Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[effen]

Shouldn't that go for every team in the league?

On good contracts who smell like vanilla and are great with kids and dogs.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think you are underestimating Gavrikov as well as Soucy as a 3rd pair guy. A top 7 of the below is a contender group, especially with everyone getting the procedures they had been putting off/rest.

Would love to work out a deal around Jones and a pick for Issac Howard as well.

Gavrikov - Fox
Miller - Borgen/Schneider
Soucy - Schneider/Borgen
Vaak

Isaac Howard is intriguing for sure. I doubt Jones and a pick is enough

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Isaac Howard is intriguing for sure. I doubt Jones and a pick is enough

Guess the question is what are the Lightning looking for? At worst he walks for free and they get a 2027 end of round 2nd. Do they want an earlier 2nd to help continuing to build their pipeline or use to improve their team while Kuch/point/Vasi etc are still in their primes?

Jones would be a cheap option for them on the 3rd pair. They don't have much in the system.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It's not trading Schneider specifically, it's going out and trading for an 8th left wing. An entire roster of Left Wings. What even are positions. Let's f***ing go.

I mean the Rangers are at a dearth of top 6 prospects as it is. Adding a player like Howard if available is a move you try to make (Not for Schneider). Think the bigger issue is too many LH shots.

Perreault is a RW (though is a LH shoot). Othmann and Berard can play both wings (also a LH shot). Edstrom can play all 3 forward positions (LH shot). Rempe is a RW and a RH shot.

In Hartford you have Sykora (LW/LH shot), Laba (C/RH shot), Chmelar (RW/LW RH shot), Vaisianen (RW/RH shot), and BMB/Roobreck (C/LW LH Shot).

Out of that entire group, just Perreault and Othmann have true top 6 potential. The rest are bottom 6 potential players

 

[effen]

I mean the Rangers are at a dearth of top 6 prospects as it is. Adding a player like Howard if available is a move you try to make (Not for Schneider). Think the bigger issue is too many LH shots.

Perreault is a RW (though is a LH shoot). Othmann and Berard can play both wings (also a LH shot). Edstrom can play all 3 forward positions (LH shot). Rempe is a RW and a RH shot.

In Hartford you have Sykora (LW/LH shot), Laba (C/RH shot), Chmelar (RW/LW RH shot), Vaisianen (RW/RH shot), and BMB/Roobreck (C/LW LH Shot).

Out of that entire group, just Perreault and Othmann have true top 6 potential. The rest are bottom 6 potential players

You cant worry about shots on your depth guys on the farm. You can worry that at the NHL level all of panarin, Kreider, laf, cuylle, Berard, and edstrom are better LWs. You're set. You're done. I wouldn't even sign him for just dollars.

 

[NYRnine94]

We have 5,000 LWs and no center prospects. I love it. Lets's draft another LW at 12 this year

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

You cant worry about shots on your depth guys on the farm. You can worry that at the NHL level all of panarin, Kreider, laf, cuylle, Berard, and edstrom are better LWs. You're set. You're done. I wouldn't even sign him for just dollars.

Understood, though Kreider is more than likely gone and there is potential that Panarin is gone too. Laff has been playing the right side for the last several year. That leaves you just Cuylle in the top 6. Berard and Edstrom are 3rd/4th line guys.

Guess we agree to disagree that if the cost is reasonable, Rangers should try to acquire Howard.

 

[Roo Returns]

Isaac Howard is intriguing for sure. I doubt Jones and a pick is enough

Why give up assets when you can try and sign him for free in 31 days? If someone else wants to give up picks, let them.

 

[NYR Viper]

Guess the question is what are the Lightning looking for? At worst he walks for free and they get a 2027 end of round 2nd. Do they want an earlier 2nd to help continuing to build their pipeline or use to improve their team while Kuch/point/Vasi etc are still in their primes?

Jones would be a cheap option for them on the 3rd pair. They don't have much in the system.

I could see them wanting a prospect back who is in a similar position in another organization. I could see Tampa liking Othmann. Winger for winger trade

 

[NYR Viper]

Why give up assets when you can try and sign him for free in 31 days? If someone else wants to give up picks, let them.

Isn’t he just a junior? He would need to go back for his senior season and then walk next offseason as a UFA. In which case I think TB gets a compensatory pick (2nd I believe). So it’s not like he could just walk away and they get nothing.

 

[Roo Returns]

Isn’t he just a junior? He would need to go back for his senior season and then walk next offseason as a UFA. In which case I think TB gets a compensatory pick (2nd I believe). So it’s not like he could just walk away and they get nothing.

Sign him next summer then. Unless some Rangers scout all of a sudden knows something that no one else does (which happens once every quarter century) he's not going to move the needle or be some material difference maker.

The Rangers have their 700 middle six wingers, need to identify 3-4 of them, and use the other ones as trade chips.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Isn’t he just a junior? He would need to go back for his senior season and then walk next offseason as a UFA. In which case I think TB gets a compensatory pick (2nd I believe). So it’s not like he could just walk away and they get nothing.

He is a junior.

 

[NYR Viper]

Sign him next summer then. Unless some Rangers scout all of a sudden knows something that no one else does (which happens once every quarter century) he's not going to move the needle or be some material difference maker.

The Rangers have their 700 middle six wingers, need to identify 3-4 of them, and use the other ones as trade chips.

A lot can happen in a quest and with the year he just had, I’m not sure going back to college is the best thing for his development. If you like the player and he’s available, make the deal, get the player.

 

[Roo Returns]

Fox isn't being traded. He's gonna be here either most or all of his career. Ottawa isn't trading Sanderson. This is fan fiction.

If Fox shows up to camp lazy or doesn't take this offseason seriously, that says all you need to know about him.

One to three of Kreider, K. Miller, Laf are going.

Gavrikov or Provorov would be fine, but would they want to come here? The "this is New York" or "we have Brighton Beach" narrative doesn't work anymore.

 

[Roo Returns]

A lot can happen in a quest and with the year he just had, I’m not sure going back to college is the best thing for his development. If you like the player and he’s available, make the deal, get the player.

Rangers should be the last team giving up assets. Their depth is literally one goalie, 3000 wingers who all do the same thing, a few D prospects with zero offense, and a very talented but skinny kid (Perrault).

 

[NYR Viper]

Rangers should be the last team giving up assets. Their depth is literally one goalie, 3000 wingers who all do the same thing, a few D prospects with zero offense, and a very talented but skinny kid (Perrault).

Those wingers is part of the reason why it may make some sense. Howard would help diversify that winger group a bit. Say Tampa really likes Othmann or Berard as 3rd line wingers and they offer a one for one deal. Then it makes sense. Or if they like Jones, then that’s another one. Howard is a good young player.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know this is going to sound crazy…. Considering how complex and difficult it is to change positions….

Maybe we should identify which winger can work at center and try them there? I’ve always thought Laffy should be tried at center. If it doesn’t work, who cares.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if TB would be interested in someone like Lawson Crouse. The Rangers trade Kreider to Utah for Crouse ($1m retained) + 2 2nd’s. The Rangers send Crouse to TB for the rights to Howard

 

[NYRnine94]

I wonder if TB would be interested in someone like Lawson Crouse. The Rangers trade Kreider to Utah for Crouse ($1m retained) + 2 2nd’s. The Rangers send Crouse to TB for the rights to Howard

Why wouldn't Utah just trade Crouse to Tampa Bay and get Howard for themselves? Why would they trade for Kreider and give away 2 second round picks?

 

[surlysailor]

I wonder if TB would be interested in someone like Lawson Crouse. The Rangers trade Kreider to Utah for Crouse ($1m retained) + 2 2nd’s. The Rangers send Crouse to TB for the rights to Howard

I don’t see why Howard would want to come to nyr he doesn’t want to sign with tb because he doesn’t see a path playing right away. Now granted I don’t know how close to nhl ready he is, but is he going to leap berard, othmann & Gabe? I’d like to add him for sure, but not sure if he sees a clear path w/nyr

 

[Alluckks]

I’m pretty sure that’s true of virtually all players aside from the truly elite, MVP level players. The games get tighter, the opponents get better, it gets harder to score. Super elite players find ways. I don’t think anyone thinks Zibanejad is/was super elite. The whole team disappeared deeper into the playoffs. They got overmatched and outplayed by better teams. By all standards Panarin is the one who should have the talent to still break through against the stiffest opposition but he actually isn’t built for playoff hockey.

Look at me, defending Zib. Like most, I’m sick of him and his pouty faces and crying to the refs while the play goes the other way. And clearly he wasn’t good *enough* in the later rounds of the playoffs… but he also isn’t Barkov or Mackinnon or Point and expecting him to be at that level was never likely to pan out. He had a really bad, largely gutless season and has pretty much - justifiably - worn out his welcome with the fans. I just don’t like re-writing the previous history where he was largely held up as being one of the few guys who DID show up in the post season.

I wasn't insinuating it was the killshot on Mika's list of faults. But I also think in the conference finals he has fallen off more than other top end players. You're right, that has been mostly a theme with this whole core though. But, Mika being a top guy amongst that group means that a good chunk of the blame rests on his shoulders, as well as it does Panarin, Kreider, etc.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don’t see why Howard would want to come to nyr he doesn’t want to sign with tb because he doesn’t see a path playing right away. Now granted I don’t know how close to nhl ready he is, but is he going to leap berard, othmann & Gabe? I’d like to add him for sure, but not sure if he sees a clear path w/nyr

I could see why not wanting to go to a team with a firmly entrenched forward group would be his best path forward. But if the Rangers trade Kreider and Panarin, that’s not exactly the case in NY. Yes he’d have to compete for playing time but that’s going to be anywhere.

 

[Guitpik]

12th overall for Rossi
Schneider+Laf for Byram+Peterka
Panarin to LA for Clarke + 24
Kreider to Anaheim for like, 2 2nds
Use the 1st from LA and the 2nds from Anaheim to add a top-6 RW, or sign Marchand (or address this in season if the cap is too tight after RFA signings)
Soucy to wherever for like a 5th for cap purposes

Sign Cuylle 8x6, Rossi 8x8, Peterka 8x8, Miller 2x6, Byram 2x4.5, Edstrom 2x1.25, Rempe 2x1.5

Peterka-Miller-Mika
Cuylle-Rossi-Trade/Marchand/in season add
Berard/Parsinen-Trocheck-Perrault/Parinsen
Edstrom-Carrick/Parsinen-Rempe

Miller-Fox
Byram-Borgen
Vaak-Clarke

Roster isn’t perfect but it’s younger and has the potential to be a very good 4 line, 3 pair team. Value on most of those trades is pretty even, I’d say. It’s a lot of movement, probably too much to be realistic, but Drury has plenty of options and this is the level of rebranding this roster NEEDS. With the cap rise teams will be looking to wheel and deal. I don’t think moves like these are completely out of the realm of possibility, but I’ll believe drastic change is coming when i see it. Not super confident we’ll see a huge overhaul before this season. I could see us somewhat running it back with Sullivan (not ideal but I think it could happen).

A soon to be 34 year old one year rental isn’t bringing back Clarke and a first. Stay within realm of reality.

 

[Roo Returns]

Those wingers is part of the reason why it may make some sense. Howard would help diversify that winger group a bit. Say Tampa really likes Othmann or Berard as 3rd line wingers and they offer a one for one deal. Then it makes sense. Or if they like Jones, then that’s another one. Howard is a good young player.

If the Rangers can do a one for one trade, fine. Any attached draft picks and it's a waste of assets.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

A soon to be 34 year old one year rental isn’t bringing back Clarke and a first. Stay within realm of reality.

You’re right . A struggling prospect and a late 1st for a 90 point player even at the deadline is probably lowballing it. Maybe they add another pick?