Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Leonardo87]

For those who want Zegras, you will be throwing him under the bus after 20 games if he is traded here. He doesn’t fit this team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just remember that part so vividly, I legitimately thought it would come out Olberman has dementia shortly after. Turns out he just has terrible person disorder, like Lenny Dykstra.

Yeah it’s a shitty thing to do and I’m never going to defend anything that Olberman says/does.

Being a Joe Pa era PSU apologist is beyond the lowest though. That guy deserved so much worse.

OT as hell I know, but it’s just one of the situations I have a little bit more insight into than the regular person and it’s more disgusting than people really know.

 

[NYR Viper]

For those who want Zegras, you will be throwing him under the bus after 20 games if he is traded here. He doesn’t fit this team.

There’s going to be a contract coming back if Panarin is traded. Moving Panarin leaves a large skill loss no matter what. I’m at least intrigued to see him outside of Anaheim.

 

[SA16]

USA wins it's first WC gold in 92 years

Amazing how much stronger the WC defense was without Fox on the team than the Olympic defense was with him, even in a sheltered role.

 

[NickyFotiu]

For those who want Zegras, you will be throwing him under the bus after 20 games if he is traded here. He doesn’t fit this team.

I think the bigger concern is does he fit last years team too well?

 

[NYR Viper]

Amazing how much stronger the WC defense was without Fox on the team than the Olympic defense was with him, even in a sheltered role.

The teams the US team faced in the WC was nowhere close to the team the US played twice with Canada.

 

[Leonardo87]

There’s going to be a contract coming back if Panarin is traded. Moving Panarin leaves a large skill loss no matter what. I’m at least intrigued to see him outside of Anaheim.

I’m curious what he does under Quennville. Cronin killed his offense, and he wasn’t that better on defense.

 

[Levitate]

Is that why he brought in Kane and Tarasenkp against Gallant's wishes ? Gallant let him know about those moves before the playoffs started over dinner when Gallant informed him they would not stand up for one another.....and he was absolutely right ...Gallant that is . They should have kept him and deleted a few guys and we might have had a Cup by now . Remember...Turk took an expansion club without big star talent into the Cup Finals.....

and then got fired for arguing with management. I think Gallant has his plusses but for as much as he apparently bitched about the team he also apparently wasn't willing to do shit about the room and "let the players run it" and apparently would rather be coach/manager than have a general manager making decisions he doesn't get full control of

 

[NYR2007]

Watching the Florida Panthers playoff series is making me realize that the Rangers are never gonna win a Stanley Cup. They are so far from even competing with Florida’s third and fourth line.

 

[NickyFotiu]

and then got fired for arguing with management. I think Gallant has his plusses but for as much as he apparently bitched about the team he also apparently wasn't willing to do shit about the room and "let the players run it" and apparently would rather be coach/manager than have a general manager making decisions he doesn't get full control of

Gallant had 110 and 107 points in his 2 years as coach. I know people will bash him but I don't know many coaches that get fired with that record.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think the moves the Rangers make will depend on how the new coaching staff plans to utilize Zib. Do they see him as a RW going forward or a center? The below is based on the Rangers trading Kreider while either retaining or taking back a $2M contract while Perreault starts in the AHL. That would put the Rangers at about $14M in cap space with 17 players (10F, 5D and 2G), with out any major moves yet.

Rangers re-signings: Cuylle 5 years $5M AAV, K. Miller 4 years $4.5M AAV, Rempe 2 years $1M AAV, Edstrom 3 years $1.25M AAV.

Kalyiev and Jones traded.

Roster: 21 players (13F, 6D, 2G) about $2.25M in cap space.

Zib Center scenario:

Cuylle - Miller - Laff
Panarin - Zib - XXXX
Parssinen - Trocheck - Othmann/Berard
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Soucy - Vaak
XXXX

Need a top 6 RW. Even moving Schneider to the left, the LD isn't very strong.

Zib as RW:

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Berard - Parssinen - Othman
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Same D as above.

Same D problems, third line has a tone of question marks.

What do you do to fill those holes? Probably the move that would create a large scoring void but give the Rangers the cap space to reallocate is Panarin. I dont think you have to retain on him and you will get a young player to either fill his spot on the LW or one of the other holes. Use that extra cap space wisely on UFAs.

Let's say the trade Panarin to the Wild. Return could look like Rossi (re-signed 6 years $5.5M), Hartman ($1M retained) and Yurov. Rangers would have around $5.25M in cap space (Yurov and one of Brodz/Berard/Othmann would go down to the AHL

On offense you would have (depending on how Zib is used):

Rossi - Miller - Zib
Cuylle - Trocheck - Laff
Parsinnen - Hartman - Othmann
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Use about $4-$4.5M on a LD, let's say Orlov signs a 2 year $3.5M deal.

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Orlov - Soucy
Vaak

 

[Levitate]

Gallant had 110 and 107 points in his 2 years as coach. I know people will bash him but I don't know many coaches that get fired with that record.

Yup and he got fired from Vegas only a few years after taking them to the finals and from Florida after taking them to first in their division...

Like I said he's got his pluses but he'd probably have stuck around some places longer if not for his downsides as well.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Watching the Florida Panthers playoff series is making me realize that the Rangers are never gonna win a Stanley Cup. They are so far from even competing with Florida’s third and fourth line.

It’s been a black pill kind of season

 

[IDvsEGO]

Thanks for clearing that up. Without any backing I will look at it as opinion. Its hard to know what is fact and what isn't on HF. Like is Zibs really even a vegetarian? If I remember correctly the Kane to NY rumors were out there a long time.

I can understand that pov. But think about all the cap gymnastics that had to happen. Including playing shorthanded and multiple paper transactions with schneider.
If Drury had planned to do it, he would've held enough cap to do it.
it seemed a very last minute move, and Drury has been solid on the cap management to pull off trades.

 

[Kendo]

He has his strengths which anyone can use but all the things that people complain about with the NYR defense are traits that Byram has in spades.

A 2nd for Rempe would be a f***ing gigantic win for the NYR.

Miller is frustrating, but still has tremendous upside. Byram is similar in that, but I would still be willing to have both.

The main thing *I* complain about is the lack of talent on the backend. Bo would help there.

If someone offers Rempe $3m, it would be a win to get a 2nd back for him. I like him and would miss him, but a 2nd is a pretty big win.

Whoever said let him go if someone offers $1.something (with zero compensation) is just a silly pants.

My question was has he drafted a player outside of Perrault who has the potential to be a highly skilled offensive player.

Highly skilled offensive players aren't available where Emery went unless they come with big bust potential.

They generally aren't available where Gabe went, but we got one.

You wanted more offensive upside than Othmann, which is more of a fair critique than "He has never drafted one, except for the time he did." Drury has only had two opportunities, and one time went for "character" instead when you disagreed. That would be fair if presented as such.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I can understand that pov. But think about all the cap gymnastics that had to happen. Including playing shorthanded and multiple paper transactions with schneider.
If Drury had planned to do it, he would've held enough cap to do it.
it seemed a very last minute move, and Drury has been solid on the cap management to pull off trades.

I understand your point of view as well. I just have to look at it as a theory since we don't have anything concrete involving Dolan. I didn't remember it as last minute though. Even the media (Brooks) was speaking about how the team would have to manipulate the cap to add Kane for a month.

 

[bobbop]

i think hes a douche but calling Dolan the Nero of owners is hilarious

You’re exactly right. Olbermann is a douche

 

[IDvsEGO]

I understand your point of view as well. I just have to look at it as a theory since we don't have anything concrete involving Dolan. I didn't remember it as last minute though. Even the media (Brooks) was speaking about how the team would have to manipulate the cap to add Kane for a month.

we pulled off the move for Tarasenko + Mikkola very early. I think Feb. We were then fairly tight against the cap. We then had to "send" schneider down to HFD on off days, we went short handed because of it when I think Lindgren got hurt and the league wouldn't let us do an emergency call up. We had to move Kratsov (which NBD because he was doing jack shit). But the team was humming. We had 3 deep scoring lines. We had 6 defenseman.
Think about this, Drury pulls the trigger in Feb for tarasenko, if the plan is go after Kane, then you leave yourself enough room to grab him. But it wasn't until Kane actually said anything publicly that we started doing the paper transactions.

Brooks is Brooks, he's the rangers version of Yellow Journalism. I still think he screamed it so loud that Dolan heard.

 

[NYRnine94]

Is there anything saying Dolan pushed for Kane or is it just internet rumor? I remember years ago Dolan was on FAN and said he was much more involved with the Knicks than with the Rangers. This was back in the Sator days.

It was so obvious Dolan was involved. Even someone like Dolan knows who Patrick Kane is. The trade was so awkward and it was such a bad fit. We had to make roster moves to fit him in or something iirc, it was a mess and the team looked awful with him. Didn't we add Tarasenko and Mikkola that year? That should have been it, Kane killed the chemistry

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Is that why he brought in Kane and Tarasenkp against Gallant's wishes ? Gallant let him know about those moves before the playoffs started over dinner when Gallant informed him they would not stand up for one another.....and he was absolutely right ...Gallant that is . They should have kept him and deleted a few guys and we might have had a Cup by now . Remember...Turk took an expansion club without big star talent into the Cup Finals.....

When was this revealed and by who?

 

[NYRnine94]

I think the moves the Rangers make will depend on how the new coaching staff plans to utilize Zib. Do they see him as a RW going forward or a center? The below is based on the Rangers trading Kreider while either retaining or taking back a $2M contract while Perreault starts in the AHL. That would put the Rangers at about $14M in cap space with 17 players (10F, 5D and 2G), with out any major moves yet.

Rangers re-signings: Cuylle 5 years $5M AAV, K. Miller 4 years $4.5M AAV, Rempe 2 years $1M AAV, Edstrom 3 years $1.25M AAV.

Kalyiev and Jones traded.

Roster: 21 players (13F, 6D, 2G) about $2.25M in cap space.

Zib Center scenario:

Cuylle - Miller - Laff
Panarin - Zib - XXXX
Parssinen - Trocheck - Othmann/Berard
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Soucy - Vaak
XXXX

Need a top 6 RW. Even moving Schneider to the left, the LD isn't very strong.

Zib as RW:

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Berard - Parssinen - Othman
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Same D as above.

Same D problems, third line has a tone of question marks.

What do you do to fill those holes? Probably the move that would create a large scoring void but give the Rangers the cap space to reallocate is Panarin. I dont think you have to retain on him and you will get a young player to either fill his spot on the LW or one of the other holes. Use that extra cap space wisely on UFAs.

Let's say the trade Panarin to the Wild. Return could look like Rossi (re-signed 6 years $5.5M), Hartman ($1M retained) and Yurov. Rangers would have around $5.25M in cap space (Yurov and one of Brodz/Berard/Othmann would go down to the AHL

On offense you would have (depending on how Zib is used):

Rossi - Miller - Zib
Cuylle - Trocheck - Laff
Parsinnen - Hartman - Othmann
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Use about $4-$4.5M on a LD, let's say Orlov signs a 2 year $3.5M deal.

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Orlov - Soucy
Vaak

I feel like Miller-Zib-Trocheck is the way to go at center. I also feel like it would be easier getting a RW than a good 3C. At least with that center lineup, we would be deep and we can always mix and match during the game. Then you just fill in the wings.

 

[mike14]

When was this revealed and by who?

I think we may be mixing rumors.
A few weeks back someone on here (sorry, I've forgotten who) posted that they had been told by a minor league scout (or something) that Dolan took GG and someone else out to dinner prior to the NJD playoff series, and when Dolan asked what the expectations were GG responded that he shouldn't have any because the team were all wusses who wouldn't stand up for each other.

I think this may have then been overlaid with the Drury/GG screaming match after Game 4 of that series and muddled to the point where it's now Drury and Gallant going for dinner and getting into an argument

 

[NYRnine94]

I think we may be mixing rumors.
A few weeks back someone on here (sorry, I've forgotten who) posted that they had been told by a minor league scout (or something) that Dolan took GG and someone else out to dinner prior to the NJD playoff series, and when Dolan asked what the expectations were GG responded that he shouldn't have any because the team were all wusses who wouldn't stand up for each other.

I think this may have then been overlaid with the Drury/GG screaming match after Game 4 of that series and muddled to the point where it's now Drury and Gallant going for dinner and getting into an argument

Gallant was a clown but he wasn't wrong

 

[mike14]

Gallant was a clown but he wasn't wrong

Assuming it actually even occurred, in hindsight no he certainly wasn't wrong.
Although Kane and Tarasenko did have about 20% of our total point between them

 

[NYR Viper]

I think the moves the Rangers make will depend on how the new coaching staff plans to utilize Zib. Do they see him as a RW going forward or a center? The below is based on the Rangers trading Kreider while either retaining or taking back a $2M contract while Perreault starts in the AHL. That would put the Rangers at about $14M in cap space with 17 players (10F, 5D and 2G), with out any major moves yet.

Rangers re-signings: Cuylle 5 years $5M AAV, K. Miller 4 years $4.5M AAV, Rempe 2 years $1M AAV, Edstrom 3 years $1.25M AAV.

Kalyiev and Jones traded.

Roster: 21 players (13F, 6D, 2G) about $2.25M in cap space.

Zib Center scenario:

Cuylle - Miller - Laff
Panarin - Zib - XXXX
Parssinen - Trocheck - Othmann/Berard
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Soucy - Vaak
XXXX

Need a top 6 RW. Even moving Schneider to the left, the LD isn't very strong.

Zib as RW:

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Berard - Parssinen - Othman
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Same D as above.

Same D problems, third line has a tone of question marks.

What do you do to fill those holes? Probably the move that would create a large scoring void but give the Rangers the cap space to reallocate is Panarin. I dont think you have to retain on him and you will get a young player to either fill his spot on the LW or one of the other holes. Use that extra cap space wisely on UFAs.

Let's say the trade Panarin to the Wild. Return could look like Rossi (re-signed 6 years $5.5M), Hartman ($1M retained) and Yurov. Rangers would have around $5.25M in cap space (Yurov and one of Brodz/Berard/Othmann would go down to the AHL

On offense you would have (depending on how Zib is used):

Rossi - Miller - Zib
Cuylle - Trocheck - Laff
Parsinnen - Hartman - Othmann
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Use about $4-$4.5M on a LD, let's say Orlov signs a 2 year $3.5M deal.

Miller - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Orlov - Soucy
Vaak

Zibanejad at center for sure solves a lot of concerns but I’m not sure he is effective there