Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[Tawnos]

Up until last year Kreider has killed it at 5v5 metrics. I think the bigger reason would be he's moveable, frees up cap space, and maybe he and Drury hate each other.

Eh, not really. He was fairly average for a top-6 forward in pretty much every metric except goal scoring in the three seasons before last year. In the 110-120 range among forwards with 2000+ minutes in metrics like CF% and xGF%. Goal-scoring alone, he was 39th in g/60 (35th in raw total). That's good, but would really turn into a semantic discussion about what "killed it" means.

 

[majordomo]

But if were competing, why move Kreider? Makes no sense as usual with this team

That's just running it back with the same old, same old....which is what I thought most of the folks here did not want.

 

[majordomo]

The Rangers offense completely evaporates without Panarin.

It wasn't exactly on fire with him.

 

[effen]

The Rangers offense completely evaporates without Panarin.

Because their gameplan for five years has been "give it to Bread or Fox and let them do some magician shit unless Kreider scores on a breakaway". Without those crutches they'll probably have to move their feet and do stuff and have plans to make that happen from training camp.

 

[haohmaru]

Because their gameplan for five years has been "give it to Bread or Fox and let them do some magician shit unless Kreider scores on a breakaway". Without those crutches they'll probably have to move their feet and do stuff and have plans to make that happen from training camp.

Well, let's be honest, you've got a guy that's scored 120 points, a guy that's scored 90+ points (Zib), a guy that's scored 52 goals, a defenseman that's good for 70+/year, a 2nd line center good for 50-70 points and added another guy who's got 100+ points in a season along with Lafreniere.

I mean, this team SHOULD be able to score goals.

 

[effen]

It worked more than it didn’t work over the past two full seasons and post seasons. Two games of a rough start against LA doesn’t neutralize that and if you’re going to sit here and disingenuously say Edmonton hasn’t been an elite defensive team the entire past two years theres no point in discussing it. They don’t have elite goaltending or defensive personnel yet have been a smothering team defensively for two seasons. It’s not exclusively systems either. They have the same thing Florida has; top to bottom buy in. The Rangers can’t all collectively buy in under a coach through three straight coaches, going on a fourth now, recycling geriatric retreads. Knoblauch should absolutely have gotten the nod being from our system and familiar with our young roster players.

None of that is anything any dino coach doesn't preach my entire life: defense, gap control, hard on the puck, buy in from the best player to to the scratches. What I said was he has a lot of dino coach in him (he does, their preferred method of offense generation is point shots with traffic in front while employing McDavid and Draisaitl).

That doesn't imply he's inept. If you want to say his ability to get buy in is special, I dunno, maybe, but it didn't look like it in Hartford until he started stacking AHL vets for one stretch run.

 

[majordomo]

Well, let's be honest, you've got a guy that's scored 120 points, a guy that's scored 90+ points (Zib), a guy that's scored 52 goals, a defenseman that's good for 70+/year, a 2nd line center good for 50-70 points and added another guy who's got 100+ points in a season along with Lafreniere.

I mean, this team SHOULD be able to score goals.

Should === yes. The problem comes when they don't score. There's no one to pick up the slack....rather than a 120-point scorer, Rangers need consistent scoring from the remainder of the roster.

 

[Levitate]

Should === yes. The problem comes when they don't score. There's no one to pick up the slack....rather than a 120-point scorer, Rangers need consistent scoring from the remainder of the roster.

If you wanna win I think having a 120 pt scorer and pretty consistent scoring in appropriate areas is likely the key factors!

 

[NYRnine94]

Should === yes. The problem comes when they don't score. There's no one to pick up the slack....rather than a 120-point scorer, Rangers need consistent scoring from the remainder of the roster.

Can we trade like 30 of those points for playoff goals from Panarin?

 

[tlk]

Are people really thinking it's about coach Garlic? I mean jeez

 

[Homelander]

Why is this fanbase so afraid of changes? We just had one of the most embarassing seasons in recent memory and people want to keep the team together. Why?

I don't think it's so much that. I think it's more that we've seen Drury's track record and we're afraid of what he's going to do.

 

[Alluckks]

The Rangers need a new identity on offense as well. Panarin is a mega offensive talent obviously, but he is not the future here.

There was something to just being whatever with the stagnant 5v5 offense when we were riding a top 5 powerplay in the league. But that went to shit last year as well.

We are no longer fixing the holes in the broken ship. We are taking the salvageable pieces from the ship and using them on a new one.

 

[Levitate]

I think the bigger issue is that drastic changes aren't easy even if you have the ability to trade whoever you want and with the contract limitations it's even harder to see a big remake of the Rangers in the next few years unless several high profile guys are gonna waive their NMC's

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nothing wrong with Gallant and Lavi as coaches .....Drury just failed to add the right pieces they needed when they were needed . Gallant and Lavi had 3 great 100 plus point seasons.....probably as good a 3 season stretch in NHL history....I doubt there were many better . The problem has been drafting-developing and trades and dumb signings like Nemeth . Coaching was the least of our woes .

I think we hoped that guys like Laf, KK, Krav, KAM would turn out to be better than they have so far.

 

[bernmeister]

Have you seen their cap situation? They can't afford bread even 75% off. Also no way in hell are they moving Bischel, that ship has sailed.

yeah I see their cap
I think it would take work but I think the #s can be made to work
As to whether or not they move Bisch for anyone, that is another story, not sure what their upcoming D pic is like

The flip side of this is if they want to go all in again, what proven scoring commodity besides bread is available?

 

[leetch99]

Thanks for the heads up on this. It was an interesting read.

Yes...it was a good read . I have not really followed the case and I had figured that they were all guilty.....but it looks like they will be acquitted and if so all UFA 's I assume ? So why not....MacLeod is a heck of a player and was a thorn in the Rangers side a lot . I'm not familiar with the other guys .

 

[leetch99]

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[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

yeah I see their cap
I think it would take work but I think the #s can be made to work
As to whether or not they move Bisch for anyone, that is another story, not sure what their upcoming D pic is like

The flip side of this is if they want to go all in again, what proven scoring commodity besides bread is available?

Their upcoming D is Bischel and no one else

 

[leetch99]

I’d call his bluff or just let him go if he’s serious.

If he’s gonna play that card, why would you even want him around?

He won't...it's new contract time and he is a Russian....so he will notch a 100 points this season and somebody will give him a new deal with loads of money .

 

[TGWL]

The gap between the vets and everybody else was pretty large. Vets took a giant step back and the rest of them didn't accumulatively make up for it with a step forward.

Panarin doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Zibanejad doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Kreider doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
And the man-on-man system probably made it even worse for them.

Somebody has to step up. Whether that's somebody new. Somebody coming back from trading a vet or somebody in our system.

 

[leetch99]

The gap between the vets and everybody else was pretty large. Vets took a giant step back and the rest of them didn't accumulatively make up for it with a step forward.

Panarin doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Zibanejad doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
Kreider doesn't skate like he did 2 years ago.
And the man-on-man system probably made it even worse for them.

Somebody has to step up. Whether that's somebody new. Somebody coming back from trading a vet or somebody in our system.

You forgot....Fox did not skate like he did 1 year ago....hopefully he recovers over the months off to be no slower than he was in his first prime seasons . .

Maybe Lafreniere finally steps up .....he is long overdue . Maybe his 4th? coach as a Ranger is the charm !

 

[kovazub94]

Thats also up to Panarin. I forget where but at some point he did an interview that alluded to it being NY or Russia for his future.

Not exactly. He said he wants to come back to Russia to finish his career there (and raise his kids) and said it will happen whenever his role in the NHL diminishes to fall outside the top-6 role… which doesn’t seem to be at least for another 2-3 years minimum.

Unlike many here I don’t think moving Panarin is a must (in vacuum not knowing the return). I’d also wouldn’t exclude an option of resigning him for 3-4 more years (for no more than $9m AAV with the rising cap) - knowing that if his games eventually falls apart - he’d be willing to leave years / money on the table to retire from the NHL to go back to Russia.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Not exactly. He said he wants to come back to Russia to finish his career there (and raise his kids) and said it will happen whenever his role in the NHL diminishes to fall outside the top-6 role… which doesn’t seem to be at least for another 2-3 years minimum.

Unlike many here I don’t think moving Panarin is a must (in vacuum not knowing the return). I’d also wouldn’t exclude an option of resigning him for 3-4 more years (for no more than $9m AAV with the rising cap) - knowing that if his games eventually falls apart - he’d be willing to leave years / money on the table to retire from the NHL to go back to Russia.

Thanks for the clarification. Do you happen to have a link to that article?

 

[80s Kid]

Srsly. It's only May guys and gals. You don't heff to be mad. Not yet.

 

[kovazub94]

Is what fans felt when he played for their team
At the NHL level this past season.

He’s got a tonnnn of work to do.

If there was a way to reacquire him at low cost - I would.