Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Machinehead]

Also, if the implication is that the Rangers need to commit penalties every single waking moment of the game and try to injure opponents every night, then yes, I agree. We should do that more.

The tough thing about it is that the league seems to react to us for some reason. They already sent the message to Rempe that it took years to send to Wilson, which they still haven't sent to Bennett despite arguably being the worst of the bunch.

 

[duhmetreE]

Mika is 11th among centers in point production since 2019.

What about 5v5

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I guess but getting rid of mika contract wont be easy .

Nah, it's only this fan base that values our players so low. If anything i think everyone realizes there's an issue in ny since everyone that plays somewhere else all of a sudden plays well.

 

[80s Kid]

So 1C?

BEFORE the season started. Last time I checked, his season wasn't so hot. On a contending team, he's not a 1C.

I posted it mainly as a reference point, not necessarily saying I agree with everything but it's a good starting point.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Back in jan-feb when Mika was leading the team in xGF the argument from the haters was that fancy stats dont matter. He needs to produce real points. When presented with the fact that Mika since 2019 is 11th in scoring among centers, all of a sudden points dont matter.

He is virtually top 10 in his position amongst the best players in the world and we are still arguing if he ever was elite or not, or the more moronic idea some of you peddle that he never was 1C.

I am all for discussing him underachieving and not playing up to his standards, like all of that is fair but some of you have lost the plot completely. If he would have played to expectation he would be top 5 easily.

Think about it, with all the shit he gets and sometimes deservedly so, he is STILL top 10 in the league. He is that f***ing good.

He's currently the 3rd best center on ny, so much so they moved him to wing. I'm not as low in him as most but he's a long way down the list of top centers.

 

[Siddi]

He's currently the 3rd best center on ny, so much so they moved him to wing. I'm not as low in him as most but he's a long way down the list of top centers.

The coaching staff gave Soucy top minutes. No one in their right mind would take Trocheck over Zibanejad.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I’ll do it once im off work.
Just letting you know it wont be a problem.

(rest to be filled out with an edit later )

Mcdavid
Drai
Mackinnon
Matthews
Nylander
Tavares
Aho
Barzal
Byfield
Stutzle
Jarvis
Barkov
Lundell, A
Miller, jt
Trocheck
Petterson,E
Smith, W
Celebrini
Carlson (ana)
Mctavish
Kopitar
Danault
Bedard
Moore, oliver
PLD
Crosby
Malkin
Protus
Fantilli
Cozens
Pinto
Thompson, T
Cooley, L
Hayton, B
Schmaltz (don’t remember if he played C)
RoR
Donato
Geekie
Lindholm

You dont genuinely believe what you just typed lol. But I appreciate the effort.

 

[Machinehead]

Laviolette would play Trocheck the whole game if he could LMAO

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Go to nhl.com/stats. Select Centers using the past two seasons. 50 have over 100P. Bennet is not one.

I like him a lot in that next group of 50th-80th, though. That’s your 2C/3C tweeners. Middle 6 guys can totally stick on a 2nd line in the right situation, which he has this season. Put him on a random ass team, and he is not necessarily a 2nd line staple.

He was the 2C on the stanley cup champs! LOL. You are not to be taken serious if you call sam bennett a 3c

 

[Siddi]

BEFORE the season started. Last time I checked, his season wasn't so hot. On a contending team, he's not a 1C.

I posted it mainly as a reference point, not necessarily saying I agree with everything but it's a good starting point.

1st half yes, disaster. 2nd half, virtually PPG. That is a player every contending team would want.

 

[Siddi]

Laviolette would play Trocheck the whole game if he could LMAO

Like I said, Dumdum.

 

[80s Kid]

1st half yes, disaster. 2nd half, virtually PPG. That is a player every contending team would want.

Not as a 1C.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's the thing about Sam Bennett: he's overrated, he's gonna be overpriced, he's definitely a vibes guy, I don't wanna look at his ugly face for 82 games, and if he was on fire, I would pull up a rock and tell ghost stories.

One thing he's not is a 3rd liner.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Watched an interview with Craig Hodges (NBA). He said Michael Jordan never (not 1 single time) allowed anyone to beat him in suicide drills (running) in practice in all their years. I can't imagine any Rangers player being that hardworking in practices and that determined to win.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You dont genuinely believe what you just typed lol. But I appreciate the effort.

I think theres like 1-2 in there that maybe today I dont take ahead of Bennett, but most of them are above him. And I'm not done.
He's a shit. And people want him on the rangers because he's a shit. I get it. He's also never had more than 52 points in a season. And he's going to get in the 7-8 range.
Let me remind you of players currently making around 8m.

Jack Hughes
Matthew Beniers
Quinton Byfield
Lucas Raymond
Nick Suzuki
Brady Tkachuk


Now tell me Bennett is your choice over any of those players?

 

[Kendo]

He was the 2C on the stanley cup champs! LOL. You are not to be taken serious if you call sam bennett a 3c

I have said from the very beginning that he's a 2C/3C, or 2.5C. Jiminy Crickets, you're being a pedant.

There have been tandem or backup quality G's that were the starting goalies on Cup winners too.

 

[Siddi]

What about 5v5

Scoreboard doesnt discriminate. A point is a point.

But for the sake of the argument and transparency. Top 20 since 2019 in even strenght points. Still a 1C.

 

[mike14]

Watched an interview with Craig Hodges (NBA). He said Michael Jordan never (not 1 single time) allowed anyone to beat him in suicide drills (running) in practice in all their years. I can't imagine any Rangers player being that hardworking in practices and that determined to win.

probably says more about how shit the Wizards were that no-one could beat him at 40, with stuffed knees....

 

[NickyFotiu]

probably says more about how shit the Wizards were that no-one could beat him at 40, with stuffed knees....

I think this was as a Bull but at that time he had already won a ton of scoring titles, mvps, and rings. He just refused to lose even in practice to younger teammates.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He was the 2C on the stanley cup champs! LOL. You are not to be taken serious if you call sam bennett a 3c

a guy with literally one season above 50 points is above being called a 3c? he wouldnt play above trocheck or miller here so…

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m completely onboard with reinvigorating the roster to be more of a PIA to play against. It’s why I actually like the Borgen signing. He battles hard and plays a physical style of game. I really like the current group of depth forwards that are developing too.

In saying that, I’m not signing someone like Bennett long term for $7m+. That’s insane.

I saw that Frederic was slated for like a 4 year deal at around $3.5-4m per season. He hasn’t played full time center in a bit. Depending on the cost, I could see him as a fit depending on what other moves are made.

Ross Colton is another guy who plays hard. He didn’t play center much this season. He was scratched in Colorado.

Ryan Hartman is a guy who I wonder if he would be part of a ‘throw in’ should Minnesota be willing to entertain Zibanejad. He’s a PIA and a bit dirty. Could fill in at center.

Trevor Zegras has 1 year left before RFA and he’s making $5.75m. He has been pretty vocal in the fact that he wants to play center. Panarin to Anaheim and Zegras back makes sense. Zegras is from NY and he knows many of the Rangers American players. He trains with Prentiss I believe or somewhere locally in the offseason. Would Drury consider bringing him in to see how he gels with Sullivan? Especially given the fact that the team could use an influx of skill should Panrarin be traded?

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's the thing about Sam Bennett: he's overrated, he's gonna be overpriced, he's definitely a vibes guy, I don't wanna look at his ugly face for 82 games, and if he was on fire, I would pull up a rock and tell ghost stories.

One thing he's not is a 3rd liner.

For me personally, when I use the term 2/3C I’m stating what he is likely to be as his contract unfolds. He’s a quasi-2C today but in 3 years? How about 5 years? He’s likely to get a 7 year deal.

Someone do the quick math for me though, what would Trochek’s cap hit be today if we just factored in the cap increases? He’s on a sweetheart deal as the cap has increased. Perhaps I’m looking at this too hard based on past cap stagnation and should be more open to this.

I’m guessing, and someone will confirm I’m sure, that Teochek’s same percentage of cap would put him today at somewhere in the $7m range. So should we be afraid of signing someone (maybe not Bennett but someone) in that same range again?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I think theres like 1-2 in there that maybe today I dont take ahead of Bennett, but most of them are above him. And I'm not done.
He's a shit. And people want him on the rangers because he's a shit. I get it. He's also never had more than 52 points in a season. And he's going to get in the 7-8 range.
Let me remind you of players currently making around 8m.

Jack Hughes
Matthew Beniers
Quinton Byfield
Lucas Raymond
Nick Suzuki
Brady Tkachuk


Now tell me Bennett is your choice over any of those players?

Disingenuous argument by you here but youre well aware of that. How old were the aforementioned when they signed? did they have arb rights? And what % of cap was it? What was their point production when they signed?

 

[Guyute]

Scoreboard doesnt discriminate. A point is a point.

But for the sake of the argument and transparency. Top 20 since 2019 in even strenght points. Still a 1C.

Still a 1C, but one that you never win the Cup with. He’s worse in the playoffs because of his inability to get to the middle of the ice. He is below average at 50/50 pick battles. He also tends to get too fancy (think Blake Wheeler kamikaze easy-west pass vs Florida). It’s largely the main reason why the Caps only one Cup despite having the greatest goal scorer in the history of the sport. Stepan routinely outplayed Backstrom every playoffs.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I have said from the very beginning that he's a 2C/3C, or 2.5C. Jiminy Crickets, you're being a pedant.

There have been tandem or backup quality G's that were the starting goalies on Cup winners too.

Hes a 2C. There is no 2.5 or 3. Hes a 2C on the cup champs