Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Machinehead]

How many conference finals has he been to? 3rd place MVP finishes? 2nd highest point total in team history in a season?

Jury is still out on this one. Love the guy but he's not there yet.

There's also in the too early too call sweepstakes:

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Brunson has a 5th place MVP finish and the 3rd highest scoring season as a Knick. It's not that much of a difference.

He averages 6.6 more PPG in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. That's a difference.

 

[Tob]

What a punishing presser. Just more kale in the meat service counter.

 

[JohnC]

Nah it’s been the MO of the people who were involved.

Gorton did it in Boston (Chara, Savard) and JD supported it in Columbus (Gaudreau RIP.)

Dolan had no idea who Panarin was before he signed here. This isn’t a guy who follows the sport religiously.

I find this dubious at best. He was a marquee free agent that summer, played for an original 6 team coming off of 3 Cups, and Columbus’ big name player who had billboards begging him to stay going viral on social media.

 

[haohmaru]

Dolan had no idea who Panarin was before he signed here. This isn’t a guy who follows the sport religiously.

Dolan has to give the green light for all of Drury's moves financially. Of course he knew who Panarin was.

JD:

"Look, you can't do this stuff unless you have absolute understanding from everybody in the organization. That starts with the ownership," Davidson said.

Those two guys were fired, in part, because of what happened to Panarin - a game that Dolan attended.

Saying Dolan "had no idea" is, no offense, sounding like someone who's just making it up.

 

[Tob]

take off your outer clothes and step onto the scale mike, i need to know how much you weigh and what you plan on doing about it

 

[haohmaru]

Brunson has a 5th place MVP finish and the 3rd highest scoring season as a Knick. It's not that much of a difference.

It's not 3rd and it's not 2nd.

He averages 6.6 more PPG in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. That's a difference.

Understood - however basketball is far more focused on marquee players and short squads. 8 players played last night. 6 had really significant minutes.

I give him full credit for being a gamer at playoff time. Last year was hard to watch in the end because of how hurt he was and how he was hurt even further on the last play of the season.

But, if we're being truthful (especially the last couple of seasons) if Panarin isn't going our offense isn't going and Florida keyed on him (he had good scoring numbers until the FL series) and the that was the end of that. If two guys are watching your every move you need a three point shooter to free him up. The Rangers don't (or haven't) had that for the last couple of years against the REALLY sound defensive teams. But, you know this.

Also, Brunson's body of work is much smaller at this point.

And, to put this into perspective, I haven't watched the Knicks since Spreewell was on the team. Brunson single-handedly made me watch basketball again. He's an awesome clutch player. Love the guy. Period. Let's let the legacies get a little older.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Are you advocating for rebuild since you called bringing Marner repeating Panarin mistake?

I’ve been advocating for at least one year of bottoming out.
If you move panarin, ck, and fingers crossed Mika.
You potentially get a lot of both draft capital and prospects.
You also have a lot of production to replace.

And a very very good 26 draft.

 

[n8]

I'd take Marner for Panarin's spot

You know Dolan is eyeing McDavid in 2026 so Drury isn't going to go big fish shopping this summer.

 

[noncents]

so kreider is gone?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Saying Dolan "had no idea" is, no offense, sounding like someone who's just making it up.

As is the assumption that Dolan ordered it.

As far as the marketing effort and sales pitch with billboard and him having to sign off on stuff? Yeah no shit, that’s how it goes, but still very much an after the fact thing.

Feel pretty confident in saying that the didn’t mandate anything or that he had any clue who he was before the FO brought it to his attention. I didn’t make that clear, so my bad on that end.

The actions of the people in charge? This is very much what they do.

You weren’t saying this, but him being a part of the blackhawks after their success doesn’t make him a featured player that a casual observer would know. This isn’t Patrick Kane.

 

[LOFIN]

Anyone who acts like panarin was a mistake is not to be taken serious. Again, hes the best free agent signing in new york sports in the past 100 years. People dont even argue that statement

Well, I mean there is obviously the argument that they should've kept on rebuilding instead of chasing the big fish. On the other hand, when superstar talent like that is available, especially without asset cost, you should always go after that.

Would it have made sense to sign Panarin, but keep on rebuilding otherwise? I don't know if half assing it would've helped either, if you got Panarin in his prime you are realistically not going to be one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[haohmaru]

As is the assumption that Dolan ordered it.

"Ordered" isn't a word I used. I said it would help you keep your job and keep your owner happy. Dolan likes to be relevant. He likes marquee names. Can you imagine if he signed with the Islanders?

As far as the marketing effort and sales pitch with billboard and him having to sign off on stuff? Yeah no shit, that’s how it goes, but still very much an after the fact thing.

Feel pretty confident in saying that the didn’t mandate anything or that he had any clue who he was before the FO brought it to his attention. I didn’t make that clear, so my bad on that end.

You're certainly free to believe that. I don't.

The actions of the people in charge? This is very much what they do.

You weren’t saying this, but him being a part of the blackhawks after their success doesn’t make him a featured player that a casual observer would know. This isn’t Patrick Kane.

Panarin is/was a top 20 player in the world. Pretty sure Dolan would know that given that he was coming to market. I don't think the guy is completely oblivious.

 

[haohmaru]

Well, I mean there is obviously the argument that they should've kept on rebuilding instead of chasing the big fish. On the other hand, when superstar talent like that is available, especially without asset cost, you should always go after that.

Would it have made sense to sign Panarin, but keep on rebuilding otherwise? I don't know if half assing it would've helped either, if you got Panarin in his prime you are realistically not going to be one of the worst teams in the league.

JD basically said he was young enough to be part of the rebuild and too big of a "free" agent to pass up. Ie.. an asset that wouldn't cost anything besides money.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

"Ordered" isn't a word I used. I said it would help you keep your job and keep your owner happy. Dolan likes to be relevant. He likes marquee names. Can you imagine if he signed with the Islanders?

Relevant or not he had just signed off on a rebuild. Seeing how the Knicks have been handled over the last 5 years (a team he cares about way more) I think it’s safe to say that he would have had the stomach to sit through one with the Rangers.

I don’t think he would have cared if he went to the Isles unless he went there and they ended up winning (which was something many people here were worried about.) after seeing how he’s performed in the playoffs here we should have let him go there but that’s off topic.

 

[mike14]

take off your outer clothes and step onto the scale mike, i need to know how much you weigh and what you plan on doing about it

96kg
Eat more peanut butter...

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Panarin can be the best free agent the rangers have signed, and a mistake.

Dollars to production he was immensely successful.

In terms of short circuiting a rebuild, in terms of type of player. Panarin was a mistake.

Acting like being horrific for a decade is better than a 3 year rebuild is wild

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

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Let see him first make a single conference final before we crown him

 

[IDvsEGO]

Acting like being horrific for a decade is better than a 3 year rebuild is wild

I think it was the difference between a 3 year rebuild and a 5 year rebuild.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Well, I mean there is obviously the argument that they should've kept on rebuilding instead of chasing the big fish. On the other hand, when superstar talent like that is available, especially without asset cost, you should always go after that.

Would it have made sense to sign Panarin, but keep on rebuilding otherwise? I don't know if half assing it would've helped either, if you got Panarin in his prime you are realistically not going to be one of the worst teams in the league.

Whats the idea of not signing panarin? So we could be bad for a few more years? Move up a few slots in a crap shoot draft? Have more young guys play minutes they didnt earn? Be the blackhawks? Be the devils for a decade? Yeah, no thanks

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I think it was the difference between a 3 year rebuild and a 5 year rebuild.

So you would've preferred to be bad for 2 more years, move up a few spots in the draft and prayed you hit a lotto ticket? No thanks. Id prefer to go to ecf 2 of 3 years than intentionally stink

 

[Machinehead]

Let see him first make a single conference final before we crown him

He doesn't get to ride goaltending to series wins like Panarin. That's illegal in basketball.

 

[Machinehead]

Heard they made @Leonardo87 the pope.

Right choice.

 

[Leonardo87]

Heard they made @Leonardo87 the pope.

Right choice.

 

[Riche16]

frustrating if it goes down that this group who seemed like they could have been beloved Rangers lore ends up being the ones everyone hates because of last season. Whatever else was going on it feels (to me)that this group put themselves above the Rangers team as a concept and were more interested in being buds and playing together than being rangers and winning

I mean you can def take this beyond "Rangers lore"

This team quit. Top to bottom quit & not JUST on the coach.

SO, what you have is a bunch of guys, some with a long storied history here, some just getting started, some in the middle... all making huge $ and they QUIT

They quit on the team that they went into battle with, quit on the franchise that treated them like kings, quit on the fans & quit the town.

The black eye they've brought to themselves for this is something I personally will never forget.

When Kreider's #20 goes up... there will be no tears here. No tears of joy or sadness or of what might have been.

I'll be smirking at the almost absurdity of his entitlement & utter LACK of character.

This past season's team should be called The Blackshirts forever for what they did.

Sorry. End rant.

 

[haohmaru]

He doesn't get to ride goaltending to series wins like Panarin. That's illegal in basketball.

"illegal" is part of why I stopped watching basketball. Intentionally fouling at the end of games to try to win games drives me absolutely nuts.