman Oliver Kylington, a 1st-round pick in the 2026 or 2027 NHL Draft and a 3rd-round pick in 2028.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What did Brock Nelson return? He's no Panarin.

-> Colorado Avalanche acquire forwards Brock Nelson and William Dufour from New York Islanders for forward Calum Ritchie, defenseman Oliver Kylington, a 1st-round pick in the 2026 or 2027 NHL Draft and a 3rd-round pick in 2028.

Cal Ritchie is not equivalent to Clarke, that’s the problem. Panarin is better than Nelson but he’s still a rental and rentals usually don’t bring back productive, young NHLers who have high ceilings.

 

[Machinehead]

I think the value of our players is a little greater than the perception on here when the team has struggled.

And probably a little bit less than when they've won.

 

[Machinehead]

Cal Ritchie is not equivalent to Clarke, that’s the problem. Panarin is better than Nelson but he’s still a rental and rentals usually don’t bring back productive, young NHLers who have high ceilings.

Yeah if we're talking specifically about Clarke, I don't think we have anything that gets that done. Is there any indication LA would even move him?

It would have been like us moving Lafreniere very early on. It would have required, at the time, overpayment.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yeah if we're talking specifically about Clarke, I don't think we have anything that gets that done. Is there any indication LA would even move him?

It would have been like us moving Lafreniere very early on. It would have required, at the time, overpayment.

I haven’t heard if they would and I doubt they would. I think the Panarin talk is pointless, I don’t see him wanting to go anywhere at least until the deadline if the rangers are out of it and there’s an indication they won’t re-sign him. Guy loves being a ranger.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm not one to be putting Panarins name out there because we need him but I could get on board moving him if we were signing Marner. Also, if Marner leaves Toronto they might be desperate for a Panarin type player or even Kreider, don't know what they'd have that I'd want, Knies would most definitely be a non starter for them, as would Matthews and Nylander. Maybe Morgan Rielly? Picks? Don't think they have much in their system. Getting a younger Panarin type and acquiring assets would help us a lot, plus it would help our left and right winger issues.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I haven’t heard if they would and I doubt they would. I think the Panarin talk is pointless, I don’t see him wanting to go anywhere at least until the deadline if the rangers are out of it and there’s an indication they won’t re-sign him. Guy loves being a ranger.

Kinda agree, maybe a team with former teammate on it, St.Louis, Chicago, Minnesota, or maybe he wants to join Ovie for his final year? Something like that might make sense to him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'm not one to be putting Panarins name out there because we need him but I could get on board moving him if we were signing Marner. Also, if Marner leaves Toronto they might be desperate for a Panarin type player or even Kreider, don't know what they'd have that I'd want, Knies would most definitely be a non starter for them, as would Matthews and Nylander. Maybe Morgan Rielly? Picks? Don't think they have much in their system. Getting a younger Panarin type and acquiring assets would help us a lot, plus it would help our left and right winger issues.

Marner supposedly has an 8-team list and I can’t imagine the rangers are on it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Again, a Panarin deal likely resembles something like what Gaborik returned with a plus on it as Panarin is the better player. I don’t see a deal with LA happening but it would likely include someone like Turcotte more so than Clarke.

I’m not saying it needs to be Anaheim but a deal around Zegras (Brassard) + Mintyukov (Moore) + _______ + picks (likely a 2nd or something like that depending on that 3rd piece). The Gaborik trade returned what amounted to very close to the same salary coming back with Brassard, Dorsett and Moore. Zegras + ______ + Mintyukov is the one I’m concentrating on.

And I realize people don’t love Zegras but that’s likely the type of NHL young player who would be coming back. Someone with some potential but may need a change.

This goes out of the window if Panarin will sign an extension where he’s going. In that case I could see more coming

 

[n8]

Again, a Panarin deal likely resembles something like what Gaborik returned with a plus on it as Panarin is the better player. I don’t see a deal with LA happening but it would likely include someone like Turcotte more so than Clarke.

I’m not saying it needs to be Anaheim but a deal around Zegras (Brassard) + Mintyukov (Moore) + _______ + picks (likely a 2nd or something like that depending on that 3rd piece). The Gaborik trade returned what amounted to very close to the same salary coming back with Brassard, Dorsett and Moore. Zegras + ______ + Mintyukov is the one I’m concentrating on.

And I realize people don’t love Zegras but that’s likely the type of NHL young player who would be coming back. Someone with some potential but may need a change.

This goes out of the window if Panarin will sign an extension where he’s going. In that case I could see more coming

Zegras isn't terrible, especially if you can flip him to another team. He's not the type of player I can imagine winning a cup with unless Sullivan has some sort of magic spell he can cast on Zegras to turn him into a Steve Yzerman.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Again, a Panarin deal likely resembles something like what Gaborik returned with a plus on it as Panarin is the better player. I don’t see a deal with LA happening but it would likely include someone like Turcotte more so than Clarke.

I’m not saying it needs to be Anaheim but a deal around Zegras (Brassard) + Mintyukov (Moore) + _______ + picks (likely a 2nd or something like that depending on that 3rd piece). The Gaborik trade returned what amounted to very close to the same salary coming back with Brassard, Dorsett and Moore. Zegras + ______ + Mintyukov is the one I’m concentrating on.

And I realize people don’t love Zegras but that’s likely the type of NHL young player who would be coming back. Someone with some potential but may need a change.

This goes out of the window if Panarin will sign an extension where he’s going. In that case I could see more coming

Still think they could get Zegras for basically nothing. They’d add to it for Schneider

 

[LokiDog]

Again, a Panarin deal likely resembles something like what Gaborik returned with a plus on it as Panarin is the better player. I don’t see a deal with LA happening but it would likely include someone like Turcotte more so than Clarke.

I’m not saying it needs to be Anaheim but a deal around Zegras (Brassard) + Mintyukov (Moore) + _______ + picks (likely a 2nd or something like that depending on that 3rd piece). The Gaborik trade returned what amounted to very close to the same salary coming back with Brassard, Dorsett and Moore. Zegras + ______ + Mintyukov is the one I’m concentrating on.

And I realize people don’t love Zegras but that’s likely the type of NHL young player who would be coming back. Someone with some potential but may need a change.

This goes out of the window if Panarin will sign an extension where he’s going. In that case I could see more coming

Even though the logic here is sound, I believe Mintyukov is valued far higher than Moore was at that time. It’s the difference between a future “potential” 3-4D (at the time) and a future 2-3D, nearly guaranteed to reach that middle pairing level. It probably negates any plus beyond Zegras/Minty and might actually necessitate retention/plus from NYR to make it realistic. The targets are good and the value is mostly inline, but I think Zegras has inflated value because of how “hyped” the NHL made him as “the trick shot king” and Mintyukov is a cut above Moore, even during Moore’s untapped potential years. For those reasons, I think it’s far more likely NYR are retaining 50% on Panarin and potentially adding (even small adds like Jones + MCB) than getting Z + Minty + anything additional from Anaheim.

 

[Machinehead]

Zegras would be the Rangers version of Mikal Bridges. A move just to make a move that accomplishes almost nothing.

 

[NYRnine94]

I'm so sick of seeing Zegras pop up here. I hope he gets traded somewhere else and we never have to hear about him ever ever again

 

[NYRnine94]

I'm not one to be putting Panarins name out there because we need him but I could get on board moving him if we were signing Marner. Also, if Marner leaves Toronto they might be desperate for a Panarin type player or even Kreider, don't know what they'd have that I'd want, Knies would most definitely be a non starter for them, as would Matthews and Nylander. Maybe Morgan Rielly? Picks? Don't think they have much in their system. Getting a younger Panarin type and acquiring assets would help us a lot, plus it would help our left and right winger issues.

No thanks on Marner. I'm done with the expensive winger signings. It really hasn't won us anything and i'm not interested in paying Marner 12-13 million or whatever he will ask for. He's also soft as shit, pass.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Negative, no matter how much you’d like it to be otherwise. This isn’t Panarin’s fault, or yours. It’s called bar asset management. No one is giving highly touted, breakout aged players + first round picks for 34 year old rental playoff no shows. Sucks? Sure. True? Yes.

You probably havent paid attention around tdl in that case. See Nelson, Brock.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Cal Ritchie is not equivalent to Clarke, that’s the problem. Panarin is better than Nelson but he’s still a rental and rentals usually don’t bring back productive, young NHLers who have high ceilings.

Elite rentals bring a haulllll when moved.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

No thanks on Marner. I'm done with the expensive winger signings. It really hasn't won us anything and i'm not interested in paying Marner 12-13 million or whatever he will ask for. He's also soft as shit, pass.

90pt player, pk,pp, surround him with Miller and Othmann/Cuylle and he'll be good here. His biggest problem in Toronto is that everyone is soft there, we got a few guys to put around him so it doesnt matter. Best available player and if we got him for what we're already paying Panarin as a RW it's a win for us.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Zegras would be the Rangers version of Mikal Bridges. A move just to make a move that accomplishes almost nothing.

LMFAO

 

[Fitzy]

No thanks on Marner. I'm done with the expensive winger signings. It really hasn't won us anything and i'm not interested in paying Marner 12-13 million or whatever he will ask for. He's also soft as shit, pass.

It’s time to try to build a team from the core out (center and defense) and have the role players be the wingers. Couldn’t agree more.

I’ve been fine with the rangers trying to reinvent the wheel and be a contender by a number of different unconventional methods. But the years are piling up. It’s been 20 seasons since the post lockout era. Your best players should be centers and defensemen. Igor is here so we will work with that, and that’s going to have to mean some extremely aggressive cost cutting at the wing position.

A year from now, unless he waives his NMC, Zibanejad should be the only winger here making over 6 million. He’s got the added utility of being able to fill in at C if there’s an injury. Wings are also much easier to add at the deadline.

 

[RangerBoy]

CJ said a new CBA will be announced basically any day now. Both sides wanted to get a new CBA done before the start of the Stanley Cup finals. Looks like they did. I read the both sides have changed the LTIR thing and the playoffs. Evander Kane misses the entire season and there he is for the playoffs. Come on people. Vegas and TB have used. Chicago with Kane in 2015.

 

[haohmaru]

CJ said a new CBA will be announced basically any day now. Both sides wanted to get a new CBA done before the start of the Stanley Cup finals. Looks like they did. I read the both sides have changed the LTIR thing and the playoffs. Evander Kane misses the entire season and there he is for the playoffs. Come on people. Vegas and TB have used. Chicago with Kane in 2015.

My feeling on the playoffs thing is use whoever you want but you still need to be under the cap

 

[RangerBoy]

It’s time to try to build a team from the core out (center and defense) and have the role players be the wingers. Couldn’t agree more.

I’ve been fine with the rangers trying to reinvent the wheel and be a contender by a number of different unconventional methods. But the years are piling up. It’s been 20 seasons since the post lockout era. Your best players should be centers and defensemen. Igor is here so we will work with that, and that’s going to have to mean some extremely aggressive cost cutting at the wing position.

A year from now, unless he waives his NMC, Zibanejad should be the only winger here making over 6 million. He’s got the added utility of being able to fill in at C if there’s an injury. Wings are also much easier to add at the deadline.

The Rangers need to reinvent the entire team. The years are moving fast and the Rangers keep building the same team. Putting it off only delays the process.