Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[majordomo]

I'd be fine with it too. The other option is LTIR, which I do think he would be amenable to if the circumstances were right. But anything that would give us a chance to recoup some value would be better.

Don't you have to provide valid medical evidence of an injury in order to LTIR someone?

 

[McRanger92]

Will cuylle just posted a 20G/25A year without any PP time. All while setting the franchise record for hits. If he was on PP1 people would start comparing him to brady tkachuk

Im there already. Brady has a mentality that is unique to him that provides intangible value but I was calling Will "Captain Cuylle" all year for a reason. The only guy who played the same way night in and night out. I think you wouldve seen more of the mean streak if his teammates bought in more. Hes a 60-70 point player with the top PP unit. Loved him on JT Miller's wing as well.

 

[Tob]

Fine.

@Tob you're the worst.

I know of at least 3 people here that are worse than I am.

 

[Vito Andolini]

I think he got boosted by having a good end to his year.
Before Christmas though he really did look like an AHL player. Couldn't do anything right, fumbling all over the place, bad defense, lookedlost.

The point is that you can't have that guy playing like that for half the year if you're relying on him for production. You need someone who's gonna put up points and play at least decently well all season long.
If he does that going forward, then great, but we can't have a guy bumbling around the ice, botching the powerplay, and say "that's ok he scored some points later in the season"

and he has been bad lately about slow starts. That's gotta stop.

Boosted or not...he was 2nd on the team in scoring. It's a simple point.

And there's no argument here....a productive Mika is better than a non productive Mika.... but again:
1. You really need his production because we're just not a very deeply talented team

2. You can take up whatever issues you have with his game, as legitimate as they might be, but his contract is signed. He has his NMC. Getting him out of here will not be easy, and may not be very fruitful.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Don't you have to provide valid medical evidence of an injury in order to LTIR someone?

Yes, but if you look at what a team like Toronto has done over the last 4ish years, it can't be that difficult. It seems like they just send any guy they want to LTIR Island.

Or what Tampa and Vegas have done in regular seasons lately.

I'm sure they have all the documentation in order, and there was some injury to be documented in the first place, but it's not like the league has their own doctors who are double-checking claims.

 

[Kupo]

I know of at least 3 people here that are worse than I am.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Alright PP2 just got set up hopefully they look for a quality scoring cha—
Trouba:

(Stephen A Smith randomly appeared on General Hospital)

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I’m sorry but sports is about winning and losing. A player who sits out because hes mentally stressed is just not that kinda guy I want to pay 6 x $6. Youre paid to play, compete and win

As I said, saying you don't want someone who has these issues is one thing, I don't like Mika's proneness to what looks like depression but mocking him is out of line.

 

[Levitate]

Boosted or not...he was 2nd on the team in scoring. It's a simple point.

And there's no argument here....a productive Mika is better than a non productive Mika.... but again:
1. You really need his production because we're just not a very deeply talented team

2. You can take up whatever issues you have with his game, as legitimate as they might be, but his contract is signed. He has his NMC. Getting him out of here will not be easy, and may not be very fruitful.

No, I'm saying you can't rely on that guy if he's only ognna show up half the year. I don't want his 60 point production if half of that is being forcefedpowerplay minutes on a bottom 3rd of hte league powerplay and the rest of the time he's getting caved in at even strength and is a net detriment to the team

e: because that production IS replaceable if that's what we're getting.

 

[pld459666]

I’m sorry but sports is about winning and losing. A player who sits out because hes mentally stressed is just not that kinda guy I want to pay 6 x $6. Youre paid to play, compete and win

With whom are we discussing?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Surprised their hasn't been a rumors or rumblings about the coaching.

 

[Machinehead]

I find it odd that people like to downplay Cuylle's upside. Why? He can skate, hit, play PK well, protect the puck. He's got a hard low shot that can beat goalies. He doubled his production between his rookie and sophomore years with negligible power play time. Doesnt turn 24 until next February. He's pretty untouchable to me as far as non-pipe dream trades go. I wouldnt include him in a trade for Brady Tkachuk

Now you're cooking!

 

[Vito Andolini]

No, I'm saying you can't rely on that guy if he's only ognna show up half the year. I don't want his 60 point production if half of that is being forcefedpowerplay minutes on a bottom 3rd of hte league powerplay and the rest of the time he's getting caved in at even strength and is a net detriment to the team

e: because that production IS replaceable if that's what we're getting.

Again...I think we both agree his play should be better. Where we disagree, is that I don't see the options for better replacements.

His ESP/60 was ranked 4th amongst our scoring forwards (behind Miller, Panarin, & Cuylle). I dont think that's easily replaceable in the situation that we have with our roster inflexibility and subpar prospect pool.

The point I'm making is that he's not a free agent here. He's already signed to a big contract. Pretending we can just walk away or simply choose to spend the money on another player and replace his production is very wishful thinking.

Also, he didn't get 50% of his points from the pp.

 

[McRanger92]

Surprised their hasn't been a rumors or rumblings about the coaching.

There seem to be a lot of rumors about the coaches of teams still playing being fired. Cooper, Bednar, DeBoer. I think everyones waiting.

 

[Homelander]

I know of at least 3 people here that are worse than I am.

Save the feather in your hat. It's no big honor to be better than Chris Drury, Peter Laviolette and Phil Housley.

 

[Homelander]

Surprised their hasn't been a rumors or rumblings about the coaching.

Loose lips sink ships. Or in Drury's case, make players block trades.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

How did his offense decline if he had the best pts/60 of his career at 5v5? The PP, yes. At 5v5? No.

How do we know that your eyesight didn't decline and maybe your eye test is less reliable now?

LMFAO

 

[TGWL]

Dylan Larkin bickering with Yzerman has my attention. Meeka for Larkin in a problem for problem deal? Rangers have long been rumored to like Larkin. Storied history of Swedes in Detroit could be a selling point for Zibanejihad.

I can't see why Detroit would do that. Larkin is only 28 years old. In the last 8 seasons, Zibaenjad has broken 30 goals, twice. Larkin has just put up 4 straight 30 goal seasons. Rangers would have to really add here even in a problem for problem scenario. You're not getting a Larkin back for Zibanejad right now.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Will cuylle just posted a 20G/25A year without any PP time. All while setting the franchise record for hits. If he was on PP1 people would start comparing him to brady tkachuk

You are probably just saying Will did not play much on the PP. Just to be accurate Will had to have some PP time because I'm sure he scored at least 2 of his goals on the PP. He is not Brady nor Cam at this point in time but he had a really good season.

 

[mrmovies779]

Now you're cooking!

I would turn you into a human sled,throw Cuylle on you,and bring both your asses to Ottawa for Brady....and I'm not even a huge Brady fan..but I make that trade every day and twice on Sunday

 

[NickyFotiu]

I can't see why Detroit would do that. Larkin is only 28 years old. In the last 8 seasons, Zibaenjad has broken 30 goals, twice. Larkin has just put up 4 straight 30 goal seasons. Rangers would have to really add here even in a problem for problem scenario. You're not getting a Larkin back for Zibanejad right now.

I would be willing to add. That would be a trade to help build around.

 

[Machinehead]

I would turn you into a human sled,throw Cuylle on you,and bring both your asses to Ottawa for Brady....and I'm not even a huge Brady fan..but I make that trade every day and twice on Sunday

Listen, that sounds like fun, but Cuylle outscored him at 5v5 this past year.

And it wasn't close. Scored goals, 1st assists, and 2nd assists all at a much higher rate.

In fact, Brady has had only two seasons in the NHL where he was a better 5v5 scorer than Will Cuylle in 24-25 and those were close.

I know me hating Brady is a meme, but in all honestly, I kinda feel like Brady is just Will Cuylle if he played 19 minutes a game with PP1 time, and sucked slightly less at defense (which Cuylle can learn).

 

[Richard Banger]

Don't you have to provide valid medical evidence of an injury in order to LTIR someone?

You say that like it’s a hard thing to do.

 

[mrmovies779]

Listen, that sounds like fun, but Cuylle outscored him at 5v5 this past year.

And it wasn't close. Scored goals, 1st assists, and 2nd assists all at a much higher rate.

In fact, Brady has had only two seasons in the NHL where he was a better 5v5 scorer than Will Cuylle in 24-25 and those were close.

I know me hating Brady is a meme, but in all honestly, I kinda feel like Brady is just Will Cuylle if he played 19 minutes a game with PP1 time, and sucked slightly less at defense (which Cuylle can learn).

Fair points...but I still turn you into a human sled just because

 

[NickyFotiu]

The goal should be adding Brady to the NYR with Will. Not swapping them.