Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[NYRnine94]

Like it or not that's the most likely scenario. Maybe Kreider moves. Less likely but maybe KAM and/or Laf. I highly doubt Zib or Bread move.

But if were competing, why move Kreider? Makes no sense as usual with this team

 

[McRanger92]

But if were competing, why move Kreider? Makes no sense as usual with this team

The team stinks 5v5 and Kreider is a chief culprit in that. He's aging and we need cap space. Same boat as Mika but less trade protection.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

But if were competing, why move Kreider? Makes no sense as usual with this team

Salary cap. How do they resign all the RFAs?

 

[effen]

The team isnt going to be worse next year. Theyll be better by default even if they do nothing. But I doubt they do nothing.

I do not understand the fetish to purposely be worse with a bunch of guys in or slightly past their prime so in 2027 you can be bad with a bunch of guys fully past their prime.

- Let's full reset so when my kid graduates elementary school they can compete again.
- Actually, the stars didn't align, let's put it off till she's graduated middle school.
- Wait, there's a generational C coming out her junior year of HS, ok, cool, 2043, that's the year all the stars will align and they can go back to the Eastern Conference Finals

- Except I GOT HIT BY A BUS 11 YEARS BEFORE THAT AND IM f***ING DEAD.

 

[NYRnine94]

Salary cap. How do they resign all the RFAs?

True. I guess it makes sense in that case

 

[lakeshirts37]

Pain.

its the AHL. relax.

 

[McRanger92]

I do not understand the fetish to purposely be worse with a bunch of guys in or slightly past their prime so in 2027 you can be bad with a bunch of guys fully past their prime.

The rebuild broke people's brains. fans need to be realistic with the roster and cap situations and think about how we address team needs rather than how we make room for young players just for the sake of playing young players.

 

[McRanger92]

its the AHL. relax.

Braden Schneider would look like Larry Robinson against the Tucson RoadRunners too.

 

[effen]

The rebuild broke people's brains. fans need to be realistic with the roster and cap situations and think about how we address team needs rather than how we make room for young players just for the sake of playing young players.

The whole point of this thing is to watch fun hockey games, not to win #1 prospect pool in THN.

I'm not simming my life to 2052 so young Center depth can be just right in time for a team of minimum salary goalies to lose in the 1st round anyway.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's crazy, i really realized watching these playoffs...Mika and Panarin make Connor and Leon look like fooking Tom Wilson and Sam Bennett in terms of physicality and getting into altercations and going to the 'hard' areas (yea cliche, but true).

The fact that they aren't nearly good enough alone in skill (mainly 93) and they are huge p***yes on top of it is just infuriating. Even a guy like Kucherov is a dirty prick in the playoffs too which is what you want from your top guys. The only comparable to other playoff teams top guys are the Maple Leafs and mauybe Hurricanes in terms of p***yfication.

Plus, while a guy like Aleks Barkov isn't confrontational at all, he at least holds the puck below the goal line and grinds in the corners and takes hits and spins off guys to make plays.

Sometimes you really hate being a fan of this team and org.

Not for nothing, but Zibanejad has out scored Panarin by 11 points in the playoffs during the time where they’re both been on the team. When the chips have been down, 10 has been a way bigger issue than 93.

McDavid outscored Panarin’s 3 NYR runs by 10 last year alone.

Lastly, if you don’t think McDavid or Draisaitl ever go into the “hard” areas id suggest you watch a bit closer. They’re 3rd and 4th all time in playoff points per game, you don’t do that by strictly sticking to the outside.

 

[McRanger92]

The whole point of this thing is to watch fun hockey games, not to win #1 prospect pool in THN.

I'm not simming my life to 2052 so young Center depth can be just right in time for a team of minimum salary goalies to lose in the 1st round anyway.

Wait until the meltdowns we see here when the Rangers trade the 12th Overall pick (a 17-18 year old) for a 24-25 year old RFA. Drury sold our future!!!

 

[Fitzy]

The whole point of this thing is to watch fun hockey games, not to win #1 prospect pool in THN.

I'm not simming my life to 2052 so young Center depth can be just right in time for a team of minimum salary goalies to lose in the 1st round anyway.

The counterargument will be that one of the reasons the Rangers have one cup in 85 years is because they never develop enough star players from prospects themselves.

So we can joke about waiting 25 years all we want, but that's exactly what we've been doing anyways.

 

[duhmetreE]

Like it or not that's the most likely scenario. Maybe Kreider moves. Less likely but maybe KAM and/or Laf. I highly doubt Zib or Bread move.

I can see a way if Zibs and Kreider are packaged together to a north east team

 

[LokiDog]

Knoblouch has a lot of dino coach to him. This is not a knock, dino coaches do dino things because they generally work. But the Rangers aren't missing out on any great tactics other than employing Connor McDavid.

I don’t believe that’s true. Edmonton was a dumpster fire defensively before Knoblauch got there and they’ve been incredible defensively since. Ekholm is a stud, but he just played his first game of the playoffs. Nurse, Bouchard, Kulak, Stecher… it’s not exactly an all star blue line nor stud goalies. Is employing McDavid the reason Dallas averaged 1.5 goals per game after game 1? And it isn’t hot goaltending either. Dallas couldn’t generate much to even test Skinner with. They got completely neutralized despite having like 7 50+ point players, including 3 80+.

Edmonton became a unit and plays as one, even when McDavid isn’t on the ice, after Knob got there. He’s done a good job.

Edmonton is getting a good knob job.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

But if were competing, why move Kreider? Makes no sense as usual with this team

Did you watch the team at all last season?? Jesus, he was awful.

 

[effen]

I don’t believe that’s true. Edmonton was a dumpster fire defensively before Knoblauch got there and they’ve been incredible defensively since. Ekholm is a stud, but he just played his first game of the playoffs. Nurse, Bouchard, Kulak, Stecher… it’s not exactly an all star blue line nor stud goalies. Is employing McDavid the reason Dallas averaged 1.5 goals per game after game 1? And it isn’t hot goaltending either. Dallas couldn’t generate much to even test Skinner with. They got completely neutralized despite having like 7 50+ point players, including 3 80+.

Edmonton became a unit and plays as one, even when McDavid isn’t on the ice, after Knob got there. He’s done a good job.

Edmonton is getting a good knob job.

It's working because it's working. LA scored 12 goals on them the in Games 1 and 2 in the 1st round, so it wasn't working. Dallas scored 6 goals in 4 games just now so it was working. Neither of those two extremes are because Kris Knoblauch did anything different. If there's a coaching technique to make guys be in the right gaps and move in synch, he should create a seminar on that, charge every team $5M for it, and quit coaching.

 

[effen]

The counterargument will be that one of the reasons the Rangers have one cup in 85 years is because they never develop enough star players from prospects themselves.

So we can joke about waiting 25 years all we want, but that's exactly what we've been doing anyways.

But then the other narrative is the Rangers ruin their prospects and don't know how to develop them so at that point do I just play Marvel Rivals or something? Take up pickleball? Why bother with this.

 

[LokiDog]

It's working because it's working. LA scored 12 goals on them the in Games 1 and 2 in the 1st round, so it wasn't working. Dallas scored 6 goals in 4 games just now so it was working. Neither of those two extremes are because Kris Knoblauch did anything different. If there's a coaching technique to make guys be in the right gaps and move in synch, he should create a seminar on that, charge every team $5M for it, and quit coaching.

It worked more than it didn’t work over the past two full seasons and post seasons. Two games of a rough start against LA doesn’t neutralize that and if you’re going to sit here and disingenuously say Edmonton hasn’t been an elite defensive team the entire past two years theres no point in discussing it. They don’t have elite goaltending or defensive personnel yet have been a smothering team defensively for two seasons. It’s not exclusively systems either. They have the same thing Florida has; top to bottom buy in. The Rangers can’t all collectively buy in under a coach through three straight coaches, going on a fourth now, recycling geriatric retreads. Knoblauch should absolutely have gotten the nod being from our system and familiar with our young roster players.

 

[effen]

Wait until the meltdowns we see here when the Rangers trade the 12th Overall pick (a 17-18 year old) for a 24-25 year old RFA. Drury sold our future!!!

He also needs to immediately trade Brennan Othmann before teams realize he's worthless, while simultaneously being patient and developing guys. I want to die.

 

[Levitate]

The team stinks 5v5 and Kreider is a chief culprit in that. He's aging and we need cap space. Same boat as Mika but less trade protection.

Up until last year Kreider has killed it at 5v5 metrics. I think the bigger reason would be he's moveable, frees up cap space, and maybe he and Drury hate each other.

 

[NYRnine94]

Did you watch the team at all last season?? Jesus, he was awful.

Yeah i did but i feel like he will rebound. I still want him moved but still, are we competing or retooling?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Yeah i did but i feel like he will rebound. I still want him moved but still, are we competing or retooling?

I would wager a guess that the goal is to compete and also retool. And they can’t retool without moving Kreider to free up money

It sucks but I think the relationship is past it’s expiration at this point

 

[haohmaru]

A generic scoring winger in Panarin's place will have at minimum 40 points due to opportunity alone. Passes that Panarin makes will be made me someone else in most cases. You're not losing 120 points and getting back 0.

The Rangers offense completely evaporates without Panarin.

 

[LokiDog]

The Rangers offense completely evaporates without Panarin.

It completely evaporated with Panarin as well. I’d rather go one season with it dried up and get quality assets into the system, which we lack, than hold him for one more season just to watch his contract expire. But the offense needs to be revamped anyway. It all coming from Panarin isn’t working, hasn’t worked and isn’t sustainable anyway. He’s 33 (?). Our 5v5 scoring is putrid and the PP has been solved. Sure, it would be an ugly season, but I’d rather we do the right thing and actually have some foresight instead of basing the decision on relying on Panarin to carry the entire thing again. We did that for 6 years. Time for something new.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Edmonton has effectively shut down LA (post game 2) Vegas and Dallas 5v5.

I'd be hard pressed not to give Knoblauch some credit in that. McDavid and Draisaitl would make anyones job easier (and Kob definitely rode a PDO wave to success last year) but Edmonton has been different this year.

It isn't just their main guys, everyone is eating. Vegas and Dallas are incredibly tough opponents to play b2b and those teams didn't look like they belonged on the ice with them.