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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Mac n Gs said:
It makes it easy to write doomsday-ish stories about the Rangers offseason, but the beat writers keep simply ignoring just how bad this current UFA crop is and that the easiest maneuverability WRT roster decisions will be to make trades. The cap is going up dramatically, and these teams are going to want to add shorter-term salaries than waste money on lower-quality UFAs at comparable price points.

Is some team really going to overpay on term and dollars for guys like Ryan Donato or Pius Suter after shooting over 17/18% instead of making a trade for a more known quantity like Kreider? I doubt it.
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That and this 2025 draft isn't supposed to be the best so many teams may be more agreeable to moving some of those picks for immediate help
 
Machinehead said:
This year, yes, but they've been high up before.

The odd thing about them is that they suck at everything but scoring goals since they added Rantanen.

Scoring goals is a hell of a drug but I can't see them beating Edmonton.
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Vegas odds have everyone pretty close with Carolina being the least favored.

Dallas has the goaltending to beat the Oilers. If Otter is in Shesterkin-mode they can certainly win
 
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pld459666 said:
He's serviceable, but I'm not putting him out there in key defensive situations.

There's not a situation that I would even hesitate to deploy Fox
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I know Mathews played injured this season but I was under the impression he had become a pretty good center defensively.
 
Matthews is very good defensively. The problem with Matthews and Marner has been that their offense, especially on the PP, completely disappears in games 5-7.

I would take Matthews on the Rangers in a nanosecond.
 
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Guyute said:
Matthews is very good defensively. The problem with Matthews and Marner has been that their offense, especially on the PP, completely disappears in games 5-7.

I would take Matthews on the Rangers in a nanosecond.
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Hot take.
The reason the team lost was their bottom 6.
Look at who won for the panthers.
It was mostly their bottom 6, because the at least tied the leafs top 6 up.

The numbers are really bad for their bottom 6.
 
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Machinehead said:
Outside of the teams in freefall like San Jose and Chicago, the Leafs might have the worst defense corps in the league. It's not a tough diagnosis.
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I think you can have a weaker defense if you can outscore your problems. That goes away in the playoffs.
They have no top pair d.
Reilly is a 3-4 at best and he’s their best D by a lot. Same w tanev. Solid middle pair, forced to play way over his head
 
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IDvsEGO said:
I think you can have a weaker defense if you can outscore your problems. That goes away in the playoffs.
They have no top pair d.
Reilly is a 3-4 at best and he’s their best D by a lot. Same w tanev. Solid middle pair, forced to play way over his head
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Scoring goes away when your defense corps isn't good.

It's not about defending -- they can't get the puck up the ice.
 
Mac n Gs said:
It makes it easy to write doomsday-ish stories about the Rangers offseason, but the beat writers keep simply ignoring just how bad this current UFA crop is and that the easiest maneuverability WRT roster decisions will be to make trades. The cap is going up dramatically, and these teams are going to want to add shorter-term salaries than waste money on lower-quality UFAs at comparable price points.

Is some team really going to overpay on term and dollars for guys like Ryan Donato or Pius Suter after shooting over 17/18% instead of making a trade for a more known quantity like Kreider? I doubt it.
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You are spot on but it also indicates that the best option regarding Kreider may just be keeping him and hoping he rebounds.
 
I may be in the minority, but based off of what I've seen so far I think Florida was way better last year.

Think they're legit banged up (Tkachuk is clearly not 100% and Barkov looks a bit hampered as well) and the D just isn't as good. They may also run out of juice at any given moment and going 7 with a team they should have smoked in 5 (Toronto was legit ass from January onwards despite their record) isn't going to help matters there.

I can't pick Carolina because they're Carolina but if they can get one of their top guys to catch fire that may be enough. A deeper series (6 or more) probably nuke's Florida's chances at a repeat though.

haohmaru said:
Vegas odds have everyone pretty close with Carolina being the least favored.

Dallas has the goaltending to beat the Oilers. If Otter is in Shesterkin-mode they can certainly win
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Even if he isn't and is just simply good they can still win.

McDraisaitl is obviously excellent, but that Dallas depth is going to be tough for anyone to deal with.

Edmonton has collectively defended really, really well since the middle of the LA series but I think they're going to have to score themselves to a win or 2 in this series. Dallas is a different beast than their previous 2 opponents.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
I may be in the minority, but based off of what I've seen so far I think Florida was way better last year.

Think they're legit banged up (Tkachuk is clearly not 100% and Barkov looks a bit hampered as well) and the D just isn't as good. They may also run out of juice at any given moment and going 7 with a team they should have smoked in 5 (Toronto was legit ass from January onwards despite their record) isn't going to help matters there.

I can't pick Carolina because they're Carolina but if they can get one of their top guys to catch fire that may be enough. A deeper series (6 or more) probably nuke's Florida's chances at a repeat though.



Even if he isn't and is just simply good they can still win.

McDraisaitl is obviously excellent, but that Dallas depth is going to be tough for anyone to deal with.

Edmonton has collectively defended really, really well since the middle of the LA series but I think they're going to have to score themselves to a win or 2 in this series. Dallas is a different beast than their previous 2 opponents.
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On paper, yes. But it's really just been Rantanen and Hintz.

Johnston 8 points in 13 games, but -13.

Benn, Seguin, Duchene, Marchment, Dadonov : 21 points in 13 games.

Also saw a video floating around yesterday that Stars are outscoring opponents 11-4 when one/both of Rantanen and Hintz are on the ice. But, getting outscored 18-9 when neither is on the ice. So the depth - which was very strong in the regular season - hasn't been there so far really. But that can certainly change.
 
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NYR Viper said:
But they aren't the same team they are now. Seguin was out. Heiskenen was out. They added Rantanen and Granlund at the deadline. That team has changed
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And in the couple of game one goalie not just outplayed the other, Helle actually gave away games that Jet's should've won and it still came down to lucky / unlucky bounces in the elimination game. IMO goalie play was the difference maker in that series.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
Hot take.
The reason the team lost was their bottom 6.
Look at who won for the panthers.
It was mostly their bottom 6, because the at least tied the leafs top 6 up.

The numbers are really bad for their bottom 6.
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It was a mix of both. Guys like Domi and Max were top 3 in production.
Tavares pulled a Kreider where assist don't matter. Got 2 goals in 1 game for his 2 points in the 2nd round.
 
Mac n Gs said:
It makes it easy to write doomsday-ish stories about the Rangers offseason, but the beat writers keep simply ignoring just how bad this current UFA crop is and that the easiest maneuverability WRT roster decisions will be to make trades. The cap is going up dramatically, and these teams are going to want to add shorter-term salaries than waste money on lower-quality UFAs at comparable price points.

Is some team really going to overpay on term and dollars for guys like Ryan Donato or Pius Suter after shooting over 17/18% instead of making a trade for a more known quantity like Kreider? I doubt it.
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never underestimate Drury's ability to get pennies on the dollar
 
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kovazub94 said:
Which of these teams wouldn't be 1/2/3 based on eye test... Oh damn...
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The analytics people were sounding the alarm on Edmonton when they were "soft" and "only cared about offense."

Same with Florida, actually. I started warning people about Florida in 2021.

The thing about the analytics is that they do a great job identifying teams that will adapt well to the playoffs. Everyone wants that but they get mad when a colorful chart says it.
 
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