Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[RangersFan1994]

salary retention on 5 years... for a 2nd round pick.

Unless pasta or McAvoy is coming the other way at 50%... no f'ing way.

Mika for a 2nd, sure the cap space is valuable. Not an issue.
But retaining on 5 years doesn't happen.

He is just so overpaid and worthless when not scoring

 

[IDvsEGO]

He is just so overpaid and worthless when not scoring

And yet retaining for 5 years isn’t worth it. You could probably get rid of him (if he waives) for no retention.
So why the f would we retain?

 

[Overcast]

Bruins fan here Bruins need a center badly and seems mika and rags are parting ways. Wondering if a 2nd round pick with some salary retention would do the trick maybe 30 percent? Bruins have an extra second round pick this season.

They are not.

Also, wtf kind of offer..? A 2nd round pick for Mika straight up and Rangers retain?

Counter offer of a 6th rounder in 2029 for Pasta retained 50%.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Bruins fan here Bruins need a center badly and seems mika and rags are parting ways. Wondering if a 2nd round pick with some salary retention would do the trick maybe 30 percent? Bruins have an extra second round pick this season.

Make it a first and you have a deal.

 

[DolansKazoo]

Can the Rangers send Mika to Hartford? I understand they'd be responsible for his full cap hit...If I was Drury, and I was allowed, I'd send him there. He'd waive soon enough.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bruins fan here Bruins need a center badly and seems mika and rags are parting ways. Wondering if a 2nd round pick with some salary retention would do the trick maybe 30 percent? Bruins have an extra second round pick this season.

Counter

Zibanejad at full capacity hit for Hampus Lindholm + 2nd

The teams swap players they may be disappointed in. The Rangers could reallocate their money to LD. Bruins reallocate to center.

 

[bleedblue94]

At least we have one player that's prepared to win.

This is exactly why I laughed at people saying Miller was a cancer that Vancouver needed to get rid of. People targeting the wrong player in that mess, hell even the coach called out ep for not coming to camp is great shape. Ep is very much like laffy with all the potential and in good shape by standards of normal people but by the standards of an elite athlete not so much.

 

[SA16]

Can the Rangers send Mika to Hartford? I understand they'd be responsible for his full cap hit...If I was Drury, and I was allowed, I'd send him there. He'd waive soon enough.

Good luck convincing your boss, the owner, that it makes sense to send down the teams second leading scorer this past year while still paying him his full salary.

And no, it's not possible regardless.

 

[majordomo]

Can the Rangers send Mika to Hartford? I understand they'd be responsible for his full cap hit...If I was Drury, and I was allowed, I'd send him there. He'd waive soon enough.

No. He's got a full no movement clause..

 

[haohmaru]

This is exactly why I laughed at people saying Miller was a cancer that Vancouver needed to get rid of. People targeting the wrong player in that mess, hell even the coach called out ep for not coming to camp is great shape. Ep is very much like laffy with all the potential and in good shape by standards of normal people but by the standards of an elite athlete not so much.

The trade was a complete no brainer. We gave up nothing to get him.

 

[eco's bones]

No. He's got a full no movement clause..

yep---can't send a player with a full NMC to the minors or at least without his approval which you wouldn't get.

 

[The don godfather]

Make it a first and you have a deal.

Kinda expensive with that long expensive contract.

 

[The don godfather]

Counter

Zibanejad at full capacity hit for Hampus Lindholm + 2nd

The teams swap players they may be disappointed in. The Rangers could reallocate their money to LD. Bruins reallocate to center.

Deal . Maybe 20 percent retention? That contract is quite heavy.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Deal . Maybe 20 percent retention? That contract is quite heavy.

We'll also throw in Mika's Webster, whether you like it or not. They're tied at the hip.

 

[NYR Viper]

Deal . Maybe 20 percent retention? That contract is quite heavy.

I don't think either team wants to retain for that long honestly. That's why the deal works

 

[NickyFotiu]

Kinda expensive with that long expensive contract.

Mika isn't just a hockey player. You get his DJing abilities thrown in as well!
1st round pick from you. We will send back a 3rd.

 

[Siddi]

I don't particularly care if Mika leaves, what i do care is that he's used properly, pk1, 3c,pp2. Having Miller, Trochek, Mika, Carrick down the middle is a nice luxury. Move Kreider, promote some kids, give Robertson some time to get his feet wet in the nhl, play Zone d, get some new looks on the pp, better breakout and it's a good team.

I dont see how demoting the teams 2nd best scorer is proper usage.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I dont see how demoting the teams 2nd best scorer is proper usage.

Who is first? JT or Bread?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Counter

Zibanejad at full capacity hit for Hampus Lindholm + 2nd

The teams swap players they may be disappointed in. The Rangers could reallocate their money to LD. Bruins reallocate to center.

Lindholm is okay, but if I am the Rangers, I rather have Zadarov.

 

[DolansKazoo]

No. He's got a full no movement clause..

Ahh ok thank you. Didnt realize that included sending him to the minors as well.

 

[Fitzy]

I dont see how demoting the teams 2nd best scorer is proper usage.

What is most pertinent is his points as a function of ES time on one to be honest. Mika scored 60 but I have to imagine guys like Cuylle look closer when we account for for ice time discrepancies.

That said, if Mika is on Millers wing I feel confident he’d score well enough. He won’t be as good shorthanded without Kreider though

 

[kovazub94]

Panarin's production f***ing drops through the floor in the playoffs. Lets just use last year as a base line -

Trocheck
RS - 0.94 PPG
PS - 1.25 PPG (+0.31)

Lafreniere
RS - 0.70 PPG
PS - 0.88 PPG (+0.18)

Panarin
RS - 1.46
PS - 0.94 (-0.52!!!)

Expecting him to produce at 1.46 in the playoffs is unfair, but there no reason for him to drop off by half a point a game plus when both of his line mates produced at a higher rate in the playoffs than they did in the regular season.

Overall, RS to PS Panarin's difference as a Ranger is -0.51 so this isn't an outlier driven by a massive regular season. This is par for the course with him and I don't see how that isn't a problem.

First judging Panarin because of his historical RS 1.5 (how many Rangers ever reached that level even in the highest scoring eras?) went to smidge under PPG in playoffs is such an obvious bias manipulation only folks who don’t understand how to manipulative statistics could be will buy.

BTW let’s look at his linemates. Would you allow that career seasons for Trocheck and Lafreniere ( still their combined points were just slightly more than Panarin’s alone for context of what 1.5 ppg means) were in big part due to what Panarin did? But why these were so “low” compared to 1.5 from Panarin - they were his linemates, no? Because it’s hockey and one’s contributions to goals scored while on the ice don’t translate into points every time. So especially in a small sample would it be incomprehensible that Trocheck going to 1.25 +0.3 or Lafreniere going to 0.9 +0.2 was with Panarin’s contribution?

 

[Fitzy]

The only reason to send Mika to Hartford would be locker room morale/distraction anyways, since there is no cap reward any more and for all of his issues he’s far, far superior to other options that we currently have.

I suggested Kreider for Lindholm but Mika makes some sense too. You’re just putting a lot on Lindholm to be the real top pairing guy he was expected to be, again.

Free agency of course with some of the left defensemen there is intriguing, but given what Chych got in this market I’d expect the couple 1B/2A types there to have the bidding start at 8x8.5, and go up from there. Which CAN happen for the rangers but that’s a big investment and I hope they vet the player properly for that kind of term.

 

[kovazub94]

Bruins fan here Bruins need a center badly and seems mika and rags are parting ways. Wondering if a 2nd round pick with some salary retention would do the trick maybe 30 percent? Bruins have an extra second round pick this season.

Haha, to not look embarrassingly ridiculous on other team’s board in this instance you could check what heavily discounted JTM who had even bigger falling out with his organization, no retention and only wanted to come to NY cost the Rangers then figure out what it would take for an in-conference trade.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

We wish it will be more, but it's likely the only major move is Kreider for prospects/picks and repurpose that cap space for a LD like Gavrikov.

I think they explore a K. Miller Trade though with the surgery i think that complicates things a bit.

Would love to add Peterka but I don't see a deal working out unless it's for Schneider or K. Miller if they think he can shift to the right side. They won't want to do a Laff for Peterka deal because if they are moving Peterka, it's because they don't want to pay him what he's going to get.

Panarin is the big question and it's quite the conundrum. He has one year left and he's 34 while having a very large cap hit. If you trade him, you are going to get a very good return but none of the pieces you are getting back will fill the void he leaves and there is no one in the organization that is able to do that. Now if you wisely use that cap space and return, you could add some serious quality depth to the roster, though the Rangers would 100% be taking a step back skill wise.

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Parssinen - Edstrom - Othmann
Berard - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz/Kaliev

Garikov - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen
Vaak