Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Fitzy]

We wish it will be more, but it's likely the only major move is Kreider for prospects/picks and repurpose that cap space for a LD like Gavrikov.

I think they explore a K. Miller Trade though with the surgery i think that complicates things a bit.

Would love to add Peterka but I don't see a deal working out unless it's for Schneider or K. Miller if they think he can shift to the right side. They won't want to do a Laff for Peterka deal because if they are moving Peterka, it's because they don't want to pay him what he's going to get.

Panarin is the big question and it's quite the conundrum. He has one year left and he's 34 while having a very large cap hit. If you trade him, you are going to get a very good return but none of the pieces you are getting back will fill the void he leaves and there is no one in the organization that is able to do that. Now if you wisely use that cap space and return, you could add some serious quality depth to the roster, though the Rangers would 100% be taking a step back skill wise.

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Parssinen - Edstrom - Othmann
Berard - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Kaliev

Garikov - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen
Vaak

Love the enthusiasm and adding a LD but I’d bet the house that a roster with that third line doesn’t get out of the first round. It’s borderline indistinguishable from the fourth

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Love the enthusiasm and adding a LD but I’d bet the house that a roster with that third line doesn’t get out of the first round. It’s borderline indistinguishable from the fourth

With the cap space they have now (plus that with trading Kreider and hopefully not retaining/taking a contract back) they only can fix one of the two major holes, the D or 3rd line. To me the D was the biggest issue especially towards the end of the season. With Shesh and a solid three pairs in front of him is how I'd go. Im a big believer in building from the net out (though i was/am against the contract that Shesh got).

I think it gives Edstrom a chance to shine. In watching him play over the years and before he got hurt, I think he has the attributes to be a very good 3rd line center.

Another option is exploring that K. Miller for Peterka trade, which would give you the below forward lines but the D will have another hole.

Laff - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Peterka
Cuylle - Edstrom - Othmann
Parssinen - Carrick - Rempe
Berard/Brodz

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

First judging Panarin because of his historical RS 1.5 (how many Rangers ever reached that level even in the highest scoring eras?) went to smidge under PPG in playoffs is such an obvious bias manipulation only folks who don’t understand how to manipulative statistics could be will buy.

BTW let’s look at his linemates. Would you allow that career seasons for Trocheck and Lafreniere ( still their combined points were just slightly more than Panarin’s alone for context of what 1.5 ppg means) were in big part due to what Panarin did? But why these were so “low” compared to 1.5 from Panarin - they were his linemates, no? Because it’s hockey and one’s contributions to goals scored while on the ice don’t translate into points every time. So especially in a small sample would it be incomprehensible that Trocheck going to 1.25 +0.3 or Lafreniere going to 0.9 +0.2 was with Panarin’s contribution?

It's not bias manipulation, its what happened. The only one who has tried to manipulate anything in this convo is SA16 and what ever that contextless BS was on the last page.

I'd say that Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreinere all benefitted each other during the regular season (they all had career years.) 2 of those guys continued to trend upwards, 1 didn't and thats been the norm for Panarin in the post season. Going from nearly 1.5 to a smidge under 1 is a massive drop off and right in line with what he's done in the playoffs as a Ranger.

I'd be willing to write it off if it were a one off but he's led this team in scoring every single season he's been here. He's yet to do it in the playoffs (and he hasn't even been close in any of the 3.)

Overall picture? He's been out paced by Zibanejad and Kreider too. Whats the excuse there? Those guys have actually drawn the tough matchups. This isn't some kind of random instance of bad luck where he's just not converting on things that were working for him in the regular season, he just isn't capable of elevating his play in a playoff environment for long enough to really be a driving force.

Already covered why Trocheck and Laf were able to continue to be productive in the playoffs and Panarin wasn't. It had nothing to do with him. Those guys were willing/able to get to the middle of the ice and/or just create something themselves. Artemi couldn't.

Like someone else said, we don't need to white wash his playoff history here. It's been massively disappointing and one of the bigger factors as to why they haven't been able to get beyond the ECF. In fact it's been one of the 2 negative constants in both runs.

I hope they actually bite the bullet and move on from him this summer. LA is a great spot for him.

 

[Siddi]

Who is first? JT or Bread?

Bread

 

[Mac n Gs]

I wonder if Panarin would consider waiving for Anaheim now that Quenneville is their coach. Verbeek said their goal was to bring in a coach to add 10 more wins. Henry Samueli recently said that the rebuild was a long and painful process, and that it’s time for them to take the next steps towards being a playoff contender. He also said that Verbeek won’t have to pinch pennies anymore and that he’ll have support to do what it takes to make them into a good team; no stupid contracts, but spend smart and you’ll have support.

Anaheim has accumulated so many picks and prospects, and they won’t be able to keep/pay them all. Most of their key positions are checked, but they got absolutely clownpounded under Cronin - 3rd fewest goals for, 4th most goals against. Quenneville’s run n’ gun style will suit them with the puck moving ability on the backend and speed they have up front. I don’t think it will be enough as is to make it better with what’s there now. I don’t know how it’s even possible, but their powerplay% over the last two years is 15%. Fifteen. Percent. PK was a disaster too.

For the framework of their org (I’m sure I’ll miss some):

G: Dostal was very impressive last year and John Gibson has been there for 50 years

C: Leo Carlsson and Mason McTavish are both studs. Lunderstrom and Strome are there as the bottom-6 Cs.

W: Troy Terry is very underrated. Zegras has so much skill, but we know that Verbeek has discussed trading him before. The Cutter Gauthier trade was a slam dunk. I like Sam Colangelo and Vatrano. Beckett Sennecke is gonna be a player.

LaCombe and Mintyukov are studs. They have Zelleweger and Stolberg too. Their RD is Gudas and Trouba.

Could something be worked out for Panarin for one of those D and a few other pieces? I’m assuming this would be revisited if they miss out on Marner or Boeser. I could see the Rangers liking Stolberg for his size and skating combo. Maybe get Zegras and try flipping him to Buffalo for Peterka?

Panarin can reunite with his buddy Strome and get his cookies on the powerplay. He’ll help juice the offense and get to enjoy the beach and sunny weather on off days.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I wonder if Panarin would consider waiving for Anaheim now that Quenneville is their coach. Verbeek said their goal was to bring in a coach to add 10 more wins. Henry Samueli recently said that the rebuild was a long and painful process, and that it’s time for them to take the next steps towards being a playoff contender. He also said that Verbeek won’t have to pinch pennies anymore and that he’ll have support to do what it takes to make them into a good team; no stupid contracts, but spend smart and you’ll have support.

Anaheim has accumulated so many picks and prospects, and they won’t be able to keep/pay them all. Most of their key positions are checked, but they got absolutely clownpounded under Cronin - 3rd fewest goals for, 4th most goals against. Quenneville’s run n’ gun style will suit them with the puck moving ability on the backend and speed they have up front. I don’t think it will be enough as is to make it better with what’s there now. I don’t know how it’s even possible, but their powerplay% over the last two years is 15%. Fifteen. Percent. PK was a disaster too.

For the framework of their org (I’m sure I’ll miss some):

G: Dostal was very impressive last year and John Gibson has been there for 50 years

C: Leo Carlsson and Mason McTavish are both studs. Lunderstrom and Strome are there as the bottom-6 Cs.

W: Troy Terry is very underrated. Zegras has so much skill, but we know that Verbeek has discussed trading him before. The Cutter Gauthier trade was a slam dunk. I like Sam Colangelo and Vatrano. Beckett Sennecke is gonna be a player.

LaCombe and Mintyukov are studs. They have Zelleweger and Stolberg too. Their RD is Gudas and Trouba.

Could something be worked out for Panarin for one of those D and a few other pieces? I’m assuming this would be revisited if they miss out on Marner or Boeser. I could see the Rangers liking Stolberg for his size and skating combo. Maybe get Zegras and try flipping him to Buffalo for Peterka?

Panarin can reunite with his buddy Strome and get his cookies on the powerplay. He’ll help juice the offense and get to enjoy the beach and sunny weather on off days.

They do have an obscene amount of cap space $39M with 16 players signed. They need to re-up MacTavish and Dostal, which combined will eat into about $10M. They could take on his whole contract with no issues.

I highly doubt he waives to go there though, Stanger things have happened.

 

[80s Kid]

Bread

As a Ranger I believe JTM had more points than Zib. Counting JTMs production from VAN is not apples-to-apples but if you want to go down that road, knock yourself out. I'll take JTM all day long over Zib.

Again, this isn't personal. I want Zib to be great and would love to be able to be positive about him but I can't unsee what he did the first half of the season. Even when he was putting up points, he leaves you wanting more because we know what he's capable of. Maybe he really is just in decline due to age but he does not battle for pucks and play a solid defense game.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin is going to have huge year under Sullivan and look to cash in for one last score next summer. I’m sure in his mind he can just sign wherever he wants next summer instead of upending his life for year.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Don't see a World Championship thread. Garand got the start for Canada against Slovenia, he got an 11 save shutout in the 4-0 win.

 

[Vitto79]

I’ve asked this but want to make sure
If Garand signs 1 yr AHL 2nd yr NHL
Can he go through waivers next year with no claim

 

[surlysailor]

I’ve asked this but want to make sure
If Garand signs 1 yr AHL 2nd yr NHL
Can he go through waivers next year with no claim

Why would he sign an ahl deal? He’s an rfa ending a 2 way nhl contract. Plus if he’s signed to an ahl only deal it means he’s open to sign an nhl 2 way contract with any team. As for waivers I believe he will need to go through waivers next season. He might get claimed but a lot of teams have similar prospects and unless they have injuries most teams will have a starter & back up in place before the season begins.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I’ve asked this but want to make sure
If Garand signs 1 yr AHL 2nd yr NHL
Can he go through waivers next year with no claim

Rangers would definitely sign him to a NHL contract, probably 1 way at this point which is fine. He is waivers exempt next season. If puckpedia.com is to be believed, he has 2 more seasons being waivers exempt.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Rangers would definitely sign him to a NHL contract, probably 1 way at this point which is fine. He is waivers exempt next season. If puckpedia.com is to be believed, he has 2 more seasons being waivers exempt.

I literally just texted a buddy wondering if the team deals him this summer. He has outgrown Hartford, but he has no spot in NYC next season.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I literally just texted a buddy wondering if the team deals him this summer. He has outgrown Hartford, but he has no spot in NYC next season.

I agree. I question the Quick re-signing. This upcoming season would have been great to see what the team has in Garand as the backup to Shesh and get 20-25 games.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I agree. I question the Quick re-signing. This upcoming season would have been great to see what the team has in Garand as the backup to Shesh and get 20-25 games.

Like every other brain dead decision Lavi made this season, there's no excuse for not giving him a start or two to see what he looked like against NHLers.

 

[Vitto79]

Rangers would definitely sign him to a NHL contract, probably 1 way at this point which is fine. He is waivers exempt next season. If puckpedia.com is to be believed, he has 2 more seasons being waivers exempt.

Jon cool I figure he’s the backup after next year

 

[Siddi]

As a Ranger I believe JTM had more points than Zib. Counting JTMs production from VAN is not apples-to-apples but if you want to go down that road, knock yourself out. I'll take JTM all day long over Zib.

Again, this isn't personal. I want Zib to be great and would love to be able to be positive about him but I can't unsee what he did the first half of the season. Even when he was putting up points, he leaves you wanting more because we know what he's capable of. Maybe he really is just in decline due to age but he does not battle for pucks and play a solid defense game.

Weird post but ok. You go ahead and pick JT all day. No one said you couldnt.

JT had a whopping 2 points more in his 32 games with the team.

32 games played.
JT: 35 Points
Mika: 33 Points

 

[80s Kid]

Weird post but ok. You go ahead and pick JT all day. No one said you couldnt.

JT had a whopping 2 points more in his 32 games with the team.

32 games played.
JT: 35 Points
Mika: 33 Points

Because you're constantly posting about Mika being #2 in points (among other things) and it's a loaded statement.

 

[Siddi]

Because you're constantly posting about Mika being #2 in points (among other things) and it's a loaded statement.

Loaded statement?

Me "constantly" reminding people is because people keep posting stupid statements wanting to limit the icetime of the teams 2nd best scorer. There is not a single coach who will look at this roster and come to the conclusion that Zibanejad should be moved down in the line up.

 

[kovazub94]

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I hope they actually bite the bullet and move on from him this summer. LA is a great spot for him.

As you probably noticed I normally don’t react to your Panarin posts or at least I try. To this point if the Rangers can secure a high end player to replace Panarin - I’m not going to cry but if not, I’m personally for keeping him for another couple of years before he’s to return to Russia

 

[JohnC]

I don’t see any real point to keeping Panarin. Whatever you want to argue, it’s pretty clear you can’t win with him being your team’s highest paid and best offensive player.

If the point is to turn the page on the post-Hank era of Kreider/Zibanejad/Trouba then that should mean turning the page on Panarin too. If the former three are a part of the “failed core” then the latter most definitely is too.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Did anyone see The Point last night before the Florida-Toronto game on ESPN with Chris Pronger? He was discussing how the Maple Leafs defense is built for the playoffs. Brad Treliving has added defenseman with good size. OEL is 6-2. Chris Tanev is 6-3. Brandon Carlo is 6-5. Simon Benoit is 6-4. This guy is the ideal 6th D in the NHL. Treliving inherited Morgan Reilly and Jake McCabe. They are 6-1. Except for OEL, all of them weigh more than 200 pounds. That's the formula for success.

PK Subban was also on the set and he commented about the top D on a team can't get pushed. The Rangers top D is barely 5-11.

Craig Berube is a great coach. The Leafs are able to defend.

Matthew Knies has been great for Toronto. A big bodied winger who can play with the Big 4. I watching the CBC/Sportsnet feed of Ottawa-Toronto series one night and former Red Wings coach Derek Lalonde was an analyst during the intermissions. He was discussing Knies who was a late bloomer. Knies never played for the US Program teams. He played minor hockey in Arizona and then played in the USHL before going to Minnesota. What a terrific player Knies has become for Toronto.

I remember reading about Knies when the Leafs selected him in the 2nd round in 2021. The Rangers director of player personnel and scouting director John Lilley picked Knies when he was running the Leafs drafts.

Chris Drury can learn a few things from the Leafs. Mike Sullivan will try to get the Rangers to defend. The Rangers D group needs to be rebuilt.

If Mika wants his kid to have a big yard, Minnesota has big yards. Zucarrello was two kids. He loves living in Minnesota. His kids call Kaprizov "Uncle Kiril". Maybe the Zibanejad and Zuccarello kids can play together.

The neighbours could call them the ZZ Tots.