Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Laf caught plenty of heat here, deservedly so. especially after he put his feet up when he signed that new contract, because he was off to a great start. There's a player there if he starts moving his feet and playing with that edge again. But the Rangers are going to be pressed against the cap and he's got value to other teams for the same reasons I mentioned. Would anyone blame management if they looked to move him? Lafreniere really has no one to blame but himself. In some ways I feel like he'd welcome a change of scenery.

I think it'd be a mistake. Yes, he had some struggles this season, but the reality is that the season was more streaky than anything so horrible, in terms of production. A lot of the overall drop-off was a symptom of teamwide issues which, yes, he was a part of.

23-24 vs 24-25
5v5: 42-40 (2.04-1.98 p/60)
PP: 6-4
With EN: 5-0
Against EN: 3-1
OT: 1-0

His 5v5 scoring was basically the same. He did have 2 long goal droughts, compared to just 1 the year before, which is why I say he was streakier. And yeah, there was a difference in the eye test quality of play. He's a young guy who just signed a big contract, feeling like he can be part of the core of the team, putting pressure on himself to do so, but can't quite figure out where exactly he fits in. So he ends up playing a bit directionless.

That's not a player you trade. That's a player you help get there.
 
If they wilted then did McDavid wilt in the finals last year when he was held scoreless over Edmonton's last 2 games despite nearly setting the playoff record for most points in a single run? Is it because he isn't as good as Florida's top guys even though he has the 3rd highest playoff pts per game ever?


Yes, McDavid did wilt. Just like Panarin wilted.

Being a higher-level player doesn't insulate you from coming up short in the biggest moments (see Panarin) just like being a lower-level player doesn't mean you can't have the elite run of your life (see ROR).

But come on, play the odds.

Post-letter, we have had one forward of the caliber that might be able to swing a series like that and he failed. If we had three of those types, maybe they would have succeeded where he did not. That's what Tampa had. They have two Cups because of it.

Counting on Kreider to carry you instead of a legit star is like hoping you hit the lottery.

See how ridiculous that sounds? (Eichel went pointless in gs 6 and 7 vs Dallas last year. Did he wilt?)

I think the bigger issue is that the other guys (see: the other 6 players in the top 9 and really the other top 6 line) didn't do enough. Would have been the perfect time for Panarin to step up and actually take over for a few games (mind you, this was actually a pretty decent series for him and probably his 2nd best overall as a Ranger. Some will point to Pittsburgh but I'll point you to the 290302939023902309293 turnovers he had in that series. I remember how it ended, but I also remember everything that happened before that) instead of being just okay.

The aforementioned duo of Kreider-Zibanejad literally gave them a 2-0 lead in G3 after lighting them up in g1. They more than did their part in that series.

Tampa didn't exactly fill the net with pucks the rest of the way either. Games 5 and 6 were 2-1 games IIRC (or basically 2-1 games.)

It's not ridiculous, the support players shouldn't be counted on to take over games. You need horses and ours have lost out to better players time and again.

I'm not saying the black holes aren't a problem, they are. But it's also clear our core isn't really good enough. Tampa's outclassed us. Florida's outclassed us. Colorado's surely would have in 2022. Dallas would probably run us out of the gym with their group if they are healthy.

Absent a trade to bring in an Eichel or two, what we needed at the very least was Lafreniere and Kakko to turn into 70-80 point capable players.

And as I always feared, that didn't happen in time before the older core aged out (and frankly at this point probably never will happen as Kakko is already gone and Lafreniere doesn't look like that caliber player).
 
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Anyone have access to this Molly article?

I want it to be SCATHING, he needs to have a fire lit under him. In exits he sounded motivated, but I want him embarrassed to do anything less than next level preparation for next season. He'll be 24 and that "young player" reasoning will be drying up, and completely gone for his 25 year old season... Time is NOW.
 
Big fan of a 1 year prove it deal for K'Andre. Josh Khalfin (idk if you're here but youre a great follow on twitter) put it out there that Sullivan should be able to make him a more offensive Marcus Pettersson and I love the comparison. Both sides should like that. Rangers need to be frugal and KAM has a chance to wipe away the disappointment and cash in next summer with the cap increasing even more. Cuylle is the guy to extend long term if the Rangers decide to go that route. He could easily be a 60-70 point player with top 6 minutes and PP time.
Big fan of shopping him aggressively
 
Perhaps. Not sure I want him on the power play though.

I also don't think he has a ton of upside at this point.

Which is still a great outcome for us, but I think this is probably what he is, other than, I expect he'll have outlier seasons here or there, yeah, maybe he'll hit 60 once.

But I think he's a 40-50 point guy.

Which again, A+ for a second round pick and very nice to have as a 22 year old plug and play middle sixer.
Very few 22 year olds are a finished product... and even fewer 22 year old big physical power forward types are a finished product... I'd bet on him being more than he was last year. Not saying he'll be a star, but 60-65 points in his prime years? f*** yeah, I can see that.
Tom Wilson at 22 years old: 82 games 7G 12A for 19pts 239 hits 12:56 ATOI
Will Cuylle at 22 years old: 82 games 20G 25A for 45pts 301 hits 15:05 ATOI
Cuylle still has a lot of runway.
 
Very few 22 year olds are a finished product... and even fewer 22 year old big physical power forward types are a finished product... I'd bet on him being more than he was last year. Not saying he'll be a star, but 60-65 points in his prime years? f*** yeah, I can see that.
Tom Wilson at 22 years old: 82 games 7G 12A for 19pts 239 hits 12:56 ATOI
Will Cuylle at 22 years old: 82 games 20G 25A for 45pts 301 hits 15:05 ATOI
Cuylle still has a lot of runway.
Not only was Wilson not a huge scorer, his underlying numbers SUCKED. He really developed a lot.
 
Do we have what it takes to land Owen Power?

KAM Fox
Power Borgen

Assuming Schneider will be in the package

Schneider, Kreider and our 1st. Is that close? Probably not
 
Very few 22 year olds are a finished product... and even fewer 22 year old big physical power forward types are a finished product... I'd bet on him being more than he was last year. Not saying he'll be a star, but 60-65 points in his prime years? f*** yeah, I can see that.
Tom Wilson at 22 years old: 82 games 7G 12A for 19pts 239 hits 12:56 ATOI
Will Cuylle at 22 years old: 82 games 20G 25A for 45pts 301 hits 15:05 ATOI
Cuylle still has a lot of runway.
Cuylle is untouchable as it gets on this team IMO

Every single team in this league would have extreme interest in him. He should be given a long term deal
 
Very few 22 year olds are a finished product... and even fewer 22 year old big physical power forward types are a finished product... I'd bet on him being more than he was last year. Not saying he'll be a star, but 60-65 points in his prime years? f*** yeah, I can see that.
Tom Wilson at 22 years old: 82 games 7G 12A for 19pts 239 hits 12:56 ATOI
Will Cuylle at 22 years old: 82 games 20G 25A for 45pts 301 hits 15:05 ATOI
Cuylle still has a lot of runway.

60-65 points for him would virtually make him an untouchable player and basically grant him unicorn status.

He would be one of less than a half dozen players in this league who put up those kinds of numbers (or better) while playing his style of game.
 
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yea which is why people need to give rempe a f***in chance. he showed enough improvement between last season and this season to warrant some patience
I think almost everyone is ready to give him a chance after this season. Myself included. I was a doubter but he proved me wrong. He's learning to play within the rules 95% of the time and has sneaky good hands. His play in front of the net also improved. He's earned a solid spot on the 4th line imo, could improve enough to bump to 3rd line eventually.
 
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It's immaterial to me whether Cuylle gets good PP time or not. That's why we have 5v5 stats at our disposal.

Matter of fact, inflating his numbers is just chum for his agent.

I just want him to round out the edges in his game. He played a little bit more dumb when he started hanging around with the top six. I want to eradicate that entire tendency team-wide as I touched on yesterday.

Challenging him to be even better before we roll out PP1 time as a reward might not be a bad thing.
 
Do we have what it takes to land Owen Power?

KAM Fox
Power Borgen

Assuming Schneider will be in the package

Schneider, Kreider and our 1st. Is that close? Probably not
He suffered a pretty serious injury at the end of the season, so there’s a caveat with acquiring him. He’s expected to be ready at the beginning of next year, but I could easily see him becoming a whipping boy in short order as someone with a huge contract and high expectations.

If Drury was actually close to acquiring JJ Peterka like Lavoie and Seravalli alluded to, I’d be interested in expanding it to a larger deal to get Power too. Who knows with Kevyn Adams though.
 
He suffered a pretty serious injury at the end of the season, so there’s a caveat with acquiring him. He’s expected to be ready at the beginning of next year, but I could easily see him becoming a whipping boy in short order as someone with a huge contract and high expectations.

If Drury was actually close to acquiring JJ Peterka like Lavoie and Seravalli alluded to, I’d be interested in expanding it to a larger deal to get Power too. Who knows with Kevyn Adams though.

I don't really want Power until I see what the rest of this staff looks like.

Power needs the guidance of someone who really knows what they're doing with defensemen.
 
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Do we have what it takes to land Owen Power?

KAM Fox
Power Borgen

Assuming Schneider will be in the package

Schneider, Kreider and our 1st. Is that close? Probably not
Not sure why Buffalo trades a RD for another RD that could be viewed as a downgrade. Maybe Kreider and a 1 are enough to sway them though. I think Drury should focus more on LD.
 
I don't really want Power until I see what the rest of this staff looks like.

Power needs the guidance of someone who really knows what they're doing with defensemen.
PIT’s best defensive years were when Jacques Martin was on the bench with Sullivan, but he’s an advisor now for Ottawa, and I doubt he wants to deal with a full season of coaching again. This is where Drury needs to get Dolan to throw a bag at Jay Leach if he doesn’t get named a HC this cycle. He does an amazing job coaching dmen, which is why Seattle was so successful a few years ago. Sullivan knows him from when he was the head coach in the AHL.

Make him the highest paid assistant coach. I think Toronto did that when they pilfered Dean Chynoweth from Carolina.
 

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