Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[haohmaru]

I think it was the difference between a 3 year rebuild and a 5 year rebuild.

The way their draft picks turned out it would've been a 10 year rebuild.

 

[haohmaru]

Relevant or not he had just signed off on a rebuild. Seeing how the Knicks have been handled over the last 5 years (a team he cares about way more) I think it’s safe to say that he would have had the stomach to sit through one with the Rangers.

I don’t think he would have cared if he went to the Isles unless he went there and they ended up winning (which was something many people here were worried about.) after seeing how he’s performed in the playoffs here we should have let him go there but that’s off topic.

Meh, I think he "signed off on a rebuild" thinking UFA's like Panarin would never get to free agency. If there were another "letter" tomorrow and McDavid is available in July 2026 are you avoiding him because of a piece of paper if he wants to play for you?

I think not. Players like Panarin don't get to free agency very often and, when they do and want to play for you, things change.

 

[Riche16]

JD basically said he was young enough to be part of the rebuild and too big of a "free" agent to pass up. Ie.. an asset that wouldn't cost anything besides money.

This is true, BUT signing him didn't allow for a true bottom out rebuild & while hindsight is 20/20 etc
Many of us didn't want him & wanted to bottom out & build through the draft.

Would that have been better? Who knows? But we know the half assed part didn't.

 

[haohmaru]

This is true, BUT signing him didn't allow for a true bottom out rebuild & while hindsight is 20/20 etc
Many of us didn't want him & wanted to bottom out & build through the draft.

Would that have been better? Who knows? But we know the half assed part didn't.

Dolan would never go for a "bottom out" rebuild. It doesn't work more often than it does.

 

[Riche16]

Dolan would never go for a "bottom out" rebuild. It doesn't work more often than it does.

Understood

But I'd like to see us try.

Every team in the playoffs are not only better than us on the ice now, but they'll be better than us next season also.

It's time to start thinking differently than the NYR have been thinking.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So you would've preferred to be bad for 2 more years, move up a few spots in the draft and prayed you hit a lotto ticket? No thanks. Id prefer to go to ecf 2 of 3 years than intentionally stink

Wouldn’t have even need to hit the lotto.
1-2 centers drafted in the middle /late first round.
Selling on strome rather than being a self rental.
Trading ada instead of the deal we did before he lost ALL his value.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Dolan would never go for a "bottom out" rebuild. It doesn't work more often than it does.

It works when you commit.
Chicago.
Pittsburg
Kings

All won multiple cups by bottoming out.

It still requires luck, the right lotto picks available, and then good drafting elsewhere.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Wouldn’t have even need to hit the lotto.
1-2 centers drafted in the middle /late first round.
Selling on strome rather than being a self rental.
Trading ada instead of the deal we did before he lost ALL his value.

How have the two best teams in the east in florida and tampa been built? Hint, its not the draft. Intentionally being horrific for an extended period of time hoping to hit the jackpot with 18 year olds is insane

 

[IDvsEGO]

How have the two best teams in the east in florida and tampa been built? Hint, it’s not the draft. Intentionally being horrific for an extended period of time hoping to hit the jackpot with 18 year olds is insane

let’s see
Barkov
Ekblad
Lundell
Seems like they filled out 3 big needs with the draft/rebuild.

They also bought real low on a few players, who were high draft picks but under performed.
Reinhart, Bennett are perfect examples. Both high firsts who ended up under performing, and then being key members of a cup team.


Let’s look at Tampa.
Point
Stamkos
Kucherov
Cirelli
Hedman


All drafted. Centers and defense.

 

[haohmaru]

It works when you commit.
Chicago.
Pittsburg
Kings

All won multiple cups by bottoming out.

It still requires luck, the right lotto picks available, and then good drafting elsewhere.

Rangers had 8 firsts in 4 years, a 1OA, a 2OA a 7OA AND Panarin. That’s not “committed”? Give me a break.

 

[haohmaru]

It still requires luck, the right lotto picks available, and then good drafting elsewhere.

Rangers went 0-3 here.

 

[effen]

Rangers had 8 firsts in 4 years, a 1OA, a 2OA a 7OA AND Panarin. That’s not “committed”? Give me a break.

The hindsight is a little ridiculous. Blaming not bottoming out assumes bottoming out would be the reason all those draft picks wouldnt under perform.

News flash: Kakko and lias still wouldn't have fixed their skating, kravtsov would still be a beanpole, nils would still be small slow and weak, laf still wouldn't move his feet, KAM would still be a terrible passer, etc.

The impediments are largely physical or skill based. That wouldnt get better with 4 mins more a night. Just like if you played me 20 mins a night I wouldn't develop 100 MPH slapper.

 

[jaywills1020]

Rielly can run a power play. OEL can back him up.

Fox runs our power play. Right now we don't have a guy to back him up. K'Andre Miller is not very good at it and no Jones hasn't proved all that much as an offensive player and he's another little guy. I don't see the point to bringing him back for another year really. He's a Nils Lundkvist comparable and Dallas does just fine when Nils isn't in their lineup. There are no D in Hartford with any real offensive ability. Dorrington, Fortescue and Emery are all stay at home types and none of them have shown at any level that they can be guys who can run a power play. After Fox we're without throughout the organization. Skint. Nada. Zero.

A good team has to have a D that can run a power play.

Apart from that I have no problem finding big physical stay at home guys to fill out the roster right down to the 7 spot and your top call ups. If they can play the bigger, the meaner, the better. And yeah Toronto has done a good job here. Florida, the Lightning, the Caps did pretty much the same when they won Cups. It's a proven to work formula for winning Stanley Cups. It's also why sometimes these teams repeat or make several runs......because they've figured that out.

Let’s be realistic here. We don’t need a back up PP quarterback because the second unit only gets 15 seconds of ice time.

 

[MrAlmost]

The first 3 quarters of basketball are absolutely awesome. The last quarter makes it completely unwatchable.

There is no set way to build a cup team beyond have talent. Talented top fowards, talented D, good goalie. Just good. If the other guys are good enough, that goalie won't see much anyways. You can get talented players in any way. Teams that have won have drafted, signed, traded for and claimed them. You need to know what you are looking for though. Do the Rangers know what they are looking for? I don't know that they do. Hire Vally!

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

let’s see
Barkov
Ekblad
Lundell
Seems like they filled out 3 big needs with the draft/rebuild.

They also bought real low on a few players, who were high draft picks but under performed.
Reinhart, Bennett are perfect examples. Both high firsts who ended up under performing, and then being key members of a cup team.


Let’s look at Tampa.
Point
Stamkos
Kucherov
Cirelli
Hedman


All drafted. Centers and defense.

no even tries to argue florida was built through the draft lol. They dont have a pick til the 4th round this year. Tampa doesnt have a 1st til like 2029 i believe. Should they have not signed kunitz? Not have traded for hagel? Should they just have sucked?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

It works when you commit.
Chicago.
Pittsburg
Kings

All won multiple cups by bottoming out.

It still requires luck, the right lotto picks available, and then good drafting elsewhere.

Theres a wholeeeeee lot more teams it didnt work for. Whole lot more. You conveniently ignore this.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Meh, I think he "signed off on a rebuild" thinking UFA's like Panarin would never get to free agency. If there were another "letter" tomorrow and McDavid is available in July 2026 are you avoiding him because of a piece of paper if he wants to play for you?

I think not. Players like Panarin don't get to free agency very often and, when they do and want to play for you, things change.

Well yeah if McDavid becomes available you do what you can to sign him.

Panarin is/was not McDavid. Theres a pretty substantial gap between the 2 of them that grows even wider when you consider playoff performance (McDavid is top 3 in pt/g all time, Panarin isn't even top 3 on the NYR since he's been here.)

I don't know how anyone can aruge that he's worked out with the knowledge that hindsight provides. Maybe a hard rebuild wouldn't have worked any better (we will never know) but we know that the Panarin era hasn't worked out. There are several reasons for that, but he's probably been the biggest reason why.

 

[Guyute]

no even tries to argue florida was built through the draft lol. They dont have a pick til the 4th round this year. Tampa doesnt have a 1st til like 2029 i believe. Should they have not signed kunitz? Not have traded for hagel? Should they just have sucked?

I mean I agree with you, but Florida did draft Barkov, Huberdeau, and Ekblad at 2, 3, and 1 overall respectively. I know Huberdeau is long gone, but his 100+ point season was good enough to trade for Matthew Tkachuk. Point is that two of their cornerstone pieces came through the draft lottery.

 

[Mugless]

Dolan didn't even bother to show up to the press conference today. Merely introducing the new head coach. No biggie.

 

[n8]

It works when you commit.
Chicago.
Pittsburg
Kings

All won multiple cups by bottoming out.

It still requires luck, the right lotto picks available, and then good drafting elsewhere.

LA's "bottoming out" haul was Dustin Brown at 11, Doughty at 2, Kopitar at 11, Quick at 72 so mark that up as good drafting.
Then good trades. They sent a (this feels tough to write) "at his prime" Jack Johnson to get Jeff Carter. The Justin Williams acquisition. Richards for Schenn and Simmonds was another big brave acquisition.

Pittsburgh and Chicago definitely got more of that bottoming out boon.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Dolan didn't even bother to show up to the press conference today. Merely introducing the new head coach. No biggie.

It happens every two years, so it's not a big deal. He'll be at the next one in 2027.

 

[tlk]

I mean I agree with you, but Florida did draft Barkov, Huberdeau, and Ekblad at 2, 3, and 1 overall respectively. I know Huberdeau is long gone, but his 100+ point season was good enough to trade for Matthew Tkachuk. Point is that two of their cornerstone pieces came through the draft lottery.

Yet drafting Barkov seems to have happened in another life. Might be another lesson to learn here..

 

[surlysailor]

With Anaheim hiring Q, could that make it more likely that Panarin would waive to Anaheim? Iirc I remember people saying Panarin loved playing for Q, and it reunite him with strome, Trouba & Vatrrano. Would something like Zegras(I’d prefer mctavish but seems like Z is was rumored to be moved & Ana prob prefer to move the cap hit), & solberg be the basis of a deal?

 

[eco's bones]

let’s see
Barkov
Ekblad
Lundell
Seems like they filled out 3 big needs with the draft/rebuild.

They also bought real low on a few players, who were high draft picks but under performed.
Reinhart, Bennett are perfect examples. Both high firsts who ended up under performing, and then being key members of a cup team.


Let’s look at Tampa.
Point
Stamkos
Kucherov
Cirelli
Hedman


All drafted. Centers and defense.

Kucherov was a late 2nd. Cirelli and Point were both 3rd rounders. The point is that it was really really good drafting but also there's a lot of luck involved when you get top players like that that far down in a draft......and happening twice in such a short time is about the equivalent of someone getting hit by Lightning (excuse the pun). You can't really depend on that kind of luck. It's almost as if God looks down upon you and smiles. Another team taking Kucherov before 58 and Tampa probably doesn't have any Cups. Also I'd mention that Vasilevskiy was a 1st going against the grain of those who think taking a goalie in the 1st is insane.

 

[haohmaru]

Well yeah if McDavid becomes available you do what you can to sign him.

Same for Panarin.

Panarin is/was not McDavid. Theres a pretty substantial gap between the 2 of them that grows even wider when you consider playoff performance (McDavid is top 3 in pt/g all time, Panarin isn't even top 3 on the NYR since he's been here.)

I don't know how anyone can aruge that he's worked out with the knowledge that hindsight provides. Maybe a hard rebuild wouldn't have worked any better (we will never know) but we know that the Panarin era hasn't worked out. There are several reasons for that, but he's probably been the biggest reason why.

The comparison wasn't between Panarin and McDavid specifically but when a franchise player becomes available for a signature, instead of assets, you do it.

Not sure why you're as down on Panarin as you are, but he's lived up to whatever the expectations were signing him. He's going to be a top 10 scorer in franchise history in playing for this club for 7 years. That's astounding. Whatever is wrong with the Rangers, it's not Panarin.