Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[NickyFotiu]

Because Paul Maurice is a real human wasting his time with real life coaching instead of using Microsoft Excel like all great tacticians.

LOL stats have their place in the game. I'm pretty sure NHL coaches have plenty of stats at their disposal but as you pointed out. There is much more to coaching real games than looking at spreadsheets. A guy like Barkov is not going to outscore a guy like Bread. He may not even always outscore Mika but realistically if your goal is to win a cup which guy would coaches take 10 out of 10 times?

 

[SA16]

Leading his team in scoring plus his very good defense and a physical presence on the way to a Cup ring does not feel like a choker to me. I'm not saying he is the best player in the world but he is very good. Why would Paul Maurice play him so many minutes if he was choking?

Because he's the best (or second best) player on his team and hasn't performed well in the playoffs does not imply will not perform well in the playoffs in the future. The same way Marner,Matthews,Panarin and any others players who have allegedly been poor in the playoffs don't get demoted.

Would you say Marner has been a poor playoff performer? Because Marner has put up better results than Barkov in the playoffs offensively, defensively, and on the PP.

 

[Overcast]

Canada vs Slovakia

17 Cuylle vs 10 Sykora

On NHL Network now

Our old friend Adam Huska is the backup for Slovakia as well.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Because he's the best (or second best) player on his team and hasn't performed well in the playoffs does not imply will not perform well in the playoffs in the future. The same way Marner,Matthews,Panarin and any others players who have allegedly been poor in the playoffs don't get demoted.

Would you say Marner has been a poor playoff performer? Because Marner has put up better results than Barkov in the playoffs offensively, defensively, and on the PP.

I have not watched Marner enough to give an honest opinion on him. I cant just judge a guy solely on stats. I do know some posters are down on him. Sometimes guys are bad playoff performers until something clicks and then they have a good playoff years. Arod (baseball) had some bad playoffs for the Yankees and then in 2009 it finally clicked for him.

I thought Barkov was very difficult to play against in our playoff series. I went in to that series judging him more on stats. He was a horse against us. We seemed powerless to get the puck off his stick at times. He was breaking up a lot of our neutral zone plays. Many of my positive takeaways about Barkov vs us might not always show up in point production.

I'm not saying your belief is wrong. I do not watch some of these guys play enough. I'm largely going by last season for Barkov because that is when I watched him play the most.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Good development for Sykora in this tournament.

 

[haohmaru]

Good development for Sykora in this tournament.

Ranger forwards don't develop. Stop it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Hahaha Sykora driving Crosby nuts love it

 

[RangersFan1994]

Ranger forwards don't develop. Stop it.

Kreider did lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think if they move on, the goal will be to get a younger C then Trochek.

I don't believe that's entirely true, I believe they wanna move forward instead of taking a step back. Getting a center to plug the hole and a 1st round pick wouldn't be out of the question.

 

[bhamill]

Leading his team in scoring plus his very good defense and a physical presence on the way to a Cup ring does not feel like a choker to me. I'm not saying he is the best player in the world but he is very good. Why would Paul Maurice play him so many minutes if he was choking?

P/60 with a guy like Barkov isn’t always a good measuring stick. Like most stats, context matters. He plays a lot in a defensive capacity as well, especially in the post season, when his job out there isn’t to necessarily put up points. To call Barkov a “choker” makes zero sense to me. He drives that team, along with a few others, regardless of whether he’s scoring or not.

 

[Mugless]

 

[will1066]

That gives Parssinen 3 goals in this tournament

 

[80s Kid]

 

[eco's bones]

On the subject of Barkov and the Panthers vs. Rangers 2024 playoffs----Rangers players seemed to come out of the defeat with this idea that they were really close. What I saw OTOH was a very large territorial advantage for the Panthers throughout the series and Igor keeping us in games that we were being badly outplayed in and even stealing at least one of our two victories. We had issues throughout the series keeping Panthers forwards away from our net. Quite often our players were stuck in their own end on lengthy shifts with sometimes the Panthers making multiple shift changes. Even when we managed to break the D zone more often than not it seemed the puck went right back in moments later. Even if Barkov did not put up a lot of points he dominated his matchups against our centers and particularly with Zibanejad. Our net was continually being swarmed and to me just the accumulation of chances against led inevitably to our falling short. On the other hand the Panthers defense almost always had net front control. It was clear to me we were outmatched and at both ends of the ice except in goal.

Maybe some Rangers players believed they were close---maybe even they thought that playing a defense half of which was banged up in a more ideal situation they could have won. I don't think so. But anyway Barkov didn't have to score more points than Mika in last year's playoffs to show he was the superior player. He showed that in the series we played with them. He was effective game in and game out and Mika struggled throughout that series.......not that he was the only one.

 

[kovazub94]

Jesse Granger who covers the Knights for The Athletic mentioned Vegas is looking to add a forward. It will be interesting to see what Vegas will do. Most of their main guys didn't show up against Edmonton. Tomas Hertl. Shea Theodore. Mark Stone was injured. The team is getting older. Alex Piertangelo is 36. All of their picks have been traded for Hertl and Noah Hanifin who was also bad. Could Vegas be a spot for Chris Kreider? He isn't that far removed from scoring nearly 40 goals two seasons ago. Kreider may not have that skating burst from his BC days but he should still be able to contribute 30 goals next season. He had 22 goals this season. He can play in all of the special teams. Net front presence on the PP. PK. We haven't heard anything about Kreider having hand surgery. He mentioned having the hand injury on breakup day suffered in the Buffalo game after the 4 Nations.

Larry Brooks reported even Kreider acknowledges his time in New York is up and a fresh start somewhere else might be the best thing for him. Kreider has the 15 team no trade list. Expand the list?

I was reading Mike Russo's mailbag at The Athletic. He mentioned Brock Nelson's agent Ben Hankinson said the Avs are interested in keeping Brock Nelson. The Avs would need to move out significant money. Probably Valeri Nichushkin's $6.125M. Colorado needs that 2C behind Nate McKinnon. Casey Mittlestedt wasn't the answer. Nazem Kadri left in 2022 and the Avs haven't filled that hole. Keeping Nelson would be their best option. Colorado sent Calum Ritchie to the Islanders for Nelson.

Kreider and picks to Vegas for Hanifin, Zibanejad to Colorado for Nichushkin and a pick. Colorado can decide if they want to keep either Nelson or Mittlestedt.

 

[kovazub94]

I’ve always thought that Zibanejad to Colorado made sense. They also have the type of contracts that could offset some of the salary. Colton and Girard would be useful pieces in NY.

Same.

 

[kovazub94]

On the subject of Barkov and the Panthers vs. Rangers 2024 playoffs----Rangers players seemed to come out of the defeat with this idea that they were really close. What I saw OTOH was a very large territorial advantage for the Panthers throughout the series and Igor keeping us in games that we were being badly outplayed in and even stealing at least one of our two victories. We had issues throughout the series keeping Panthers forwards away from our net. Quite often our players were stuck in their own end on lengthy shifts with sometimes the Panthers making multiple shift changes. Even when we managed to break the D zone more often than not it seemed the puck went right back in moments later. Even if Barkov did not put up a lot of points he dominated his matchups against our centers and particularly with Zibanejad. Our net was continually being swarmed and to me just the accumulation of chances against led inevitably to our falling short. On the other hand the Panthers defense almost always had net front control. It was clear to me we were outmatched and at both ends of the ice except in goal.

Maybe some Rangers players believed they were close---maybe even they thought that playing a defense half of which was banged up in a more ideal situation they could have won. I don't think so. But anyway Barkov didn't have to score more points than Mika in last year's playoffs to show he was the superior player. He showed that in the series we played with them. He was effective game in and game out and Mika struggled throughout that series.......not that he was the only one.

The issue was largely D and Chytil not in shape so the whole 3rd line got downgraded. All “problems” got though the D spots have not been filled.

 

[will1066]

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[n8]

That gives Parssinen 3 goals in this tournament

He's got potential. I hope he can really grow into that 3C role. I hope the roster has space to support his growth.

 

[bleedblue94]

Scott Laughton good option as a 3rd line center?

Why even bring him up? With what Toronto paid he's there till his contract is up

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kreider and picks to Vegas for Hanifin, Zibanejad to Colorado for Nichushkin and a pick. Colorado can decide if they want to keep either Nelson or Mittlestedt.

Colorado already traded Mittelstadt to Boston for Charlie Coyle this past deadline

 

[80s Kid]

Some kind of fruit that starts with pars?

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[Kendo]

P/60 with a guy like Barkov isn’t always a good measuring stick. Like most stats, context matters. He plays a lot in a defensive capacity as well, especially in the post season, when his job out there isn’t to necessarily put up points. To call Barkov a “choker” makes zero sense to me. He drives that team, along with a few others, regardless of whether he’s scoring or not.

Barkov is often used as a "cooler." "If we're not scoring, nobody's scoring."

We had Kakko for that role and passed on him. While I believe KK is a useful middle 6 W, Barkov is a C and puts up reliable 1st line quality offense, so he's basically a unicorn. I respect the crap out of his game.

In a Fantasy Draft in EA or something, he'd be high up there after McDrainnon.

We currently have two guys at C that can hang with his numbers, but JT isn't as much of a "more than his numbers" guy, and Mika is "a little less than his numbers."

 

[pld459666]

Miller is better then Provorov.

Miller is the defensive punching bag here. Ive seen him blamed for "egregious" mistakes that weren't his fault. Blown coverages that weren't his guy. Breakdowns where he is blamed for not making a better play on a 3 on 1 low meanwhile hello everyone! Why is it an odd man situation in the first place?

Keep Miller and Fox. Find 2 other real top 4 dmen. You'll be shocked by how much better everyone is.

My issues with Miller is the passing to the opponent on multiple occasions.

Terrible decisions and or execution.

Maybe this was a bad year for him, I don't know, but the giveaways were very egregious.

 

[Kendo]

Kreider and picks to Vegas for Hanifin,

I don't want to trade Kreider for nothing, but having Hanifin instead of Soucy (Soucy goes for less than nothing in a separate deal) would be a gigantic upgrade however it shakes out.

I don't think there's a deal there because I like it too much. And I'm someone that wants Kreider to own that PPG record.