Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[LaffyTaffy13]

If Bennett would take a 5 year deal, I'd be in on him

Zibs for Lindholm makes a lot of sense for us

Gonna take at bare minimum 7 X $7.75 to get bennett here. And id do it. Drury wont though because imo hes going after eichel as 1C next offseason and then bumping jt to 2c and trocheck to 3c. Dynamite down the middle

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Bennett would be goodrow signing only 10x worse.

Hes gonna get paid significantly more, and he’s not a guy capable of being more than a 3 or 4c

He’s great at what he does, but only works with limited ice time.

As you say “Hes a luxury”

Calling bennett a 3c or 4c is just beyond absurd.

 

[bleedblue94]

Calling bennett a 3c or 4c is just beyond absurd.

Hell of a goal by Bennett just now. People make so many claims without watching these players and they just expose themselves. It's comical.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Didnt Sykora put up a hat trick on France too? Our lads are killing those guys

That might have been a tune up game. Sykora has 1 assist so far and Slovakia hasn't played Franch yet. They play on the 14th.

 

[Crease]

Why is France playing hockey.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Hell of a goal by Bennett just now. People make so many claims without watching these players and they just expose themselves. It's comical.

Truly is. Bennett during his time with florida has played at a 60 point pace over 82 in playoff games.

The point of this sport is in fact to win when it counts right? Calling Bennett a 3c or 4c is HF as HF gets. Next we’ll hear that any first round pick in the future is worth more than going to an eastern conference final

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bennett is a top 6 forward on a team that may end up winning back to back cups.

He's going to get a bad contract but that doesn't mean that he's a bad player. The only team he'd be a 4C on is the Canadian national team.

 

[Kendo]

Calling bennett a 3c or 4c is just beyond absurd.

The 3C part isn't absurd. He's a 2C/3C.

He plays an entertaining brand of hockey. His contract is gonna be pretty bad. The signing team may even enjoy it for a couple years, but the back half is gonna be brutal.

 

[Siddi]

Here we go again. Lets pay a 40-50 point player 8mil just for the vibes. Excellent idea.

 

[mrmovies779]

Here we go again. Lets pay a 40-50 point player 8mil just for the vibes. Excellent idea.

I bet if he was Swedish,you would love the idea

 

[RangersFan1994]

Here we go again. Let’s pay a 40-50 point player 8mil just for the vibes. Excellent idea.

let’s pay some players 11 mil and 8 mil who tend to disappear when the games get little room and too physical in the playoffs. I’d prefer Bennett over Mika and Panarin if Im a playoff team.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The 3C part isn't absurd. He's a 2C/3C.

He plays an entertaining brand of hockey. His contract is gonna be pretty bad. The signing team may even enjoy it for a couple years, but the back half is gonna be brutal.

Calling him a 3C is utterly ridiculous. Hes a 2C and one of the most impactful players on a cup team who plays at a 60 point pace in the playoffs

 

[mas0764]

I really doubt that. Maybe the owners feel that way but I guarantee you anyone running a team is doing their best to put together a winning team with what they have to work with.

Well directives come from ownership, and that's kinda my point.

I don't think Drury is deliberately sabotaging attempts to win, I just think ownership gives him instructions on the parameters he has to work with. Ownership clearly lost stomach for an extended rebuild.

And that's just here.

Other places are clearly not trying to win, to a much larger degree than the Rangers, who I think have a prime directive to make the playoffs but that anything beyond that is gravy.

 

[mas0764]

If look at the young players coming through the system, I think it’s pretty evident that the next iteration of the bottom-6 and perhaps 1-2 top-6 complimentary guys are going to be higher energy, PIA players. Especially at forward.

The NHL team has Trochek, Miller and Cuylle already as well as Edstrom and Rempe.

Berard and Othmann should be NHL players next year.

Chmelar, Roobreck and Sykora all are players I would label as bringing some tenacity and physical play.

That’s not to say that Bennett wouldn’t be a good addition, cap hit and contract aside, but if we’re looking towards the future version of this team, allocating $7m in cap space to a guy who likely will be that 2nd/3rd line physical wing spot that may be better filled from within.

This organization doesn’t need a middle-6 winger. It’s got those on the way in what appears to be spades. It needs a couple of top-4 d-men

As always, the team needs top line/top pair scoring cornerstones, not middle six greasy plugs. It especially doesn't need to (and can't) pay those plugs when it has them in spades coming up the system and it lacks elite high end skill that it's gonna have to go find and import.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Here we go again. Lets pay a 40-50 point player 8mil just for the vibes. Excellent idea.

I'm not pushing to over pay Benny but to be fair I think he also out played most of our forwards in our playoff series.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'm not pushing to over pay Benny but to be fair I think he also out played most of our forwards in our playoff series.

Bennett is not a man, he’s a bishop for gods sake

 

[NYR Viper]

Truly is. Bennett during his time with florida has played at a 60 point pace over 82 in playoff games.

The point of this sport is in fact to win when it counts right? Calling Bennett a 3c or 4c is HF as HF gets. Next we’ll hear that any first round pick in the future is worth more than going to an eastern conference final

The guy can NOT stay healthy though. I'm willing to overlook a couple of injuries in a players past but Benner is hurt every year and misses significant time

That's just not someone I am willing to pay big money to.

 

[eco's bones]

FWIW regular season and playoffs are separate but without a good regular season (like happened this year) there's no playoffs at all. We can piss all over Panarin for his playoff numbers but if he's carried the team's offense throughout the regular season to get us into the playoffs that's kind of important whether you like it or not.

Most players do see some drop in production in playoffs......and it makes sense. There won't be any really weak competition to fatten up the stats. More than less it's the 16 best teams including the very best. The games are more intense and harder checking and the further a team goes their opponents get stronger.

The thing with someone like Sam Bennett who almost always has good playoffs is that kind of hockey is in his wheelhouse because he's a no apologies f***ing asshole. Would I want to pay him $8 mil for 7 years? Probably not but he's an alpha personality and to win it really helps to have somebody or 2/3 like that. Total don't give a f*** what it takes douchebags. You don't win Stanley Cups with nice teams.

 

[Machinehead]

Bennett is a real good even strength player. The issue with him, with the type of contract he's going to get, is that you're paying a premium for attitude and intangibles. I think it's possible to find a player just as good without paying extra.

Also, he's another forward who doesn't play defense, which profiles with what we already have too much of.

 

[McRanger92]

If Florida doesnt re-sign Bennett, the Oilers and Maple Leafs are going to be throwing themselves at him. I can't imagine a scenario where A. The Rangers have the top contract offer too him and B. He actually wants to come here and play with a bunch of losers.

Anyone trying to belittle the player he is just has an ax to grind. Let's be honest with ourselves.

 

[McRanger92]

We better pay him or somebody else will.

We should've traded for him 5 years ago like many of us advocated for, when he could've been had for nothing from Calgary. But Drury was far too patient with the roster he inherited.

 

[Machinehead]

If Florida doesnt re-sign Bennett, the Oilers and Maple Leafs are going to be throwing themselves at him. I can't imagine a scenario where A. The Rangers have the top contract offer too him and B. He actually wants to come here and play with a bunch of losers.

Anyone trying to belittle the player he is just has an ax to grind. Let's be honest with ourselves.

If we signed Bennett, I'd kinda just look at it like we got a good center who can do some stuff. That makes the team better. I think there are other good centers who can do some stuff that won't have the same type of bidding war.

Some will view him as a transformative player who add the elements we're missing, but to me, the Rangers aren't a different attitude away from winning the Cup. We need to get better at some things.

 

[McRanger92]

If we signed Bennett, I'd kinda just look at it like we got a good center who can do some stuff. That makes the team better. I think there are other good centers who can do some stuff that won't have the same type of bidding war.

Some will view him as a transformative player who add the elements we're missing, but to me, the Rangers aren't a different attitude away from winning the Cup. We need to get better at some things.

The attitude adjustment move was JT Miller. He should be able to give us what Bennett does with more production and probably the same AAV. Don’t really want to triple down on aging centers.

 

[Siddi]

Most players do see some drop in production in playoffs......and it makes sense. There won't be any really weak competition to fatten up the stats. More than less it's the 16 best teams including the very best. The games are more intense and harder checking and the further a team goes their opponents get stronger.

Most players dont get payed 11mil. And the ones that do get payed that kind of money dont see the same drop off in production that Panarin does come playoffs.

 

[NYR Viper]

The attitude adjustment move was JT Miller. He should be able to give us what Bennett does with more production and probably the same AAV. Don’t really want to triple down on aging centers.

That attitude adjustment needs to come from multiple spots but I'd argue that if they just let their young players play and develop they'll have this. Othmann is a PIA to play against. Let him play.