Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[GoAwayPanarin]

On paper, yes. But it's really just been Rantanen and Hintz.

Johnston 8 points in 13 games, but -13.

Benn, Seguin, Duchene, Marchment, Dadonov : 21 points in 13 games.

Also saw a video floating around yesterday that Stars are outscoring opponents 11-4 when one/both of Rantanen and Hintz are on the ice. But, getting outscored 18-9 when neither is on the ice. So the depth - which was very strong in the regular season - hasn't been there so far really. But that can certainly change.

Robertson returning threw shit out of wack and going 11/7 probably didn't help either but I'm still going to go with the much larger sample size.

Plus a more "in game shape" Heiskanen is only going to help drive the offense even more.

No one has impressed more than Edmonton through 2 rounds though. For all the love Dallas' depth gets (and its worthy) they just dismantled Vegas with out McDavid or Draisaitl going off and thats frightening.

 

[Machinehead]

Robertson returning threw shit out of wack and going 11/7 probably didn't help either but I'm still going to go with the much larger sample size.

Plus a more "in game shape" Heiskanen is only going to help drive the offense even more.

No one has impressed more than Edmonton through 2 rounds though. For all the love Dallas' depth gets (and its worthy) they just dismantled Vegas with out McDavid or Draisaitl going off and thats frightening.

Edmonton's a machine.

They can play a forechecking game like Florida, but with more skill and -I'm just gonna say it- stars that show up in the playoffs! (Florida's top talent is mid af in the playoffs and I'm tired of pretending they aren't).

They have a great system and insane depth, and they're sort of like the best things about Florida and the best things about Colorado mixed together.

They outplayed Florida and should have won the Cup last year.

The only Achilles heel is their defense group which really isn't very good but you can get away with it when you have 12 good forwards and two of them are generational talents.

And goaltending, I guess, but you guys already know what my response is gonna be if you bring that up!

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Baugh is the Athletic's version of Vince. Piles and piles of words with zero credible substance. Glorified fan blog.

Baugh makes Vince seem like a Friedman level insider.

I know these guys are beat writers and really there to get the day to day stories but it's always surprising how off base they are when they're speculating value and making projections and things like that. Staple was saying for months that the Rangers would have to attach a valuable asset to Trouba to get someone to take him then they trade him with no retention for plus value. Ryan Lindgren was talked about by these beats like he wouldn't fetch anything and he returned a 2nd rounder +.

The only person on the beat who is capable of any sort of predictions, projections, value speculation or things of the like is Brooks. To the rest of them - I appreciate getting the quotes and sending out line rushes and the occasional good feature providing behind the scenes color, but that's about all they're good for. Baugh and Staple are the worst. Low effort articles with insight you'd expect from a national writer who doesn't follow the team. At least Vince puts out his podcast and makes an effort, Mollie writes some good features and has her podcast with Boyle and Brooks. Colin seems like a nice guy but I think I have more sources than he does.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If the Rangers keep #12. Can KAM and 12th overall be packaged to move into the top 5?

Where does Porter Martone project to go? Brady Tkachuk type of player in the draft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Edmonton's a machine.

They can play a forechecking game like Florida, but with more skill and -I'm just gonna say it- stars that show up in the playoffs! (Florida's top talent is mid af in the playoffs and I'm tired of pretending they aren't).

They have a great system and insane depth, and they're sort of like the best things about Florida and the best things about Colorado mixed together.

They outplayed Florida and should have won the Cup last year.

The only Achilles heel is their defense group which really isn't very good but you can get away with it when you have 12 good forwards and two of them are generational talents.

And goaltending, I guess, but you guys already know what my response is gonna be if you bring that up!

I actually like their defense quite a bit when you consider what they are.

For instance, Evan Bouchard is not really a great player. He's pretty mediocre to flat out terrible at most things but he's got 2 skills that are elite -

- Stretch passes
- Shot

Really all you need to really thrive with that team when you do those things as well as he does.

And they're about to get Ekholm back!

 

[kovazub94]

The analytics people were sounding the alarm on Edmonton when they were "soft" and "only cared about offense."

Same with Florida, actually. I started warning people about Florida in 2021.

The thing about the analytics is that they do a great job identifying teams that will adapt well to the playoffs. Everyone wants that but they get mad when a colorful chart says it.

Yeah, whatever rhetorics were in place for these teams, it’s been over for at least 2-3 years already.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If the Rangers keep #12. Can KAM and 12th overall be packaged to move into the top 5?

Where does Porter Martone project to go? Brady Tkachuk type of player in the draft.

If the Rangers trade K'Andre+12th overall pick as a package, it's not going to be in a trade to move up in the draft.

 

[n8]

If the Rangers keep #12. Can KAM and 12th overall be packaged to move into the top 5?

Where does Porter Martone project to go? Brady Tkachuk type of player in the draft.

Let's just include Garand and a 3rd to complete my Pavel Brendl PTSD

 

[CTRanger]

No one has impressed more than Edmonton through 2 rounds though. For all the love Dallas' depth gets (and it’s worthy) they just dismantled Vegas with out McDavid or Draisaitl going off and thats frightening.

We heard all year that Edmonton lost so much depth this year. Their depth in these playoffs has been the difference. Brown, Kane, Podkolzin, Perry, even Henrique have all scored big goals and and been difference makers at different times. RNH and Hyman are both playing well. When you get that kind of contribution throughout the lineup with McDaisaitl at the top you’re a f***ing wagon. This is EDM best playoff team of this iteration, even with suspect goaltending and missing their best all around Dman. I think they beat Dallas and raise the cup. Should be a great series. Dallas needs their supposed depth to step up big time.

 

[Machinehead]

Edmonton has this funny habit of just not having bad players. Really bold approach.

 

[nyrage]

Baugh makes Vince seem like a Friedman level insider.

I know these guys are beat writers and really there to get the day to day stories but it's always surprising how off base they are when they're speculating value and making projections and things like that. Staple was saying for months that the Rangers would have to attach a valuable asset to Trouba to get someone to take him then they trade him with no retention for plus value. Ryan Lindgren was talked about by these beats like he wouldn't fetch anything and he returned a 2nd rounder +.

The only person on the beat who is capable of any sort of predictions, projections, value speculation or things of the like is Brooks. To the rest of them - I appreciate getting the quotes and sending out line rushes and the occasional good feature providing behind the scenes color, but that's about all they're good for. Baugh and Staple are the worst. Low effort articles with insight you'd expect from a national writer who doesn't follow the team. At least Vince puts out his podcast and makes an effort, Mollie writes some good features and has her podcast with Boyle and Brooks. Colin seems like a nice guy but I think I have more sources than he does.

I don't dislike any of them, but I find reading all of their articles or even listening to their podcasts to be a waste of time. They really have no inside info and very little insight.

I don't ever get a thing out of Vince's podcasts. Maybe the target audience is the casual fan.

If I like anything, I guess it's Boyle's commentary as a former player on the Molly/Brooks podcast. At least he can add some interesting perspective.

The worst is when the beat writers play GM. Those articles are just terrible.

 

[Levitate]

Edmonton has this funny habit of just not having bad players. Really bold approach.

I mean, until recently this wasn't true...it was a lot of the top guys and a bunch of trash and that's why they didn't get anywhere.

Giving those once in a lifetime franchise players a little bit of support goes a long way but it took Edmonton awhile to figure that out

 

[cheech70]

If the Rangers keep #12. Can KAM and 12th overall be packaged to move into the top 5?

Where does Porter Martone project to go? Brady Tkachuk type of player in the draft.

We need a 1LD if you trade Kam we need a whole new defense. Rangers are win now and Porter is too far away.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, until recently this wasn't true...it was a lot of the top guys and a bunch of trash and that's why they didn't get anywhere.

Giving those once in a lifetime franchise players a little bit of support goes a long way but it took Edmonton awhile to figure that out

Yeah, and then they just started getting good players. It's not hard.

 

[TGWL]

If the Rangers trade K'Andre+12th overall pick as a package, it's not going to be in a trade to move up in the draft.

That's a big hole to fill, and one where you need to trade more assets to get back that LD back, or over-pay in UFA. If you can't get those LD UFA's to sign, we're in trouble next season, and that pick is surely going to be higher than you want to give up.

 

[n8]

Parsinnen with an assist on the GWG, got to the puck first in the corner and made a good backhand pass (good that it didn't get intercepted but credit for finding the seam) to the point shot. Deflection up front for the goal.

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[haohmaru]

Parsinnen with an assist on the GWG, got to the puck first in the corner and made a good backhand pass (good that it didn't get intercepted but credit for finding the seam) to the point shot. Deflection up front for the goal.

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He's actually a guy I'm really pulling for to do well next year with the Rangers. 7th round pick with almost 140 NHL games played.

 

[n8]

He's actually a guy I'm really pulling for to do well next year with the Rangers. 7th round pick with almost 140 NHL games played.

And yet, it feels like everyone is leaving him out of their roster projections

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Edmonton has this funny habit of just not having bad players. Really bold approach.

They picked up a bunch of scraps at the deadline who are playing their best in Edmonton.

 

[Machinehead]

They picked up a bunch of scraps at the deadline who are playing their best in Edmonton.

Nobody in their lineup has ever been a bad player except maybe Troy Stecher, and probably every team in the league has one defenseman who's just ass -- he's probably not the worst example of it.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Yeah, and then they just started getting good players. It's not hard.

I saw a tweet that the Leafs bottom 6 was 35-40% in every differential for the playoffs. The parallels to NYR with that team are so funny. Just a pile of slop hoping to be propped up by goalies and a few sick players who aren’t good enough to do it. And their fans think the reason their depth sucks is that they have no cap space and not that they trade 1sts for Scott Laughton

 

[Machinehead]

I saw a tweet that the Leafs bottom 6 was 35-40% in every differential for the playoffs. The parallels to NYR with that team are so funny. Just a pile of slop hoping to be propped up by goalies and a few sick players who aren’t good enough to do it. And their fans think the reason their depth sucks is that they have no cap space and not that they trade 1sts for Scott Laughton

Over the last couple of years, the Leafs really went in on the whole "let's just nail grit-coded players to our bottom six and defense" and we all got to see that it does absolutely nothing.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Over the last couple of years, the Leafs really went in on the whole "let's just nail grit-coded players to our bottom six and defense" and we all got to see that it does absolutely nothing.

Leafs were outchanced by 80 at 5v5 overall for the series. I think NYR weren’t even that bad last year. Two teams that get wedgied and hung from a locker by the Panthers in May

 

[bl02]

They picked up a bunch of scraps at the deadline who are playing their best in Edmonton.

It is amazing what playing with the two best players in the world can do for you. And you don't even need to play on their line. It's infectious. McDavids 200 foot game has really improved and those two never quit. You can not convince me guys like Brown, Skinner, Kapanen are good players. Even guys like an aging Perry/Henrique, Klingberg, Podkolzin, Emberson. When you see guys like McDavid and Draisaitl play and are on the same bench as them you make sure you start playing your best possible hockey.

 

[Tob]

Off season tradition to let Ed pull one over on you moogs.