Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[NYRFANMANI]

I think I'm taking Draisaitl over at least Eichel and possibly Barkov and Matthews (and I really like Barkov).

Out of those four:

#1 Draisaitl
#2 Barkov
#3 Matthews
#4 Eichel

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Laf’s parents fooled the hockey world having a 30yo dominating the Q and no one can convince me otherwise
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Rempe wearing an Orange County Choppers shirt made me chuckle

 

[pld459666]

John Tavares just continues to ho hum his way to a ppg season. He's also a very complete player and playing behind the bug guys in Toronto meant he was tasked with more defensive responsibilities. 58% on FO's too.

That's a guy who I could see, should Drury actually be able to move Zibanejad and Panarin, being of some interest to the Rangers front office.

Tavares will be 35 to start next season and will be looking for, justifiably so, close to 8 per for at least 3 years.

Do we really want to be doing that?

 

[pld459666]

Don't forget a defense corps of Adam Fox!

Until shown otherwise, I believe Connor McDavid will be a NYR at close to 20 per year to start the 26-27 season

 

[pld459666]

You believe Fox is better than Mathews? Thanks for answering the question.

I believe both are top 5 in their respective positions.

Where Auston will outscore Fox, Fox will make up by being hands down the better defender.

Regarding who other fan bases prefer, thats not saying much. We could have McDavid and people would find a way to shit on him solely due to the jersey he wears.

 

[RangerBoy]

What makes a player "a playoff performer"?

This was one of the topics on Kyper and Bourne yesterday. This is very true.

Compete. Need bite. You need skill. Skill gets downgraded in the playoffs if you don’t have the extra push through. Skill never rises to the occasion without that stuff. You need grit, determination and the extra push.

Will and Skill > Skill

Mike Gartner was a terrific player during the regular season. He disappeared in the playoffs.

Mark Messier was an animal in the playoffs.

The Rangers have too many Mike Gartner types. Too many players who are not noticeable in the playoffs. Was this guy dressed tonight because I didn't hear his name mentioned on the broadcast and he didn't accomplish anything with or without the puck? Don't worry because his hockey chart paints a different picture. The game isn't played in some model.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I believe both are top 5 in their respective positions.

Where Auston will outscore Fox, Fox will make up by being hands down the better defender.

Regarding who other fan bases prefer, thats not saying much. We could have McDavid and people would find a way to shit on him solely due to the jersey he wears.

Did Mathews become a good 2 way center over the years?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Did Mathews become a good 2 way center over the years?

Matthews is very good defensively.

 

[NickyFotiu]

What makes a player "a playoff performer"?

This was one of the topics on Kyper and Bourne yesterday. This is very true.

Compete. Need bite. You need skill. Skill gets downgraded in the playoffs if you don’t have the extra push through. Skill never rises to the occasion without that stuff. You need grit, determination and the extra push.

Will and Skill > Skill

Mike Gartner was a terrific player during the regular season. He disappeared in the playoffs.

Mark Messier was an animal in the playoffs.

The Rangers have too many Mike Gartner types. Too many players who are not noticeable in the playoffs. Was this guy dressed tonight because I didn't hear his name mentioned on the broadcast and he didn't accomplish anything with or without the puck? Don't worry because his hockey chart paints a different picture. The game isn't played in some model.

I don't remember that being the case for Washington nor the Rangers.

 

[SA16]

What makes a player "a playoff performer"?

This was one of the topics on Kyper and Bourne yesterday. This is very true.

Compete. Need bite. You need skill. Skill gets downgraded in the playoffs if you don’t have the extra push through. Skill never rises to the occasion without that stuff. You need grit, determination and the extra push.

Will and Skill > Skill

Mike Gartner was a terrific player during the regular season. He disappeared in the playoffs.

Mark Messier was an animal in the playoffs.

The Rangers have too many Mike Gartner types. Too many players who are not noticeable in the playoffs. Was this guy dressed tonight because I didn't hear his name mentioned on the broadcast and he didn't accomplish anything with or without the puck? Don't worry because his hockey chart paints a different picture. The game isn't played in some model.

The easiest way for the Rangers to improve the playoff performance of some of their players is by trading Adam Fox to a rival in the metropolitan division. This would make it reasonably likely the Rangers get to face Fox in one of the first two rounds of the playoffs. Did you see him in the 4 Nations Tournament? He barely played. Third pairing. With this teams current coach. Slavin and Faber got all the tough matchups. We know this guy is a bad defenseman who will get overused because he can make a short pass to get an assist. Let him be someone else's problem and let's see what perennial underperformers like Panarin can do in the playoffs when they get to go up against a defenseman like that.

 

[cheech70]

is this guy credible?

 

[Filip Chytil]

Who do you expect Sullivan to bring in as his assistant coaches and will either Michael Peca or Dan Muse be considered? — Torsten S.
Peca and Muse, who were on Peter Laviolette’s staff, both will have the opportunity to interview for jobs under Sullivan. I’d also keep an eye on Mike Vellucci. He was one of Sullivan’s assistants in Pittsburgh the past five seasons.

If traded, I’d like to see Kreider fetch a second-round pick and a better-than-decent prospect. Do you think Drury would retain significant salary to make this happen? — Frank B.
I’ve been wrong about how teams value players before — I thought New York would have to retain some of Jacob Trouba’s contract to trade him, for example — but I’d temper your expectations on what a Kreider return would look like. He’s coming off a career-worst season and a plethora of health issues. That’s concerning for a 34-year-old player. Getting a second-round pick and a good prospect feels outlandish, even if the Rangers retain money in a deal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staple hacked into Baugh’s account.

Gonna LOL at all these clowns when Kreider returns triple what they’re expecting.

 

[McRanger92]

Staple hacked into Baugh’s account.

Gonna LOL at all these clowns when Kreider returns triple what they’re expecting.

Was my first thought. The Athletic is the most milquetoast publication out there. No juice and always wrong. No wonder the NY Times bought it.

 

[Machinehead]

What makes a player "a playoff performer"?

This was one of the topics on Kyper and Bourne yesterday. This is very true.

Compete. Need bite. You need skill. Skill gets downgraded in the playoffs if you don’t have the extra push through. Skill never rises to the occasion without that stuff. You need grit, determination and the extra push.

Will and Skill > Skill

Mike Gartner was a terrific player during the regular season. He disappeared in the playoffs.

Mark Messier was an animal in the playoffs.

The Rangers have too many Mike Gartner types. Too many players who are not noticeable in the playoffs. Was this guy dressed tonight because I didn't hear his name mentioned on the broadcast and he didn't accomplish anything with or without the puck? Don't worry because his hockey chart paints a different picture. The game isn't played in some model.

According to the "charts and models," Edmonton, Carolina, and Florida are the 1-2-3 best teams in the league.

*Checks bracket*

Wow how about that?!

 

[haohmaru]

"but I’d temper your expectations on what a Kreider return would look like. He’s coming off a career-worst season and a plethora of health issues. That’s concerning for a 34-year-old player. Getting a second-round pick and a good prospect feels outlandish, even if the Rangers retain money in a deal."

Yeah, he's, um, extremely off base on this one. A 2nd and a decent prospect would be a low yield for Kreider but probably realistic.

"Outlandish" makes Peter seem amateurish.

 

[Machinehead]

We paid about that for Alex Wennberg and he was worse that year then Kreider was in his worst year.

 

[haohmaru]

According to the "charts and models," Edmonton, Carolina, and Florida are the 1-2-3 best teams in the league.

*Checks bracket*

Wow how about that?!

Dallas is quite the outlier and, honestly, surprising they are where they are.

 

[NYR Viper]

I've been coming to grips with the fact that any trade with Kreider likely has a contract coming back ($2-4m) and will likely be a collection of middle round picks and a good (not great) prospect. I think that's the value. I'm not holding out hope for a 1st at this point.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dallas is quite the outlier and, honestly, surprising they are where they are.

But they aren't the same team they are now. Seguin was out. Heiskenen was out. They added Rantanen and Granlund at the deadline. That team has changed

 

[haohmaru]

But they aren't the same team they are now. Seguin was out. Heiskenen was out. They added Rantanen and Granlund at the deadline. That team has changed

Agreed. These are going to be some outstanding conference finals.

 

[Machinehead]

Dallas is quite the outlier and, honestly, surprising they are where they are.

This year, yes, but they've been high up before.

The odd thing about them is that they suck at everything but scoring goals since they added Rantanen.

Scoring goals is a hell of a drug but I can't see them beating Edmonton.

 

[NYR Viper]

This year, yes, but they've been high up before.

The odd thing about them is that they suck at everything but scoring goals since they added Rantanen.

Scoring goals is a hell of a drug but I can't see them beating Edmonton.

Wouldn't you think that adding Heiskenen will help that? They've been playing a rag-tag group of d-men almost the entire playoffs and they've beaten both Colorado and Winnipeg. Edmonton beat LA and Vegas. I would say that Dallas has had the harder road.

 

[Machinehead]

Wouldn't you think that adding Heiskenen will help that? They've been playing a rag-tag group of d-men almost the entire playoffs and they've beaten both Colorado and Winnipeg. Edmonton beat LA and Vegas. I would say that Dallas has had the harder road.

It should but they've low-key been really bad in the playoffs. Getting outscored at 5v5.

But they're not a bad team, they're just playing kind of bad. There's every chance they turn it around immediately.

 

[Mac n Gs]

"but I’d temper your expectations on what a Kreider return would look like. He’s coming off a career-worst season and a plethora of health issues. That’s concerning for a 34-year-old player. Getting a second-round pick and a good prospect feels outlandish, even if the Rangers retain money in a deal."

Yeah, he's, um, extremely off base on this one. A 2nd and a decent prospect would be a low yield for Kreider but probably realistic.

"Outlandish" makes Peter seem amateurish.

It makes it easy to write doomsday-ish stories about the Rangers offseason, but the beat writers keep simply ignoring just how bad this current UFA crop is and that the easiest maneuverability WRT roster decisions will be to make trades. The cap is going up dramatically, and these teams are going to want to add shorter-term salaries than waste money on lower-quality UFAs at comparable price points.

Is some team really going to overpay on term and dollars for guys like Ryan Donato or Pius Suter after shooting over 17/18% instead of making a trade for a more known quantity like Kreider? I doubt it.