Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[mike14]

1. Any update on the assistant coaches? Peca? Muse? Velucci?

2. Any rumors from the beat on whether we're going to give Pittsburgh the first round pick?

What updates are you after?

Peca and Muse are still around New York Rangers Front Office Staff | NY Rangers | New York Rangers

 

[egelband]

Pride and the drive to win is what is supposed to get players wanting to work. This is exactly the problem with some of these motherf***ers. I’m sure if Drury was a prince and sent each player a personalized greeting and flowers, maybe some Harry and David fruit baskets, on their f***ing birthdays we would have won the Cup… yeah. That’s sarcasm. D’uh.
I’m sorry but that whole narrative is about entitlement. These guys are paid extremely well. Mika is basically paid 100k a game. He’s going to quit on the team, the fans and HIMSELF because he doesn’t like the way the GM handled something? He’s not being paid to like Drury. He’s being paid to play f***ing hockey. Play it, motherf***er or waive your no trade clause and we’ll find you a kinder gentler management team somewhere else. This shit is ridiculous. Hahaha.
Disclaimer: just using Mika as the poster boy. It wasn’t just him obviously. It’s not just a Mika thing.

I am sure these guys don’t actually intend to suck. I just think that they lose that ‘eye of the tiger’ sometimes. That’s of course a weakness. But just saying they’re not actively “quitting” on the team/fans/organization. They’re like classic cars in a way. When they run, they perform great. But it takes more to keep them at their peak performance. That’s just their nature. They really did want to play better.
Again, not dismissing their crap seasons. Just not going to get upset at them either. Rangers need to find better engines.

 

[rangers1314]

I wonder if Brad Shaw gets a look for Sullivans staff

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

They wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

What better will they get for a player the entire league knows isnt re-signing and is effectively a 2 year rental?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Here’s my call

- Rangers sign provorov to a 7 year deal
- Kandre is traded sometime around the draft
- Schneider becomes 2nd pair dman on the left side
- a total wildcard none of you expect gets signed for bottom pair RD
- soucy moved for a bag of pucks
- kreider moved around the draft

 

[deathb4disco]

Everyone's life away from the rink is just as important.

Messier wouldnt get married until he was retired, said it would be too much of a distraction. Its extreme but extreme descisions get extreme results.

 

[haohmaru]

Honestly, K'Andre is probably going to be looking for a short deal to take him to UFA (2 years, I think, without looking it up?) and if that's a hard stance then I definitely look to deal him. I think, behind Kreider, he's the 2nd most likely "big fish" on the Rangers to get traded.

 

[eco's bones]

K'Andre was trending a lot better a couple years ago. There was better consistency to his overall game. One of his issues is he too often tries to do too much and this Housley defense system was pretty damn good at exposing the weaker parts of his game. Maybe the Rangers were expecting more out of him than they should have. They get a 40+ production season out of him and think that he's ready to take off into 50/60 point territory(?) and it's not going to happen and the last couple seasons when the play gets behind him he's been catching up to his mistakes a lot less frequently.

I don't know if he'll get moved or not but if he's with us he's going to have to retake control of his game. Focus on the defense and let the offense happen at it happens. Sometimes you have to let the play come to you and not try to force shit all the time. Hopefully Sullivan installs better structure in the defensive zone and if K'Andre is around reins him in a bit. He's got some good offensive tools but his short area stick skills are average at best and his instincts for creating offense aren't really any better than average. His better offensive skills are moving with the puck and he's got a pretty good shot and shot selection if given some time and space.

 

[NYR Viper]

Borgan is a barely a number 6 not top 4

I think that, in an ideal world, he's a #5. Now where he plays and with whom, I'm less concerned with. I thought him and Miller looked good together for the most part so I don't have an issue with that being a pairing.

I have similar thinking about the fact that if Soucy and Fox play well together, even though Soucy isn't a top-4 d-man, I really don't care. In saying that, if Soucy is playing with Fox at 5v5 then they need to be able to provide better depth on the other pairings.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Miller-Fox was pretty comfortably our best pairing statistically last season. The only pairing that was even close was Soucy-Fox.

Miller has an occasional whiff of a play, but it's become a meme that has completely changed how people view him. He's a true top4 defenseman on a team of guys who are fringe top4 or borderline top6. We need more guys like him.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I am sure these guys don’t actually intend to suck. I just think that they lose that ‘eye of the tiger’ sometimes. That’s of course a weakness. But just saying they’re not actively “quitting” on the team/fans/organization. They’re like classic cars in a way. When they run, they perform great. But it takes more to keep them at their peak performance. That’s just their nature. They really did want to play better.
Again, not dismissing their crap seasons. Just not going to get upset at them either. Rangers need to find better engines.

That is a very cool analogy!

 

[NYR Viper]

Miller-Fox were pretty comfortably our best pairing statistically last season. The only pairing that was even close was Soucy-Fox.

Miller has an occasional whiff of a play, but it's become a meme that has completely changed how people view him. He's a true top4 defenseman on a team of guys who are fringe top4 or borderline top6. We need more guys like him.

I think people don't quite understand that top-4 guys in general look like Miller. Orlov and Provorov are guys who bring some skills for sure but will have similar displays of 'WTF' moments. If they didn't, they would be top-pairing guys

 

[Harbour Dog]

I think people don't quite understand that top-4 guys in general look like Miller. Orlov and Provorov are guys who bring some skills for sure but will have similar displays of 'WTF' moments. If they didn't, they would be top-pairing guys

There's probably some disappointment in there too. We all were hoping he would take steps to being a 1D, but it hasn't happened.

Just feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater to move on from a young top4 D, even if he isn't going to improve anymore from here (which is far from a given).

 

[McRanger92]

I am sure these guys don’t actually intend to suck. I just think that they lose that ‘eye of the tiger’ sometimes. That’s of course a weakness. But just saying they’re not actively “quitting” on the team/fans/organization. They’re like classic cars in a way. When they run, they perform great. But it takes more to keep them at their peak performance. That’s just their nature. They really did want to play better.
Again, not dismissing their crap seasons. Just not going to get upset at them either. Rangers need to find better engines.

The Panarin Rangers have had home-ice in and/or been leading the series in every playoff matchup theyve had post Covid. They also had the goalie advantage in every one. They've left a ton of meat on the bone. Thats why I question the commitment. The way this season went and the comments the players have made have just reinforced what I personally had already felt about them, despite vocally wanting to believe in and defend them for years. Time to turn the page. The "lack of talent" narrative is a separate issue, but all the more reason to move on from the veterans.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Miller-Fox was pretty comfortably our best pairing statistically last season. The only pairing that was even close was Soucy-Fox.

Miller has an occasional whiff of a play, but it's become a meme that has completely changed how people view him. He's a true top4 defenseman on a team of guys who are fringe top4 or borderline top6. We need more guys like him.

I prefer Provorov 7 X $7 + the pieces that come back in dealing kandre than just kandre.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Are there any defensive guys out there that dominate their area of the ice like Pronger used to when he was bringing 3 different teams in a row to the cup finals? Like in a physical menacing way? The kind of player where after the game you know you are going to have some black and blue marks?

 

[McRanger92]

Are there any defensive guys out there that dominate their area of the ice like Pronger used to when he was bringing 3 different teams in a row to the cup finals? Like in a physical menacing way? The kind of player where after the game you know you are going to have some black and blue marks?

Jacob Trouba!

(Just kidding)

 

[NickyFotiu]

Jacob Trouba!

(Just kidding)

Thats funny. I was just thinking of that Edmonton team Pronger dragged to the Cup finals. I doubt people even remember many guys on that team. It was Pronger and a bunch of nobodies for the most part.

 

[NYR Viper]

Thats funny. I was just thinking of that Edmonton team Pronger dragged to the Cup finals. I doubt people even remember many guys on that team. It was Pronger and a bunch of nobodies for the most part.

Roloson was playing out of his head also

 

[haohmaru]

Miller-Fox was pretty comfortably our best pairing statistically last season. The only pairing that was even close was Soucy-Fox.

Miller has an occasional whiff of a play, but it's become a meme that has completely changed how people view him. He's a true top4 defenseman on a team of guys who are fringe top4 or borderline top6. We need more guys like him.

He's a top 4 defenseman that's good for a couple of ECHL level mistakes per game. They're usually devastating and egregious.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Thats funny. I was just thinking of that Edmonton team Pronger dragged to the Cup finals. I doubt people even remember many guys on that team. It was Pronger and a bunch of nobodies for the most part.

Pronger was an absolute monster in those playoffs. When I think of big game players, he's always the first defenseman that comes to mind.

Guys like that don't really exist anymore, in my opinion. The game and rules have changed to where it's very difficult to be that rough. I think Shae Weber is the last top pairing guy that still played that way. Can't think of any guy on that level now.

 

[haohmaru]

I think people don't quite understand that top-4 guys in general look like Miller. Orlov and Provorov are guys who bring some skills for sure but will have similar displays of 'WTF' moments. If they didn't, they would be top-pairing guys

Nah. Miller is good for a deer in the headlights mistake every game.

I mean, I wish it weren't true, but it is.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Roloson was playing out of his head also

That is true. Just can't remember a less likely group making it to the finals. Pronger was flat out mean in those days. Even when he just slashed your stick it vibrated hard in your hands.

 

[Harbour Dog]

He's a top 4 defenseman that's good for a couple of ECHL level mistakes per game. They're usually devastating and egregious.

If that were the case, he wouldn't be a top4 defenseman. His mistakes get greatly exaggerated in how egregious and frequent they are.

Not saying they aren't more frequent than an average top4 D; they likely are. But the team is better for having in the top4 (paired with Fox even, imo).

 

[haohmaru]

Pronger was an absolute monster in those playoffs. When I think of big game players, he's always the first defenseman that comes to mind.

Guys like that don't really exist anymore, in my opinion. The game and rules have changed to where it's very difficult to be that rough. I think Shae Weber is the last top pairing guy that still played that way. Can't think of any guy on that level now.

Pronger was a menace out there that players on the opposing team always know when he's on the ice.

Trouba was that to a much less extent.