Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Machinehead]

Dylan Larkin bickering with Yzerman has my attention. Meeka for Larkin in a problem for problem deal? Rangers have long been rumored to like Larkin. Storied history of Swedes in Detroit could be a selling point for Zibanejihad.

Not trying to fight you here -- just a legitimate observation for which I'm open to a response: Mika is blackballed for criticizing management in exit meetings, but Larkin is attractive for criticizing management in exit meetings (not saying you said that but people will think that).

Mika is not a guy you win with. Larkin, not counting a cup of coffee as a teenager, has never played a playoff game.

Mika is not the kind of 1C we talked about yesterday. Neither is Larkin.

You mentioned problem for problem, so if this is just a change of scenery type of deal, I get it, but is it not fair to say that this feels a bit 'grass is greener?'

 

[majordomo]

Dylan Larkin bickering with Yzerman has my attention. Meeka for Larkin in a problem for problem deal? Rangers have long been rumored to like Larkin. Storied history of Swedes in Detroit could be a selling point for Zibanejihad.

I suspect being in NY is a lot more important to Zib than the "history of Swedes in Detroit."

 

[Do you want ants]

Not trying to fight you here -- just a legitimate observation for which I'm open to a response: Mika is blackballed for criticizing management in exit meetings, but Larkin is attractive for criticizing management in exit meetings (not saying you said that but people will think that).

Mika is not a guy you win with. Larkin, not counting a cup of coffee as a teenager, has never played a playoff game.

Mika is not the kind of 1C we talked about yesterday. Neither is Larkin.

You mentioned problem for problem, so if this is just a change of scenery type of deal, I get it, but is it not fair to say that this feels a bit 'grass is greener?'

I know you didn’t ask me, but I’m good with that problem for problem trade. They seem to produce fairly similarly 5v5 and it would add a forward that’s good at transporting the puck with speed and we get slightly younger in the process.

 

[Machinehead]

I know you didn’t ask me, but I’m good with that problem for problem trade. They seem to produce fairly similarly 5v5 and it would add a forward that’s good at transporting the puck with speed and we get slightly younger in the process.

Larkin can definitely fly, so that's something.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Kandre has sat out for “mental health” hes a puppy. He’ll never be a dog. Cares more about fashion and feelings than winning and competing.

This take is so f***ing backwards... You can not want a player that has mental health issues because it might manifest itself in how he plays but to mock him for it so f***ing out of line.

 

[Fitzy]

Kandre has sat out for “mental health” hes a puppy. He’ll never be a dog. Cares more about fashion and feelings than winning and competing.

Hank lost a shutout to take a shit. If he was a real gamer he'd wear diapers to the rink.

 

[McRanger92]

I suspect being in NY is a lot more important to Zib than the "history of Swedes in Detroit."

Not trying to fight you here -- just a legitimate observation for which I'm open to a response: Mika is blackballed for criticizing management in exit meetings, but Larkin is attractive for criticizing management in exit meetings (not saying you said that but people will think that).

Mika is not a guy you win with. Larkin, not counting a cup of coffee as a teenager, has never played a playoff game.

Mika is not the kind of 1C we talked about yesterday. Neither is Larkin.

You mentioned problem for problem, so if this is just a change of scenery type of deal, I get it, but is it not fair to say that this feels a bit 'grass is greener?'

I said it was a problem for problem. I’m not delusional enough to think we’re going to “win” a Zibanejad trade, whatever that means to people.

 

[Alluckks]

Not trying to fight you here -- just a legitimate observation for which I'm open to a response: Mika is blackballed for criticizing management in exit meetings, but Larkin is attractive for criticizing management in exit meetings (not saying you said that but people will think that).

Mika is not a guy you win with. Larkin, not counting a cup of coffee as a teenager, has never played a playoff game.

Mika is not the kind of 1C we talked about yesterday. Neither is Larkin.

You mentioned problem for problem, so if this is just a change of scenery type of deal, I get it, but is it not fair to say that this feels a bit 'grass is greener?'

Change of scenery for both players feels necessary. Fresh start, so to say.

Rangers could also sorely use the speed

 

[McRanger92]

I suspect being in NY is a lot more important to Zib than the "history of Swedes in Detroit."

If being in NY was that important to him he’d play like he cares for more than 2 months of the season. Rangers should and likely will make it uncomfortable for him. He should face the reality that he’s no longer wanted and start figuring out where he’d want to go

 

[tlk]

No offense but I don't care about "GilbertSeinfeld"'s take. Im sure you can understand that.

They watched him coach for around a decade tho.
There are other insightful takes too. But you probably don't care about those either.

 

[majordomo]

I said it was a problem for problem. I’m not delusional enough to think we’re going to “win” a Zibanejad trade, whatever that means to people.

Problem or no problem, Zib has made it clear he's not going anywhere (and I would think Detroit is definitely on his "I ain't going there" list -- it's on mine!!!)

 

[majordomo]

If being in NY was that important to him he’d play like he cares for more than 2 months of the season. Rangers should and likely will make it uncomfortable for him. He should face the reality that he’s no longer wanted and start figuring out where he’d want to go

And that's the point -- he doesn't have to care (I'm sure I'll get roasted for this statement) -- like many others, he's getting his. That's the problem with most sports figures today...there's little (if any) loyalty to the team; as long as they're getting theirs, they're happy. I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to be content at being a healthy scratch for the next 5 years. Also, being happy in NY does not equate to being happy or caring about being a NY Ranger.

 

[kovazub94]

I can only guarantee one thing about Laf playing/not playing for team Canada - whatever the reason he does/doesn't, people here will get very upset about it.

I'm very upset about your guarantee

 

[Machinehead]

There's no question guys like living around New York. It's New York. A lot of people live here.

At the same time, these guys are competitors. I know he's not Mark Messier, but Zibanejad plays in the best league in the world. He's not bereft of competitive spirit. He's not gonna want to stick around and rot if he's told in plain English that he's not in the plans.

Meanwhile, a suitor comes along (and there will be a few), and says "hey, we'd like to have you," that suddenly becomes an attractive prospect. The guy's got however many years left and then he can retire wherever he wants to. It's not a dealbreaker.

It's doable to move him, but they would have to commit to it.

 

[bleedblue94]

Schneider should be 100% the guy to go but he was also on the list Brooks' reported on as being "the Rangers core" - JT Miller, Trocheck, Cuylle, Fox, Schneider and Igor.

So either 4d chess from Drury leaking that (not likely) or they actually see "baby Trouba" as a core piece. How that fits in w Fox/Borgen remains to be seen.

Well borgen wasn't on that list...

Just bc he got an extension doesn't mean he's going to stay here as they make moves.

Schneider is fine, and like Miller is a player that I think will do much better with Housley gone and especially if they bring in a d coach that actually has some structure. It still blows my mind that lavy claimed there was a system here that worked at times, basically all season was constant high danger chances.

 

[McRanger92]

They watched him coach for around a decade tho.
There are other insightful takes too. But you probably don't care about those either.

With all due respect, the Rangers aren't the Penguins. Sullivan is highly regarded by everyone around the NHL. What he did in Pittsburgh with their roster deficiencies doesn't mean he will do the exact same thing in NY with our roster deficiencies. I want a coach who will be here awhile and command the respect of an entitled culture. Sullivan has done that, so hes an OK choice to me given the options in front of us.

 

[TheDirtyH]

There's no way Larkin is leaving Detroit and especially not for Zibanejad. But problem-for-problem is exactly the type of moves we must make. Namely, because we have almost no assets with positive value. Every piece we could send out is at best a 'change-of-scenery' move sans Panarin, who's not exactly as in demand as he's ever been and has a full NMC.

Detroit would be interesting because, like us, they have a lot of problems.

If you want to talk about assets you might be able to sell high on, or at least get something of real value back for... probably the list should start with Schneider and Cuylle.

I know we all love Cuylle, but he strikes me as a perfect piece to try to move right now. I like the player, and I've consistently been lower on him than others here, but we are flush on the wings.

Anaheim has too many LHD. LaCombe just broke out. They like Zellwegger. They love big, strong wingers and they need goals.

Cuylle for Mintyukov?

 

[McRanger92]

And that's the point -- he doesn't have to care (I'm sure I'll get roasted for this statement) -- like many others, he's getting his. That's the problem with most sports figures today...there's little (if any) loyalty to the team; as long as they're getting theirs, they're happy. I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to be content at being a healthy scratch for the next 5 years. Also, being happy in NY does not equate to being happy or caring about being a NY Ranger.

That is why im in favor of the war between him and the organization thats brewing. And if he is content with his responsibilities being cut, not playing him is addition by subtraction.

 

[McRanger92]

There's no way Larkin is leaving Detroit and especially not for Zibanejad. But problem-for-problem is exactly the type of moves we must make. Namely, because we have almost no assets with positive value. Every piece we could send out is at best a 'change-of-scenery' move sans Panarin, who's not exactly as in demand as he's ever been and has a full NMC.

Detroit would be interesting because, like us, they have a lot of problems.

If you want to talk about assets you might be able to sell high on, or at least get something of real value back for... probably the list should start with Schneider and Cuylle.

I know we all love Cuylle, but he strikes me as a perfect piece to try to move right now. I like the player, and I've consistently been lower on him than others here, but we are flush on the wings.

Anaheim has too many LHD. LaCombe just broke out. They like Zellwegger. They love big, strong wingers and they need goals.

Cuylle for Mintyukov?

Cmon now. The "value" may be there but what reason do the Rangers have to trade Cuylle? One of the few young guys we have that has shown improvement with more responsibility. He just broke the team record for hits in a season because he goes at anything that moves. This team is soft as shit in addition to being talent deficient. They arent trading a potential core guy for another question mark on defense.

 

[McRanger92]

There's no question guys like living around New York. It's New York. A lot of people live here.

At the same time, these guys are competitors. I know he's not Mark Messier, but Zibanejad plays in the best league in the world. He's not bereft of competitive spirit. He's not gonna want to stick around and rot if he's told in plain English that he's not in the plans.

Meanwhile, a suitor comes along (and there will be a few), and says "hey, we'd like to have you," that suddenly becomes an attractive prospect. The guy's got however many years left and then he can retire wherever he wants to. It's not a dealbreaker.

It's doable to move him, but they would have to commit to it.

We've watched and listened to Mika for a decade. A lot of us can see what makes him tick. If his comments at the end of the season proved anything to me its that he wants to be somewhere that he feels important. Im not a psychologist ( I play one on TV), but maybe thats why he was in such between the ears turmoil this season. As his peers get moved it shows his stature is receding.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Cmon now. The "value" may be there but what reason do the Rangers have to trade Cuylle? One of the few young guys we have that has shown improvement with more responsibility. He just broke the team record for hits in a season because he goes at anything that moves. This team is soft as shit in addition to being talent deficient. They arent trading a potential core guy for another question mark on defense.

Because
1) he's a wing (and specifically a LW), where they have too many players for too few spots
2) they have huge holes elsewhere
3) they have very few other pieces that would command a good return
4) what's his upside realistically, and how much higher is it than what we got this season? I don't know and it could be quite high, but I think it's likely that between age, contract status (RFA non-arb eligible) and production, he's pretty near peak value on the market
5) he's a pretty high-key offer sheet risk

I'm not saying 'get rid of him' bc i don't like him or think he's bad. And like anyone, I love the idea of trades where we give away what we don't like or want to give up and get things we like, but in reality, you have to give to get.

JMHO, you don't have to agree. I see Cuylle as a Ryan Clowe type ceiling. That's a good player. It's not an untouchable player.

I mean I'm pitching a 1 for 1 for Mintyukov, not Tyler Myers. I'm saying trade him to get something great back.

 

[McRanger92]

Because
1) he's a wing (and specifically a LW), where they have too many players for too few spots
2) they have huge holes elsewhere
3) they have very few other pieces that would command a good return
4) what's his upside realistically, and how much higher is it than what we got this season? I don't know and it could be quite high, but I think it's likely that between age, contract status (RFA non-arb eligible) and production, he's pretty near peak value on the market
5) he's a pretty high-key offer sheet risk

I'm not saying 'get rid of him' bc i don't like him or think he's bad. And like anyone, I love the idea of trades where we give away what we don't like or want to give up and get things we like, but in reality, you have to give to get.

JMHO, you don't have to agree. I see Cuylle as a Ryan Clowe type ceiling. That's a good player. It's not an untouchable player.

Lets trade the veterans at forward before we start thinking about trading Will Cuylle. Talk about a guy we will regret not having in 3 years.

 

[Levitate]

If you're getting back a real star player that's cost controlled and in their prime then sure trade Cuylle

If not, don't bother. Not that I think he's gonna be a star himself but why give up the physical guy who can score some goals that everyone always clamors for just because "what if something else?"

 

[TheDirtyH]

Lets trade the veterans at forward before we start thinking about trading Will Cuylle. Talk about a guy we will regret not having in 3 years.

The veterans have trade protection and negative value. You're thinking about this very narrowly and very idealistically.

 

[Chyt Check]

There's no question guys like living around New York. It's New York. A lot of people live here.

At the same time, these guys are competitors. I know he's not Mark Messier, but Zibanejad plays in the best league in the world. He's not bereft of competitive spirit. He's not gonna want to stick around and rot if he's told in plain English that he's not in the plans.

Meanwhile, a suitor comes along (and there will be a few), and says "hey, we'd like to have you," that suddenly becomes an attractive prospect. The guy's got however many years left and then he can retire wherever he wants to. It's not a dealbreaker.

It's doable to move him, but they would have to commit to it.

Still see (hope for) Mika going to Vegas for Eichel