Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[NickyFotiu]

The problem is you declare victory when outcomes are/were unknown. No one knows if Boo would have been good as 1C. Obviously the coaches didn't think so nor did his production point to that. It's much more likely that experiment would have been a massive failure. Yet here you are claiming victory.

Bo as a #1 center? In the NHL? Not likely..

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nothing says first line center like 19 points in 76 NHL career games.

Really wasn't a goal scorer in the AHL either.

 

[bleedblue94]

God help whoever signs marner. This game tonight just highlighting it all again.

 

[bleedblue94]

Also will not at all be surprised if Matthews is quietly shopped for a full culture reset in Toronto. Will be interesting this summer. Out of all their players it's amazing the effort taveras of all players has maintained, still doing a lot of little things right but Christ the leafs are a mess. I pray Drury does not trade Panarin just to sign marner. Marner is just completely someone I could not root for with his style of play and arrogance.

 

[McRanger92]

Also will not at all be surprised if Matthews is quietly shopped for a full culture reset in Toronto. Will be interesting this summer. Out of all their players it's amazing the effort taveras of all players has maintained, still doing a lot of little things right but Christ the leafs are a mess. I pray Drury does not trade Panarin just to sign marner. Marner is just completely someone I could not root for with his style of play and arrogance.

Doesn’t seem like a Drury move to sign Marner. Could see him going after Tavares though. We don’t have centers of any age. On the flip side of tonight’s game I bet were In on Marchand if we move out Kreider and his money. Feels Ranger ish for better or worse.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's really hard to be a perimeter creator and really make a difference when the games are as tight as they become in the playoffs.

You don't have to live in the paint but you do have to be willing/able to get there. Someone like Patrick Kane (when he was good) who had the reputation of being a guy who does most of his damage from the outside was really underrated at finding a way to get inside the dots (so no, you don't have to brute your way to doing it.)

There isn't enough or really any of it from the Marner/Panarin/Necas types. I think Matthews played through something pretty serious so I'll withhold judgement on him until further notice.

Doesn’t seem like a Drury move to sign Marner. Could see him going after Tavares though. We don’t have centers of any age. On the flip side of tonight’s game I bet were In on Marchand if we move out Kreider and his money. Feels Ranger ish for better or worse.

Might be in the minority but I'd take Marchand with out any hesitation if the money/term isn't stupid.

Hes not the star he was but he's still a good player.

 

[bernmeister]

Also will not at all be surprised if Matthews is quietly shopped for a full culture reset in Toronto. Will be interesting this summer. Out of all their players it's amazing the effort taveras of all players has maintained, still doing a lot of little things right but Christ the leafs are a mess. I pray Drury does not trade Panarin just to sign marner. Marner is just completely someone I could not root for with his style of play and arrogance.

price will be crazy high but

Matthews + Knies
for
Shesty + Fox + LaF +

I could see

 

[bleedblue94]

price will be crazy high but

Matthews + Knies
for
Shesty + Fox + LaF +

I could see

Stop

 

[bernmeister]

Stop

what?
large loss at RD, but we add HUGE at C
Garand so...

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

D core next year

Provorov-Fox
Schneider-Borgen
Vaak-DeAngelo

 

[Kendo]

1. you "being kind" don't do me no favors, and patronize me at yr own risk.
2. I never claim to be the smartest guy in the room, although an honest evaluation here = not too shabby.
3. I DO claim to usually be the most creative, outside the box guy. And if the herd here wants to blindly follow the conventional wisdom of the moment, fine. My creativity usually prevails head to head.

4. And setting aside we all, including myself, have a right to post as long as we defend our positions, it is nec to regularly emphasize my positions, b'c certain na'er do well detractors insist on improperly/unfairly misrepresenting my positions w/wrong or out of context statements.

I'm not patronizing. I'm very literal.

In the past couple of years, you've started more aggressively asserting that you very much are the smartest person in the room.

Your creativity is duly noted. There's zero proof of how effective that would have been in the long run. But it's still fun conversation without that air of superiority.

We all have a right to contribute. Obviously.

Please drop the Boo Nieves conversation. I'm being nicer than most people here when I say that it comes off as, "See? Even when I'm wrong, I'm right. And if you think I was wrong, you're double wrong."

Be more fun again.

 

[Kendo]

D core next year

Provorov-Fox
Schneider-Borgen
Vaak-DeAngelo

No thanks on Provo.

I don't hate that 2nd pair at all.

I'll take Jones over Tony. Heck, I'd take de Haan over Tony if Soucy wasn't here.

I find Tony annoying, but I think he deserves a 6/7D spot on some team before his NHL window closes. Just not this one.

 

[n8]

I'm not patronizing. I'm very literal.

In the past couple of years, you've started more aggressively asserting that you very much are the smartest person in the room.

Your creativity is duly noted. There's zero proof of how effective that would have been in the long run. But it's still fun conversation without that air of superiority.

We all have a right to contribute. Obviously.

Please drop the Boo Nieves conversation. I'm being nicer than most people here when I say that it comes off as, "See? Even when I'm wrong, I'm right. And if you think I was wrong, you're double wrong."

Be more fun again.

That bold caps underlined text comes off really psychopathic. I won't even read anything written that way. It has scream man-child vibes. Not saying that's how it's written but that's how I read it. It really drains any fun or civility out of the conversation.

#MakeBernFunAgain

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I can't believe we're discussing Boo Nieves. Going to be a long summer.

 

[Kendo]

That bold caps underlined text comes off really psychopathic. I won't even read anything written that way. It has scream man-child vibes. Not saying that's how it's written but that's how I read it. It really drains any fun or civility out of the conversation.

#MakeBernFunAgain

We're all annoying. Psycho is going a little far.

I do not endorse that hashtag. LOL

 

[n8]

We're all annoying. Psycho is going a little far.

I do not endorse that hashtag. LOL

Again, I'm not attributing those qualities to bern, just how I personally read any POSTS LIKE THAT IN A FORUM <-- like that just doesn't read like any conversation you'd want to be in IRL.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Idk, I get why people want to move on from K'Andre, but defense is already a position of dire need.

Maybe let Robertson get a real look. Trade some young forwards for dman. Rangers have options and need to be creative. It’s not impossible.

 

[Kendo]

Again, I'm not attributing those qualities to bern, just how I personally read any POSTS LIKE THAT IN A FORUM <-- like that just doesn't read like any conversation you'd want to be in IRL.

N8 HATES THIS ONE TRICK!!!

 

[RangersFan1994]

With the way Roobroeck had progressed, I hope he gets a look at 3rd line center. Maybe he can surprise and make the team. I know its a long shot but its time the Rangers defer to their younger players regardless if they are top picks or late round picks.

 

[bernmeister]

I can't believe we're discussing Boo Nieves. Going to be a long summer.

the day we admit R mgmt was wrong for not even being open to experiment, with the hope that they learn from that, that is the day we can retire the subject
not before

 

[n8]

N8 HATES THIS ONE TRICK!!!

YOU WON'T BELIEVE #4 ON HIS LIST!

 

[Kendo]

the day we admit R mgmt was wrong for not even being open to experiment, with the hope that they learn from that, that is the day we can retire the subject
not before

I'm a huge Nigel Dawes truther, but it's not my identity.

We're all Buch believers.

If Buch discussion has run its course, Boo is as done as Jarkko Immonen. Move on. Boo himself has been retired for 5 years. =)

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not patronizing. I'm very literal.

In the past couple of years, you've started more aggressively asserting that you very much are the smartest person in the room.

Your creativity is duly noted. There's zero proof of how effective that would have been in the long run. But it's still fun conversation without that air of superiority.

We all have a right to contribute. Obviously.

Please drop the Boo Nieves conversation. I'm being nicer than most people here when I say that it comes off as, "See? Even when I'm wrong, I'm right. And if you think I was wrong, you're double wrong."

Be more fun again.

I can be more fun when you can be more honest

"In the past couple of years, you've started more aggressively asserting that you very much are the smartest person in the room."
== this is an extrapolation by you NOT something I actually said/asserted

"There's zero proof of how effective that would have been in the long run"
Setting aside fun hypotheticals of how effective one of my suggestions would or would not have been, I can claim victory on the grounds that R mgmt decisions WERE IN FACT ACTUAL FAILURE

but setting that aside, peeps forget I was for trading Buch at max value while he had term, not doing what they did and self renting until due to min term his value w/rfa was a sliver of what max return could have been
-- many variations on a theme but we could have had Broberg


"Please drop the Boo Nieves conversation. I'm being nicer than most people here when I say that it comes off as, "See? Even when I'm wrong, I'm right. And if you think I was wrong, you're double wrong."
Your attempt at word salad to confuse things will not prevail
Peeps are right or wrong on the merits
only ? is to what extent that can be measured ie subjective compared to objective

There is no ?, and there can never be any ?, that yes, bern's experiment MIGHT have failed, BUT THAT LOSES IN DEFEAT to Rs failure to experiment did not work, so was ACTUAL failure

again just be honest
don't make me go Billy Joel on yr ass

 

[bernmeister]

I'm a huge Nigel Dawes truther, but it's not my identity.

We're all Buch believers.

If Buch discussion has run its course, Boo is as done as Jarkko Immonen. Move on. Boo himself has been retired for 5 years. =)

my friend,
let's stop w/revisionist history
and let's remember those who dont learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat it

We're all Buch believers.
Most supported keeping buch, some wanted him extended, but the objective mind could see this was not likely due to cap
OBV trading him earlier was best move

you can admit I was right about that, it won't kill you

And as to Boo, for the last time, they made a mistake, and while Boo personally is no longer in the equation, their mindset was wrong and must not be repeated [in parallel] or = more of the same mistake

 

[Fitzy]

I'm a huge Nigel Dawes truther, but it's not my identity.

We're all Buch believers.

If Buch discussion has run its course, Boo is as done as Jarkko Immonen. Move on. Boo himself has been retired for 5 years. =)

Dawes def could have been a 2nd line NHL player but he would have been so one dimensional in this league that he probably never would have been considered “noteworthy”

Still- we did a shit job developing him because for some reason NYR didn’t seem committed to developing anyone not named Prucha from 05-08. Tyutin and Kondratiev(?) even got dealt super early