Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[Boris Zubov]

The Rangers need a new identity on offense as well. Panarin is a mega offensive talent obviously, but he is not the future here.

There was something to just being whatever with the stagnant 5v5 offense when we were riding a top 5 powerplay in the league. But that went to shit last year as well.

We are no longer fixing the holes in the broken ship. We are taking the salvageable pieces from the ship and using them on a new one.

This is what needs to happen, but are we actually doing that yet? I don't think we have enough cap space or roster flexibility(NMCs) to execute this as of now.

 

[Fitzy]

This is what needs to happen, but are we actually doing that yet? I don't think we have enough cap space or roster flexibility(NMCs) to execute this as of now.

That's why this offseason will be interesting. We're all rooting for a massive shakeup and multiple large scale trades.

Because if we're using ship analogies, last season's ride went about as well as the Vasa's maiden voyage.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

I mean… if you’re reading the news as it comes out, her case is awful and she was older than the players involved at the time and is on film requesting and offering certain things… I’m neither the judge nor the jury, but I wouldn’t be so quick to condemn the players involved either. Group sex isn’t a crime. And while some of the players were underaged, the woman in question was 20 and, again, is on film offering and asking for things. I’d either advise following the case or withholding judgement.

Just because she's older than the players doesn't give the players permission to sexually assault her. Group sex is a crime if it's against someone's will.

I don't want any of those players anywhere near the NYR organization.

 

[duhmetreE]

The gap between the vets and everybody else was pretty large. Vets took a giant step back and the rest of them didn't accumulatively make up for it with a step forward.

Panarin doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Zibanejad doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Kreider doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
And the man-on-man system probably made it even worse for them.

Somebody has to step up. Whether that's somebody new. Somebody coming back from trading a vet or somebody in our system.

We need a hard skater or two and we need a shooter or two.

That’s why Peterka makes sense. The cost is the problem. It’ll probably cost us Laffy or a Schneider package. Replacing young kids on the roster doesn’t change what I think the root problem is…. That’s Zibs and Kreider.

And yet you can count on one finger the better skaters than Kreider on this team.

kreider has great straight line speed. His motor has become suspect.

good skaters in the NHL now have fluid agility and first few steps to create separation. We really don’t have that in anyone on the roster.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Just because she's older than the players doesn't give the players permission to sexually assault her. Group sex is a crime if it's against someone's will.

I don't want any of those players anywhere near the NYR organization.

It wasnt against her will. I dont think youre following the trial and evidence. Was it weird? Yes sir. Was any of it sexual assault? Absolutely not. Girl was a god damn psychopath.

Id take michael mcleod here in a nanosecond

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider, Zibs + 1st
for
Rossi, Brodin

love to get Heidt too

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I agree that he's keeping the pick, but he just signed a long extension. He's not fighting for his job, as much as he should be or we wish he were

Oh yeah. I guess my brain repressed that. Too painful

 

[TGWL]

Is there a deal to be made for Rossi? Trade board said Minnesota wants a late 1st. Would anybody trade the 12th pick for Rossi? Maybe even include Kreider in the deal for a bigger package? Kreider+12 for Rossi+Lambos+Hartman+late pick? Not sure of their prospect situation and how the cap works with this deal but we basically trade Kreider's deal for Rossi since it says he wants 7 mil. Idk how much Hartman makes and we also get a young LD prospect who i don't know shit about so yeah. Just throwing an idea out there.

Lineup would be:

Panarin-Miller-Zibanejad
Cuylle-Rossi-Lafreniere
Othmann/Perreault-Trocheck-Hartman
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe/Brodzinski

I have no clue if this works with the salary cap. And the defense is still shit. Kreider+12 might even be an overpayment so maybe make the deal even bigger and get a better asset back.

Nobody believes that Rossi was offered for a late 1st. The 12th is not a late pick and would probably get them to listen, but I don't think you're getting a bigger deal with throwing in Kreider to bring that back. I think you also have to expect Rossi production to drop if he's not sniffing #1 powerplay time.

Kaprizov is a UFA next season and I'm calling Minnesota every day to see where that contract extension is. Unrealistic, probably, but I'm still doing my job as a GM to throw everything I can to bring him here if they can't sign him.

 

[TGWL]

We need a hard skater or two and we need a shooter or two.

That’s why Peterka makes sense. The cost is the problem. It’ll probably cost us Laffy or a Schneider package. Replacing young kids on the roster doesn’t change what I think the root problem is…. That’s Zibs and Kreider.


kreider has great straight line speed. His motor has become suspect.

good skaters in the NHL now have fluid agility and first few steps to create separation. We really don’t have that in anyone on the roster.

The cost is always the problem. It's a game of trying to sell players we want to trade while wanting to trade them for a big reason. Rangers are now down a 1st to use as an asset. Without a team taking a shot on a vet, all we have are risky lateral moves, where we trade somebody young and struggling and hope the player coming back doesn't look just as crappy in our system.

 

[tlk]

That's why this offseason will be interesting. We're all rooting for a massive shakeup and multiple large scale trades.

Because if we're using ship analogies, last season's rise went about as well as the Vasa's maiden voyage.

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been there

 

[duhmetreE]

I dont get why Guerin is actively trying to get rid of Rossi.

Yes he's small but he has that bowling ball build

I know he would covet Kreider. Is there a way to convince Zibs to tag along and meet up with another bestie in Zucc. Three amigos.

+8M in cap space assuming Rossi gets $7M

Cuylle JTM Gabe
Panarin Rossi Laffy
Berard Tro Othmann

pipe dream, I know.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I dont get why Guerin is actively trying to get rid of Rossi.

Yes he's small but he has that bowling ball build

I know he would covet Kreider. Is there a way to convince Zibs to tag along and meet up with another bestie in Zucc. Three amigos.

+8M in cap space assuming Rossi gets $7M

Cuylle JTM Gabe
Panarin Rossi Laffy
Berard Tro Othmann

pipe dream, I know.

I was thinking Panarin being a better fit for the Wild. Rossi, Hartman and Yurov the return

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t think Panarin would be of any interest to the wild outside of giving Kaprizov a Russian buddy to play with.

All of the marks they probably see as bad for Rossi also apply to Panarin who is a decade older.

 

[NYRnine94]

Nobody believes that Rossi was offered for a late 1st. The 12th is not a late pick and would probably get them to listen, but I don't think you're getting a bigger deal with throwing in Kreider to bring that back. I think you also have to expect Rossi production to drop if he's not sniffing #1 powerplay time.

Kaprizov is a UFA next season and I'm calling Minnesota every day to see where that contract extension is. Unrealistic, probably, but I'm still doing my job as a GM to throw everything I can to bring him here if they can't sign him.

I feel like Rossi would be perfect for this team. He's young and he can score, he's only 23. If we are trading assets, it should be for a center or a LD

 

[Vitto79]

We need a hard skater or two and we need a shooter or two.

That’s why Peterka makes sense. The cost is the problem. It’ll probably cost us Laffy or a Schneider package. Replacing young kids on the roster doesn’t change what I think the root problem is…. That’s Zibs and Kreider.


kreider has great straight line speed. His motor has become suspect.

good skaters in the NHL now have fluid agility and first few steps to create separation. We really don’t have that in anyone on the roster.

He’s going to fetch more than some think but I agree change is needed in the room so gotta go this route

 

[Vitto79]

I dont get why Guerin is actively trying to get rid of Rossi.

Yes he's small but he has that bowling ball build

I know he would covet Kreider. Is there a way to convince Zibs to tag along and meet up with another bestie in Zucc. Three amigos.

+8M in cap space assuming Rossi gets $7M

Cuylle JTM Gabe
Panarin Rossi Laffy
Berard Tro Othmann

pipe dream, I know.

Call me crazy but Panarin with Kaprizov ?

Rossi , D prospect ,picks

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Way too many moves but one can dream right?

Panarin for Rossi, Hartman ($2M retained) and Yurov
Kreider for Crouse ($1M retain), 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd.
Laff and Schneider for Power and Peterka
Sign Dummulin to a 1 year $1.5M deal

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Rossi - Trocheck - Peterka
Crouse - Hartman - Othmann
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Power - Fox
Miller - Borgen
Soucy - Dummulin
Vaak

 

[TGWL]

I feel like Rossi would be perfect for this team. He's young and he can score, he's only 23. If we are trading assets, it should be for a center or a LD

He's definitely talented, but there's a lot of risk when it comes to offering up assets and then singing him for a big cap.

I'm not sure we have the right pieces in place here. Our fanbase complains about the physicality of Zibanejad and Rossi is no better. He's 5'9, barely hits and average at best on faceoffs. What happens when that 17.6% shooting comes down and powerplay time is reduced? I'm not certain that we're going to give him the keys to powerplay #1.

I'm not against Rossi, and he's not bad, but there's some concerns that we might not get the following from him, especially when I think it's going to cost more than a last 1st. I also think the organization is going to favor Trocheck over Rossi and we might see his minutes be reduced here.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I was thinking Panarin being a better fit for the Wild. Rossi, Hartman and Yurov the return

Lol Yurov is wild 2c next year and they aren't trading him at all

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Way too many moves but one can dream right?

Panarin for Rossi, Hartman ($2M retained) and Yurov
Kreider for Crouse ($1M retain), 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd.
Laff and Schneider for Power and Peterka
Sign Dummulin to a 1 year $1.5M deal

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Rossi - Trocheck - Peterka
Crouse - Hartman - Othmann
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Power - Fox
Miller - Borgen
Soucy - Dummulin
Vaak

with all due respect, wild won't trade Yurov whose penciled in as their 2c next year for a winger. They also aren' t retaining on any player when they are in win now mood because expectations are they will sign Kap to the largest contract extension in NHL History on July 1st

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

with all due respect, wild won't trade Yurov whose penciled in as their 2c next year for a winger. They also aren' t retaining on any player when they are in win now mood because expectations are they will sign Kap to the largest contract extension in NHL History on July 1st

Agree to disagree, while he has an opening, just like Perreault does for a top 9 winger position, I don't see either cracking their respective NHL teams lineups in the fall.

 

[NYRnine94]

He's definitely talented, but there's a lot of risk when it comes to offering up assets and then singing him for a big cap.

I'm not sure we have the right pieces in place here. Our fanbase complains about the physicality of Zibanejad and Rossi is no better. He's 5'9, barely hits and average at best on faceoffs. What happens when that 17.6% shooting comes down and powerplay time is reduced? I'm not certain that we're going to give him the keys to powerplay #1.

I'm not against Rossi, and he's not bad, but there's some concerns that we might not get the following from him, especially when I think it's going to cost more than a last 1st. I also think the organization is going to favor Trocheck over Rossi and we might see his minutes be reduced here.

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There are risks but what if he improves and ends up scoring 70-80 points? Do we really want to keep doing this over and over again with older centers? Rossi gives us a chance to get a young center on this team, it's something we don't have in the organization. These are all fantasy trades anyway but Rossi might be available

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I literally don’t care what the Rangers offense looks like without Panarin. I’m beyond over seeing what it looks like with him putting up 100 point regular seasons only for him to be a compiler in the playoffs that doesn’t actually push the team anywhere past disappointing conference finals bids.

Time to go in a different direction.

If Panarin is on the roster in October I really don’t wanna read a word about Drury “changing the culture of this team”, it’s ridiculous.

 

[NYRnine94]

If Panarin is on the roster in October I really don’t wanna read a word about Drury “changing the culture of this team”, it’s ridiculous.

Yep and that's why it makes no sense to keep Panarin. People act like we will never score goals again and if that is the case, good. Then Drury will be forced to figure something else out instead of forcing everything to Panarin. It's a shit way to build a team.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If Panarin is on the roster in October I really don’t wanna read a word about Drury “changing the culture of this team”, it’s ridiculous.

Same can be said about Zibanejad & Kreider. I don't see things moving forward until all 3 are gone, even if it means taking a step back in the standings.