Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[TGWL]

I don't need the nasty boys on the team. I just need players who backcheck and want to rub players off into the boards. I don't need the wham, bam, hockey hits. I just need players to use their body as a tool to create puck separation. The NYR thing to do is grab a plug with little NHL skill, force feed him minutes and call it addressing toughness. That's not what I want.

I want our defense winning races to the puck so they can actually retrieve and move the puck out of the zone, before getting rocked into the boards while tapping it backwards to arriving help.

I want our goaltending to be prepared to stop a puck.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't completely disagree with you but if we look at the 3 years prior to reaching UFA

Trochek
62 games - 38 p, 11g, 101 hits, 52.2% FO
47 games - 43 points, 17g, 107 hits, 56% FO
81 games, 51 points, 21g, 185 hits, 54.6% FO



Bennett
63 games, 40 points, 16g, 150 hits, 47% FO
69 games, 41 points, 20g, 173 hits, 45.5% FO
76 games, 51 points, 25g, 145 hits, 46.2% FO

Arguably, the 3-years leading up to UFA aren't THAT dissimilar.

Well 43 in 47 is clearly superior production to anything Bennett has ever put up. Weird Covid season sure, but it happened and it's not like Bennett did that in that season either.

Trocheck was and still is a true all situations player (5v5, 4v4, 3v3, 6v5, 5v6,PP, PK) along with being a more productive player despite not having a Matthew Tkachuk playing next to him in those years leading up to UFA. The stuff and things aren't something you can point to here either because Trocheck had/has them too (albeit different stuff and things.)

If theres a plus to signing Bennett, it would be that he can take some of those minutes away from Trocheck (who plays way too much) since there is some overlap in roles/responsibilities, but heading into UFA I don't think theres a question who the better player was.

I think the immediate portion of his contract would matter more as the Rangers don't have a f*** load of space (they aren't completely f***ed, but it's not abundant) and the cap won't really rise until the year after next. They need the bargain now, not later (where it's less likely that Bennett will even be one since we know how power forwards age.) This applies even if they move one of Zibanejad or Panarin in addition to Kreider.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well 43 in 47 is clearly superior production to anything Bennett has ever put up. Weird Covid season sure, but it happened and it's not like Bennett did that in that season either.

Trocheck was and still is a true all situations player (5v5, 4v4, 3v3, 6v5, 5v6,PP, PK) along with being a more productive player despite not having a Matthew Tkachuk playing next to him in those years leading up to UFA. The stuff and things aren't something you can point to here either because Trocheck had/has them too (albeit different stuff and things.)

If theres a plus to signing Bennett, it would be that he can take some of those minutes away from Trocheck (who plays way too much) since there is some overlap in roles/responsibilities, but heading into UFA I don't think theres a question who the better player was.

I think the immediate portion of his contract would matter more as the Rangers don't have a f*** load of space (they aren't completely f***ed, but it's not abundant) and the cap won't really rise until the year after next. They need the bargain now, not later (where it's less likely that Bennett will even be one since we know how power forwards age.) This applies even if they move one of Zibanejad or Panarin in addition to Kreider.

God points here.

I guess what I meant by the Bennet stuff was that I was originally adamantly against pursuing him but if he truly came in ~$6.5m and other moves were made (liquidate Zibanejad and Panarin into future assets), then I could be convinced of the merit there

 

[Vitto79]

this is another friggin moron who can kiss my ass

3 Rangers who should not be on the roster next season

Coming off their most disappointing season in over a decade, the New York Rangers are looking to recompose themselves and once again contend for the Stanley Cup

bluelinestation.com

Add me to the list I’d move all 3

Rempe is a circus
Brodz a good soldier but can use the roster spot on a Parsinnen
Soucy will give cap space for another LD

 

[IDvsEGO]

Add me to the list I’d move all 3

Rempe is a circus
Brodz a good soldier but can use the roster spot on a Parsinnen
Soucy will give cap space for another LD

Im with you on 1+2.
I think soucy might be better than we think with a good coach.

His numbers w Fox were very good in a small sample size and he’s cheap af m

 

[Machinehead]

God points here.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Add me to the list I’d move all 3

Rempe is a circus
Brodz a good soldier but can use the roster spot on a Parsinnen
Soucy will give cap space for another LD

Brodz had a surprisingly strong productive season. 12 goals in 51 games only playing 11 minutes a game.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think the team doesnt so much need to find more players but get the players they have to give a shit. Lafreniere being one, Zibanejad needs to stop sooking and play, Fox and Miller as well. Those guys, need to hit the gym and show up wanting to prove they are good enough. I personally think we have enough "jam" with Miller, Carrick, Othmann, Edstrom, Rempe, Borgan, Soucey, even Berard though he's small, as part of this team. The question is will all those guys make a difference in a positive way. The only way this team gets better is for the players we have to be better, and they should be, Lafreniere, Othmann Edstrom, Borgan, Zib, Kandre Miller, Trochek, Fox all need to be better next year. Unless that happens you basically need to burn this down, I dont think they have the appetite for that.

 

[MrAlmost]

Trocheck is better in every meaningful way compared to Bennett, especially when you factor in the outlandish amount of money Bennett is about to get. Bennett is younger though, but he rarely stays healthy all season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't need the nasty boys on the team. I just need players who backcheck and want to rub players off into the boards. I don't need the wham, bam, hockey hits. I just need players to use their body as a tool to create puck separation. The NYR thing to do is grab a plug with little NHL skill, force feed him minutes and call it addressing toughness. That's not what I want.

I want our defense winning races to the puck so they can actually retrieve and move the puck out of the zone, before getting rocked into the boards while tapping it backwards to arriving help.

I want our goaltending to be prepared to stop a puck.

Toronto was doing fine until they got sucked into playing Florida's game, now they can't get out of their way. A good team who stays focused can beat those types of teams

 

[Guyute]

Apparently Larkin and Yzerman aren’t getting along. Larkin had what the Rangers need: speed, puck possession, and decent defense.

Unfortunately most of the league would be interested so we probably don’t have the assets or cap space to acquire him.

 

[effen]

Apparently Larkin and Yzerman aren’t getting along. Larkin had what the Rangers need: speed, puck possession, and decent defense.

Unfortunately most of the league would be interested so we probably don’t have the assets or cap space to acquire him.

Th Red Wings have lit his entire prime on fire and have every intention of maybe possibly being a contender when he's 35.

He should attack Yzerman with a goalie helmet.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Larkin is incredibly overrated.

 

[Machinehead]

Larkin is incredibly overrated.

He was noticeable at the 4 Nations.

That's going to be more important than any stat or opinion for at least another year.

 

[Vitto79]

Brodz had a surprisingly strong productive season. 12 goals in 51 games only playing 11 minutes a game.

I think he’s descent it’s just an easy spot to add new blood

 

[Machinehead]

I think he’s descent it’s just an easy spot to add new blood

For the sake of it?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Apparently Larkin and Yzerman aren’t getting along. Larkin had what the Rangers need: speed, puck possession, and decent defense.

Unfortunately most of the league would be interested so we probably don’t have the assets or cap space to acquire him.

Unless we’re moving Mika for Larkin 1:1 it doesn’t work

 

[kovazub94]

Additionally, I'm not sure how accurate the model will be with the cap expected to rise tremendously the next few years after being relatively stagnant since 2018. You can say it's just basing off cap hit percentage but that's not really the right way to do it because with more available cap space for each team and only FAs to sign it's likely current UFAs get a higher cap hit percentage than they would have in previous years. Not to mention the players also know the projection is for the cap to go from 95M, to 104M, to 115M so if teams don't give them what they want they can certainly take a 1-2 year deal and then look to cash in when the cap is higher. A 6.5% cap hit over the next 3 years would be 6.2M, 6.8M, 7.5M. Is a player going to shortchange himself because of comparable from a different period when he knows that?

This is not additionally - this is exactly the point. @NYR Viper got his number from the model and my point was that number wasn't giving the proper answer (as it seems to work properly only when constrained by small cap increases rather than what's coming down the pike in the next few years).

 

[Levitate]

Brodz had a surprisingly strong productive season. 12 goals in 51 games only playing 11 minutes a game.

I've often criticized him but he did well down the stretch...

I just don't think going into the season relying on him in an important spot would be good. I could easily see him having a good stretch and then disappearing for 30 games

 

[eco's bones]

One thing about the cap going up and up and up. It's at least somewhat dependent on our economy projecting upwards as well. If we go into a recession or even worse the owners are very likely to pull the rug out from under it all just because their main concern is their own end. FWIW the players/teams will all be in the same boat pretty much but even so.......

 

[NickyFotiu]

I've often criticized him but he did well down the stretch...

I just don't think going into the season relying on him in an important spot would be good. I could easily see him having a good stretch and then disappearing for 30 games

You could be 100% right but last season I felt like he was one of only a few guys that outperformed his own expectations.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think he’s descent it’s just an easy spot to add new blood

I understand but if he could repeat that kind of production at his salary would it make sense to replace him?

 

[tlk]

For the sake of it?

For the sake of getting an upgrade to an NHL calbre centre. Who can do what centres do and that's more than skate and get off a few shots once in a while.
If not for that then yeah no point I guess.

 

[tlk]

Trocheck is better in every meaningful way compared to Bennett

The question is how the f do you even compare them.
Both are NHL centres I guess...

 

[Machinehead]

For the sake of getting an upgrade to an NHL calbre centre. Who can do what centres do and that's more than skate and get off a few shots once in a while.
If not for that then yeah no point I guess.

I think we could use a center that can skate and get off a few shots once in awhile.

I would upgrade that spot if I can but this reeks of plugging in a worse player because it's a different vibe.