Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[Machinehead]

I'm fine listening in on trade offers for K'Andre Miller. The Rangers already have his replacement in EJ Emery: a good athlete who shows potential but overall isn't good at hockey.

As a Freshman in college, K'Andre put up 22 points in 26 games. Emery put up 1 point in 31 games.

Miller is already more skilled than Emery ever will be barring unforseen development on the part of Emery.

I love drafting guys who produce 0.23 PPG against children. They always work out in the best league in the world.

 

[haohmaru]

re: 32 year "old" Rangers

Brent Burns, 39
Hall, 33
Andersen 35
Marchand, 36
Schmidt, 33
Nosek, 32
Kulikov, 34
Benn, 35
Granlund, 32
Seguin, 33
Duchene, 34
Dadonov, 35
Petrovic, 32
Bobrovsky, 36
Staal, 36
Orlov, 33
Martinook, 32
Corey Perry, 39
Zach Hyman, 32
Henrique, 34
Evander Kane, 33
Janmark, 32

All still in the playoffs and starters for teams in the final 4. Half of them will be in the Final. Another half will win the Cup

That's 22 32+ year old players on 4 teams. Maybe you need a few of those to win a Cup.

 

[rangers1314]

As a Freshman in college, K'Andre put up 22 points in 26 games. Emery put up 1 point in 31 games.

Miller is already more skilled than Emery ever will be barring unforseen development on the part of Emery.

I love drafting guys who produce 0.23 PPG against children. They always work out in the best league in the world.

I get it, but this was 30th overall. It’s a crapshoot.

Let’s see where he is in 2 years.

 

[Guyute]

If EJ Emery can actually defend, unlike KAM, then I’m more than happy to have him on the third pair despite his lack of offense. Like it or not, not every defenseman on your team can be a Fox or Karlsson for both financial and roster composition reasons.

 

[Machinehead]

If EJ Emery can actually defend, unlike KAM, then I’m more than happy to have him on the third pair despite his lack of offense. Like it or not, not every defenseman on your team can be a Fox or Karlsson for both financial and roster composition reasons.

I have concerns about him even being Carson Soucy and you're talking about Fox and Karlsson.

 

[Guyute]

I have concerns about him even being Carson Soucy and you're talking about Fox and Karlsson.

You would have said the same thing about McDonagh and Skjei after their respective freshman years. Simply looking at a freshman D’s stat line is the epitome of laziness.

 

[Machinehead]

You would have said the same thing about McDonagh and Skjei after their respective freshman years. Simply looking at a freshman D’s stat line is the epitome of laziness.

They were at least productive in u18!

It's not lazy analysis to bring up production. Not having some level of concern over a prospect that can't produce at all, at levels well below the NHL, is galaxy brained.

It's nuance for the sake of nuance while ignoring any substance.

 

[Alluckks]

1 point in 31 games is genuinely astounding. Like, you didn't even pass it from the D zone to neutral zone that led to a goal a pass later?

The team scored 120 goals in 38 total games.

But it isn't like he was hardly playing, found an article that said after the first 11 games he was leading all rookies in the league in ice time, averaging over 21 minutes per game.

Get to know UND freshman defenseman E.J. Emery

Emery is averaging more time on ice than any NCHC rookie.

www.grandforksherald.com

Do you know what kind of defense is always really useful in today's NHL? A guy who can retrieve the puck and move it out of the zone efficiently.

 

[Guyute]

They were at least productive in u18!

It's not lazy analysis to bring up production. Not having some level of concern over a prospect that can't produce at all, at levels well below the NHL, is galaxy brained.

It's nuance for the sake of nuance while ignoring any substance.

Yes, and McDonagh and Skjei turned out to be productive in the NHL. It’s perfectly fine for a 30th overall pick to be a Hjarlmarsson or prime Staal and be a very effective player.

Should there be some concern about Emery’s lack of production? Maybe. But offensive dynamo was never in his scouting report from day 1. We’ll see how he does next year and in the WJC.

 

[JohnC]

You would have said the same thing about McDonagh and Skjei after their respective freshman years. Simply looking at a freshman D’s stat line is the epitome of laziness.

Pretty lazy. I have no real opinion of Emery since I don't follow prospects pretty much at all anymore, but it's super easy to look at the stat lines:

Emery

Skjei

You'll have to forgive me if I'm not creaming myself over Skjei's .073 (USHL) and .085 (NCAA) advantage in PPGs

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The problem is we don’t go for the upside, ever , especially on D. Yeah sure we can consider a 2nd pair defensive d man at 30 a success but there are so many superstar d men who were taken in the 2nd or later and we never find guys like that , because we don’t even try

 

[duhmetreE]

If EJ Emery can actually defend, unlike KAM, then I’m more than happy to have him on the third pair despite his lack of offense. Like it or not, not every defenseman on your team can be a Fox or Karlsson for both financial and roster composition reasons.

if only ADA was a LHD…. Perfect pairing

 

[MrAlmost]

Im not too concerned with Emery's production. By all accounts he played well and from what I saw, which was admittedly little, he looked fine for an 18 year old against NCAA players. That said 1 official goal in 3 years is crazy. Haha

More importantly, I would like to know if he logged that much ice time as a rookie cause he was driving play out of the zone for his team, or was he getting hemmed in the D zone and getting stuck on the ice? 2 very different things and as we know, the Rangers think good defense is doing it all game long. Haha

 

[n8]

The trade that makes sense is one of Lafreniere + Schneider for Peterka + Byram/Power

The Rangers get a LD and a winger they like who they won't have an issue re-signing like Buffalo may

The Sabres get a RD and a winger they like and who is signed long term.

Wouldn't it be something though to see them add in McLeod and the Rangers add in something on their end?

I just don't get why Buffalo would pay Laf's salary for a relative-to-JJP unproven player.
Can they not sign JJP to the $7,450,000 AAV Laf currently has? If not, how much over are we talking about and is that money worth the risk of Laf peaking as a 60 point player?

Granted, we could extend JJP and he could contract a case of severe Ranger-Country-Clubitis
Also, we aren't getting Byram/Power without adding. I prefer to keep our players over forking over additional assets.

 

[n8]

Shouldn't that description make Emery the replacement for Schneider? Especially since he's also a RHD.

I mean if you are all-in on Borgen, yeah. But are you all-in on Borgen?

 

[Alluckks]

I just don't get why Buffalo would pay Laf's salary for a relative-to-JJP unproven player.
Can they not sign JJP to the $7,450,000 AAV Laf currently has? If not, how much over are we talking about and is that money worth the risk of Laf peaking as a 60 point player?

Granted, we could extend JJP and he could contract a case of severe Ranger-Country-Clubitis
Also, we aren't getting Byram/Power without adding. I prefer to keep our players over forking over additional assets.

The premise is that JPP doesn't want to re-sign there long term and wants out, which could be an issue if a guy is constantly just pushing arbitration, threatening to or actually signing an offer sheet, and bolting first chance he gets.

Laf is under team control long term.

The biggest hold up to any deal being completed between Buffalo and the Rangers is Buffalo ownership. Pegula is a clown, very dumb, has a giant ego, and meddles all the time. Pegula doesn't want to trade with the Rangers, he doesn't want them getting his players and doing better, he doesn't want to think he looks like a fool.

 

[Machinehead]

1 point in 31 games is genuinely astounding. Like, you didn't even pass it from the D zone to neutral zone that led to a goal a pass later?

The team scored 120 goals in 38 total games.

But it isn't like he was hardly playing, found an article that said after the first 11 games he was leading all rookies in the league in ice time, averaging over 21 minutes per game.

Get to know UND freshman defenseman E.J. Emery

Emery is averaging more time on ice than any NCHC rookie.

www.grandforksherald.com

Do you know what kind of defense is always really useful in today's NHL? A guy who can retrieve the pick and move it out of the zone efficiently.

People who can defend sometimes score because their team has the puck. What a concept.

Also, I love how we casually bring up Skjei like Sjkei is good.

He's one of the most unreliable defensemen of the past generation. He's a different player from year to year.

 

[Machinehead]

The problem is we don’t go for the upside, ever , especially on D. Yeah sure we can consider a 2nd pair defensive d man at 30 a success but there are so many superstar d men who were taken in the 2nd or later and we never find guys like that , because we don’t even try

Whatever the f*** the good Hutson's name is...he was on the board.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

1 point in 31 games is genuinely astounding. Like, you didn't even pass it from the D zone to neutral zone that led to a goal a pass later?

The team scored 120 goals in 38 total games.

But it isn't like he was hardly playing, found an article that said after the first 11 games he was leading all rookies in the league in ice time, averaging over 21 minutes per game.

Get to know UND freshman defenseman E.J. Emery

Emery is averaging more time on ice than any NCHC rookie.

www.grandforksherald.com

Do you know what kind of defense is always really useful in today's NHL? A guy who can retrieve the puck and move it out of the zone efficiently.

This + Othmann not even having a goal deflect in off his skate blade in 22 games is pretty astounding.

 

[Alluckks]

People who can defend sometimes score because their team has the puck. What a concept.

Also, I love how we casually bring up Skjei like Sjkei is good.

He's one of the most unreliable defensemen of the past generation. He's a different player from year to year.

Skjei had the best play of his career in Carolina where it is a system built on forwards contributing to checking in all parts of the ice, and then when they get the puck they fire on net as quickly as possible. That mitigates some deficiencies of players like Skjei and even props up guys with some extra points. Carolina was also a good team the whole time he was there, which helps a lot. He sucks ass in Nashville.

So, if Emery can be like Skjei, then that means he could be a passenger on a 2nd pair in a solid system? I mean, not the worst thing in the world. But, you're basically saying you want him to become a better skating Will Borgen with a worse shot.

 

[Machinehead]

This + Othmann not even having a goal deflect in off his skate blade in 22 games is pretty astounding.

I hate it here

 

[UnSandvich]

Emery is gonna end up as Ryan Lindgren without the grit, and people are going to wonder why we spend every shift he takes in the D Zone

 

[Mugless]

Emery is gonna end up as Ryan Lindgren without the grit, and people are going to wonder why we spend every shift he takes in the D Zone

I think Emery turns into Girardi.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If EJ Emery can actually defend, unlike KAM, then I’m more than happy to have him on the third pair despite his lack of offense. Like it or not, not every defenseman on your team can be a Fox or Karlsson for both financial and roster composition reasons.

Can he defend in the AHl? Nobody even knows that yet. There's been a laundry list of players everyone on here keeps talking about being the next one that never end up able to play at the NHL level. I dont think you go into the season with that as your starting option and I'm doubtful it's what's best for Emery either.

 

[n8]

The premise is that JPP doesn't want to re-sign there long term and wants out, which could be an issue if a guy is constantly just pushing arbitration, threatening to or actually signing an offer sheet, and bolting first chance he gets.

Laf is under team control long term.

The biggest hold up to any deal being completed between Buffalo and the Rangers is Buffalo ownership. Pegula is a clown, very dumb, has a giant ego, and meddles all the time. Pegula doesn't want to trade with the Rangers, he doesn't want them getting his players and doing better, he doesn't want to think he looks like a fool.

Fixed:
The biggest hold up to any deal being completed between Buffalo and the Rangers is Rangers ownership. Dolan is a clown, very dumb, has a giant ego, and meddles all the time. Dolan doesn't want to trade with the Sabres, he doesn't want them getting his players and doing better, he doesn't want to think he looks like a fool.