Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[UAGoalieGuy]

I do think Soucy gets a bad wrap. If he's playing on the 3rd pair and up to 2nd pair in a pinch he will greatly help the teams defensive depth. Ideally paired with Borgen and Vaak being the 7th D.

I am very interested in seeing a healthy Schneider. That is the main reason I don't see the Rangers trading him. In my personal opinion I think he takes a leap forward and locks down the 2nd pair RD.

The big question as most have brought up, what do they do with Key? I personally think adding a rock as 1LD will help him big time along with the tone that Sullivan (hopefully) sets.

 

[NYRKing]

Looking at the notable FA’s I can’t see a fit with any of them considering the current roster.

I’m sure we will trade half our roster at the draft per everyone on HF to change the course and take a big swing.

 

[bleedblue94]

Both team wanted to make sure that Rantanen would sign long term with them. HE picked Dallas over Toronto

This is not true.

Marner wouldn't waive his nmc to allow the trade. It never got to the point that rantanen chose anything in that situation. He was willing to sign in Toronto or Dallas, Dallas was willing to trade the pieces to get a deal done, leafs didn't have the trade bc marner wouldn't waive. Rantanen agreed to an extension with Dallas AFTER the trade was agreed to (but not submitted), after they knew there was a contract agreement the trade was submitted and executed.

 

[bleedblue94]

Looking at the notable FA’s I can’t see a fit with any of them considering the current roster.

I’m sure we will trade half our roster at the draft per everyone on HF to change the course and take a big swing.

Nyr would be wise to avoid this summer ufas and target trades for potential 26 ufas that will not be resigning. Don't want to hear the same old "why trade for a player your can sign for free in a year" bc more and more those players won't make it to UFA without aggressive teams going after them prior to UFA status.

 

[LokiDog]

Byram is being shopped actively now. I have a strong feeling that rather go with an older, more expensive FA Drury will roll the dice on Byram. Both he and Miller still have high potential ceilings, yet untapped, that maybe Sullivan and a new D coach can coax out of them. Byram has skill and mobility to compliment Fox. At worst he’s a much more talented Lindgren-ish partner, at best he’s in a similar position to pre-trade Bennett in years passed. I would be open to taking that gamble.

The upside is higher than the risk, IMO. He’s the type of puck rushing, big shooting D with speed we haven’t had as well; the type of change we’re looking for. Not saying he’s in the tier of Dahlin or Makar but he’s always been behind one of them, and most teams only have one of them. If you let him “play” that role on a team that doesn’t already have the elite version of that, he could look really good AND since Fox isn’t a speedy puck rushing D, letting Byram play that role actually gives us a new look to a stale offense. While Fox is as much a 1D as Makar or Dahlin, he is a more cerebral, less mobile rover type which means Byram can play the role for a change. I think he’s got the most chance of being a home run out of any Gavrikov, Provorov, etc. type of option.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider for Byram? Buff gets the veteran leadership they crave and if Chris vetoes it he gets waived and goes to Buffalo anyway. Stop clutching your pearls.

 

[NYR Viper]

The more I think about a Panarin to Anaheim potential trade, the more it makes sense to me in so many ways.

Panarin has chemistry with Strome.

Trouba knows Panarin and I’m sure would vouch for him.

Panarin is likely looking for an extension somewhere. Anaheim would be a good spot for him. Young up and coming team. Lots of talent.

Quenneville was brought in to help get them over the hump. He has familiarity with Panarin.

Anaheim is in a weird spot with Zegras. He’s making $5.75m this year and then is a RFA. He has struggled to find a spot after his 60 point campaign there a couple of years ago. He’s bounced from wing to center and back and he has dealt with some injuries. His next contract could be troublesome if he has a mediocre season AND he doesn’t feel that he’s been put in a position to succeed. His QO would be very high and the team would either need to take it or walk making him a UFA.

Verbeek has stated he wants the team to compete for a playoff spot next year.

Anaheim has ample cap room.

They have Lacombe and Zellweger at LD already, two younger players who can really move the puck well. Mintyukov struggled this past year and has kind of been leapfrogged by those guys.

Would Verbeek consider trading Mintyukov + Zegras for Panarin? Verbeek and Drury consummated a large in season deal last year. That was a difficult deal to specifically in season. They are clearly comfortable with each other.

Zegras could come in and either play center or move to LW. Let him play with Miller and Zibanejad on the top line or play him at center with Lafreniere and Cuylle. Give him a real shot to prove what he is.

Mintyukov is a gambler but man would he add some excitement to the back end moving forward.

 

[Alluckks]

Byram is being shopped actively now. I have a strong feeling that rather go with an older, more expensive FA Drury will roll the dice on Byram. Both he and Miller still have high potential ceilings, yet untapped, that maybe Sullivan and a new D coach can coax out of them. Byram has skill and mobility to compliment Fox. At worst he’s a much more talented Lindgren-ish partner, at best he’s in a similar position to pre-trade Bennett in years passed. I would be open to taking that gamble.

The upside is higher than the risk, IMO. He’s the type of puck rushing, big shooting D with speed we haven’t had as well; the type of change we’re looking for. Not saying he’s in the tier of Dahlin or Makar but he’s always been behind one of them, and most teams only have one of them. If you let him “play” that role on a team that doesn’t already have the elite version of that, he could look really good AND since Fox isn’t a speedy puck rushing D, letting Byram play that role actually gives us a new look to a stale offense. While Fox is as much a 1D as Makar or Dahlin, he is a more cerebral, less mobile rover type which means Byram can play the role for a change. I think he’s got the most chance of being a home run out of any Gavrikov, Provorov, etc. type of option.

They want RD to try to find a top pairing partner for Dahlin. They can't get a top end young RD via trade, those just don't come up. What they can do is try to trade for a guy that they think can become that. Schneider + makes sense as a starting point there.

I'd also wonder if the Rangers revisit some Peterka stuff. There was way too much smoke there at the TDL for it to be nothing.

Buffalo's issue is having guys with term beyond their early year deals. They are going to struggle with Peterka with that already. He doesn't want to be there. Lafreniere could be there for 7 years through his prime whether he likes it or not.

Rangers also have plenty of enticing hard working bottom.middle 6 prospects. Sykora, Othmann, Berard, Edstrom.

 

[NYR Viper]

Byram is being shopped actively now. I have a strong feeling that rather go with an older, more expensive FA Drury will roll the dice on Byram. Both he and Miller still have high potential ceilings, yet untapped, that maybe Sullivan and a new D coach can coax out of them. Byram has skill and mobility to compliment Fox. At worst he’s a much more talented Lindgren-ish partner, at best he’s in a similar position to pre-trade Bennett in years passed. I would be open to taking that gamble.

The upside is higher than the risk, IMO. He’s the type of puck rushing, big shooting D with speed we haven’t had as well; the type of change we’re looking for. Not saying he’s in the tier of Dahlin or Makar but he’s always been behind one of them, and most teams only have one of them. If you let him “play” that role on a team that doesn’t already have the elite version of that, he could look really good AND since Fox isn’t a speedy puck rushing D, letting Byram play that role actually gives us a new look to a stale offense. While Fox is as much a 1D as Makar or Dahlin, he is a more cerebral, less mobile rover type which means Byram can play the role for a change. I think he’s got the most chance of being a home run out of any Gavrikov, Provorov, etc. type of option.

It depends on the cost and what type of contract he’s looking for. He could be Chychrun and break out or he could turn in to an anchor like Nurse. If he’s reasonably cheap to acquire, okay. If he’s not, I’d pass.

 

[noncents]

panarin for zegras and mintyukov is a coup imo

 

[LokiDog]

It depends on the cost and what type of contract he’s looking for. He could be Chychrun and break out or he could turn in to an anchor like Nurse. If he’s reasonably cheap to acquire, okay. If he’s not, I’d pass.

I don’t think he’s getting close to a Nurse contract. He’ll be Chychrun on his last contract inflated for the current cap, but I doubt he gets anything near the equivalent of what Nurse got. He’ll probably look for 2-3 years to prove he can be more of “the guy” and look to cash in on 7-8 years after. Cost of acquisition is a different story. I would like to have all of Byram, Miller and Schneider but moving from a position of strength for a potentially higher ceiling position of weakness is a price I’m willing to stomach.

Gavrikov and Provorov will likely get richer contracts, and neither has the upside Byram does. Gavrikov is just a different player - of course - and great defensively and I’d love to have both if we decide to move Miller elsewhere and acquire Byram instead. Lots of shuffling in that case but I see moving the puck and changing a stale offensive look up to be as much of a need as a D like Gavrikov. If Byram were to breakout, there’s no reason he and Fox wouldn’t be formidable in both ends and eat up 25 minutes. Who knows. I like the player and the upside. I think being THE puck rushing D is the role for him. In Buffalo he played as the more defensive partner on a pair with Dahlin a lot, with Ras on the right. I’d like to see Byram be the rover since he moves better than Fox. Fox is in the play in the O-zone, Byram is the guy who goes end to end. We don’t have that on D.

To be clear though, I wouldn’t be advocating for THAT specifically if I didn’t think the player in question genuinely had 4OA #1B-2D upside. I don’t want a puck rushing liability, but as with Bennett in the past, I think Byram will end up hitting much closer to his projected potential, albeit later than initially hoped.

 

[Kendo]

The problem I have is a lot of people looking for a new D to replace Miller. We should be looking for a new D to add to Miller.

If one more person suggests Soucy-Borgen as a long-term top 4 pair, I'm gonna drink cyanide.

"They were good in Seattle!" So was Kurt Cobain and he's dead.

I'm completely on board with adding a LD to Miller and not "replacing him."

If anyone is vying for Soucy past this coming season, then I dunno what to tell them. That's crazy pants.

He didn't score many points, he didn't look great, but his metrics weren't that bad.

I don't have faith that a Soucy-Borgen pair will solidify our D for a whole season. I can, however, see the idea "on paper," of what Drury is going for. It just smells like what an expansion team without a Fox would do. "Getting by, not getting high."

I don't love it. It's a functional band-aid that we should upgrade from in December, next March, or the following July. He's expiring, so even if no one wants him, we could waive him and still upgrade his position in-season.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Cam and strick podcast sharing that nyr pr shutdown a guest to their podcast. Nyr pr at it again...

I'm fairly certain it was JT

What's next the PR demanding the players skip lunch to be ready to go by training camp. Do other teams do this as much as the Rangers? This is ridiculous

 

[RangersFan1994]

They want RD to try to find a top pairing partner for Dahlin. They can't get a top end young RD via trade, those just don't come up. What they can do is try to trade for a guy that they think can become that. Schneider + makes sense as a starting point there.

I'd also wonder if the Rangers revisit some Peterka stuff. There was way too much smoke there at the TDL for it to be nothing.

Buffalo's issue is having guys with term beyond their early year deals. They are going to struggle with Peterka with that already. He doesn't want to be there. Lafreniere could be there for 7 years through his prime whether he likes it or not.

Rangers also have plenty of enticing hard working bottom.middle 6 prospects. Sykora, Othmann, Berard, Edstrom.

Can't see Sabres dealing Peterka. Although the hockey world shocked us all with trades in the past.
I wonder if the Rangers would have interest in Benson and Krebs. Tenacious forwards that forcheck fits Sullivan's system.

 

[NYRnine94]

Whatever happens, i would like to see a few more younger players added to this team. I have a weird feeling that we run it back since it's Panarin's last year but if we do, i want to see the young guys take the team over. Tired of seeing the same old core fail, let the young guys take the team over and change the culture. I'd prefer to see a total house cleaning but the Rangers don't work that way. I'd love to get a Rossi, McTavish, or another good young forward on this team. A center would be nice but i'm not sure what deals are out there.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I wish there could be a deal worked out for Byram and Peterka I just don't see something lining up. I strongly believe Buffalo would be on Kreiders NTC list.

Possibly Laff, Othmann and a pick for Byram and Peterka. Kreider dealt to a team for prospects/picks? Kick the tires on Marchand and see if he'd take a 1 year deal.

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Peterka
Marchand - Parssinen - Perreault (if ready)
Carrick - Edstrom - Rempe

Byram - Fox
Miller - Borgen/Schneider
Soucy - Schneider/Borgen
Vaak

 

[NYRnine94]

Something that worries me is Sullivan. I like the hire and i like the coach but in his press conference, he mentioned leadership and having character in the locker room. Anybody who watched this team knows that was lacking with this team for who knows how long. I guess he can't come out and say "well these guys are all sacks of shit when it comes to the leadership department" so it makes sense i guess. I just hope Sullivan is here to build a culture and not to just kiss their ass like the last few coaches did. I can't see that again.

Idk, i don't really want to see them "run it back" with these guys. I miss making the playoffs and whether you believed we can win it all or not, it's exciting and fun but at the same time, we already know how it ends with these guys and do we really want to see another year of this shit? I have a weird feeling they run it back and take one last shot with Panarin and i don't think it's the right move.

Sure the East sucks but we kinda suck too. This season was full of embarassing bullshit drama and you trust the same guys to just come out and win? It makes no sense trading Kreider and keeping Panarin right? Kreider probably rebounds if healthy so you're losing at least 25-30 goals with good special teams but if you trade him and keep Panarin, you're short a 30 goal scorer now but keeping Panarin means you want to win? Trade Panarin and you're definitely not winning this year. Just such a weird place to be in and hopefully Drury has a plan because this shit is weird

 

[NYRnine94]

I wish there could be a deal worked out for Byram and Peterka I just don't see something lining up. I strongly believe Buffalo would be on Kreiders NTC list.

Possibly Laff, Othmann and a pick for Byram and Peterka. Kreider dealt to a team for prospects/picks? Kick the tires on Marchand and see if he'd take a 1 year deal.

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Peterka
Marchand - Parssinen - Perreault (if ready)
Carrick - Edstrom - Rempe

Byram - Fox
Miller - Borgen/Schneider
Soucy - Schneider/Borgen
Vaak

Solid team. I feel like Parssinen can be something for us. Big kid and young too. Maybe he becomes a homerun for us? Would be nice to grab a young center that nobody really cared about and he turns out to be a core guy for us

 

[bleedblue94]

Trouba knows Panarin and I’m sure would vouch for him.

I would stop right here and drop this idea...

 

[bleedblue94]

What's next the PR demanding the players skip lunch to be ready to go by training camp. Do other teams do this as much as the Rangers? This is ridiculous

I have said this for years on this board, the ny rangers are much more of a business/asset than they are a hockey team.

Msg continues to do everything it can to protect the business asset above everything else.

 

[bleedblue94]

The Byram love fest in this thread is funny bc it shows how little people have watched him and know how bad he is defensively. It was an issue in Colorado and again in Buffalo. A few people on this board know what I'm talking about and brought it up as well, but it's funny that people here pull their hair out over Miller and his gaffs, but then want to bring Byram here.

 

[LokiDog]

The Byram love fest in this thread is funny bc it shows how little people have watched him and know how bad he is defensively. It was an issue in Colorado and again in Buffalo. A few people on this board know what I'm talking about and brought it up as well, but it's funny that people here pull their hair out over Miller and his gaffs, but then want to bring Byram here.

He’s a full 18 months younger than Miller, has better pedigree and already has a better career despite the age difference. And I don’t want to move Miller either. They both should be capable of developing into solid top 4 players, and Byram IMO definitely can become a 2/3 level player. He’s extremely young. 23 years old currently.

 

[Fitzy]

I do think Soucy gets a bad wrap. If he's playing on the 3rd pair and up to 2nd pair in a pinch he will greatly help the teams defensive depth. Ideally paired with Borgen and Vaak being the 7th D.

I am very interested in seeing a healthy Schneider. That is the main reason I don't see the Rangers trading him. In my personal opinion I think he takes a leap forward and locks down the 2nd pair RD.

The big question as most have brought up, what do they do with Key? I personally think adding a rock as 1LD will help him big time along with the tone that Sullivan (hopefully) sets.

The issue from where I'm sitting is that Borgen is an ideal #5 (He and Schneider can swap roles depending on who is hot at the moment), Soucy an OK #6. But unless we get the players we need (With limited assets and cap) they'll both be overplayed. It's like when Steve Eminger had to go in our top 4. In a pinch that works. Long term it's shit.

Duhmetre's beautiful on paper dream of getting both McDonagh and a top 4 LD made our defense look great and well balanced. But unless we are able to afford the cap for both (A proposition would almost certainly require moving Soucy) we will have a mediocre D on paper again.

And, we also need a good center.

Team desperately needs a Yandle type acquisition (Meaning at 50% retention with term) to turn it into a competitive roster, and it's almost impossible to imagine that without having to move Perreault.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The Byram love fest in this thread is funny bc it shows how little people have watched him and know how bad he is defensively. It was an issue in Colorado and again in Buffalo. A few people on this board know what I'm talking about and brought it up as well, but it's funny that people here pull their hair out over Miller and his gaffs, but then want to bring Byram here.

Yea, typical grass is greener with regards to Miller. I’d be fine with buying low on Byram, but I wouldn’t be giving up anything of crazy value. I do think he’s a good rehabilitation candidate.