Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Levitate]

I do wonder how accurate those stats are. Guys like Laf and Vince skated faster than Bedard?

Can anyone post the list for defensemen?

dunno, I haven't watched a ton of Bedard but it could be that he can make successful moves at his top speed and be more dynamic even if he's not going at a raw faster speed

Trochek and Laf aren't too shabby in a straight line

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Jim Cerny on Mike Sullivan:

I stopped listening 15 seconds in when he said this could be some fans dreams answered. Who the f*** wanted him?

 

[NickyFotiu]

dunno, I haven't watched a ton of Bedard but it could be that he can make successful moves at his top speed and be more dynamic even if he's not going at a raw faster speed

Trochek and Laf aren't too shabby in a straight line

Yeah there can be a variety of factors including Bedard carrying the puck more so other teams defenders being in his way more.

 

[Alluckks]

Surprised by Trocheck. Kreider used to be able to be on these.

 

[McRanger92]

View attachment 1025171

Surprised by Trocheck. Kreider used to be able to be on these.

Kreider’s back hurts cut him some slack. I bet Rempe will start appearing on these lists soon.

It’s become a meme but I’m a fan of Josh Anderson’s game. He’s a good forechecker and skater. Injuries had slowed him for a few years.

 

[eco's bones]

I mean I get all that, I think everybody does that shares information. I think there probably needs to be a little more "education" on the other side of that situation to reel in the people that are pretty much hoping that things fall apart so that they can jump down other people's throats and claim that they don't have any contacts/information. I'm not posting on here crying that people give me a hard time, I'm responding to somebody that is criticizing me. This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about where somebody jumps in and comments on a post without having the context of why it was posted to begin with. I didn't go asking for this, the other person made the post I responded to ha

It's also pretty funny because you go back a little while ago and a certain somebody in the organization gets fired and another poster on here with years of confirmation of their connections indirectly acknowledges that part of the firing was from that person leaking information and then somehow people on here are still surprised when those of us with some contacts aren't going to hang the contacts out by sharing everything in a manner that exposes where the information came from...

There's a bigger picture here than a message board

For me what can bug me a little is when we get too much into personalities. I don't know who these people really are and generally I don't give a f***. If there's a problem with some players then move them along. There was some of that last year and it came with too much resistance from the players and what seems to be a lack of communication from up top. I also think the coaching couldn't adapt a defense system that was being exploited by just about every team in the league. So I saw issues from everywhere---players, coaches, management. At the end of the day most of them are rich as f*** or are going to kind of be. It's hard for me to get swept up in their idiotic soap operas.

Another thing is don't just do things just to do things which it seems is something that a lot of people here are behind but the moves you do make need to be smart.

A lot of us liked Edge a lot. He obviously felt disrespected and left and I doubt he's ever coming back. I get that. It's not easy passing info on to some people. They'll ride it and ride it for whatever it's worth.

 

[Kendo]

He's screaming for the sake of screaming without at least offering some of the tangible benefits that Torts does.

Sullivan has never had any success in the NHL without a half dozen Hall of Famers in his lineup and look at the roster we would be giving him.

At least Torts has proven he can work with shit. If anything, one of this weaknesses is that he likes shit a little bit too much.

Yes, his team was old. I got news for everyone: the Rangers aren't young.

"He likes shit a little bit too much." This part had me DED! LOL

The Rangers are both young and old with a little bit of a gulf in the middle of "Prime." Basically half of the F Corps is over 30, and the other half is under 25. It'll be tricky to balance for the next guy.

The D is a little more even spread. Not as young, but not as old. Fox in his prime in the middle.

(Not disagreeing, just adding.)

I'm not a fan of the Sully idea. I don't trust him to find that balance. Compared to some truly awful candidates however, I could stomach it. It would totally be predictable and "more of the same" because they're sheepish to try another inexperienced coach after Quinn, but I'll take being "the normal amount of mad at the team's decisions."

Q or Babcock would infuriate me. Messier would be straight up embarrassing as a fan. I'd rather get Torts for the memes and expect nothing for a season or two.

I don't have a "favorite" option outside of Knoblauch right now (leaning on familiarity with the younger portion of the team). I'm open to being convinced on anyone that's not a hell no. Like if I got to do the interviews. People are pumping Carle's tires and he's intriguing.

D coach is going to be a huge factor. I don't know much about who the actual candidates are. We just need a structure/scheme that the team understands, can execute, and suits them in the first place.

All I know is that I have Sylvain Lefebvre PTSD.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

View attachment 1025171

Surprised by Trocheck. Kreider used to be able to be on these.

Im surprised more by Stamkos

 

[NickyFotiu]

View attachment 1025171

Surprised by Trocheck. Kreider used to be able to be on these.

Im glad these are being posted. No offense Vince but there is no way you skated as fast as McDavid. I don't know how or what but come on! Maybe the Oilers will swap them now

 

[mike14]

Is there any info on what 'sustained' means for the first column of those skater speed stats?
On the face of it the left hand column doesn't seem that relevant. 24.5mph vs 23.4mph is probably about .8 of a second across 200ft, and it's rare that anyone skates the full 200ft. And even if you're the fast guy, unless your teammate is absolutely burner as well even if you win the race you've got no one to pass to.

Repeat efforts at speed seems far more useful in terms of helping determine 'pace of play' and team fitness

 

[Boris Zubov]

Wrong thread

 

[Kendo]

I’m coming around to this line of thinking even though I think KAM has a shit ton of untapped potential. I’m starting to think he retires with it untapped.

This is such a good point. He may never build his toolbox. I'm not coming around yet, though. I'm still looking to finish developing him to better use his obvious tools.

It's not even that, it's game speed and processing. You can see with Leonard he just goes to some generic
"good" spot and then watches the play happen around him at 100 MPH.

Even the worst NHLers have game sense 5x better than kids breaking in because it's SO stark and jarring you instantly notice it when they don't have it. Rempe currently has much better game sense than a Berkly Catton which is sorta hilarious.

It truly is funny. Rempe is surprisingly good at deciding what to do and doing it with pace. Edstrom is even better at that, too!

Not a single Ranger. theyre not a slow team they just don’t know where they’re going

Totally. The players were struggling to both comprehend and enact the scheme. The "Hockey IQ" cratered across the whole roster this past season, but obviously the players didn't just get dumber or anything. They didn't know what they were expected to actually DO.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Well today's your lucky day because they are about to have one. I think the coaching issue on the PP was about deploying the same players in the same spots and expecting different results.

Seriously. The best way to coach that unit would be to break it up and remove the problems

 

[NickyFotiu]

Laffy has had issues here. Bedard hasn't dominated as fast as hoped. Hughes is often injured. Where do they rank in trade value? Could a trade be possible?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Laffy has had issues here. Bedard hasn't dominated as fast as hoped. Hughes is often injured. Where do they rank in trade value? Could a trade be possible?

Laf is not in the same stratosphere as they are

 

[NickyFotiu]

Laf is not in the same stratosphere as they are

Well a deal doesn't always have to be one for one. Laf is bigger than Bedard and healthier than Hughes. Maybe something can be done. I just want to improve our team. Ill throw in Kakko.

 

[n8]

I stopped listening 15 seconds in when he said this could be some fans dreams answered. Who the f*** wanted him?

Well you missed the part where he said Rangers fans would be pissed if Sullivan didn't become the next coach. He's going to do a podcast with Molly Walker later in the week. Maybe it won't be so unhinged. I'm more in the neutral camp.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I stopped listening 15 seconds in when he said this could be some fans dreams answered. Who the f*** wanted him?

I think Jim might have lost the pulse of today’s fan base.

 

[Levitate]

Totally. The players were struggling to both comprehend and enact the scheme. The "Hockey IQ" cratered across the whole roster this past season, but obviously the players didn't just get dumber or anything. They didn't know what they were expected to actually DO.

Well this is the bullshit of the whole situation. That was what we said about Gallant's second year, and why Laviolette was hired. Team needs structure. Team needs to play like a team. They can play fast if they play together as a team. And they did that for Lavy's first year. They at least played a little more structured, played a little more like they knew where teammates would be and could make plays.

Then it all just flew out the window again this year.

Which is why I keep coming back to the players and how they did this shit with two different coaches at least and refused to play in a way that made them successful

 

[NickyFotiu]

Well this is the bullshit of the whole situation. That was what we said about Gallant's second year, and why Laviolette was hired. Team needs structure. Team needs to play like a team. They can play fast if they play together as a team. And they did that for Lavy's first year. They at least played a little more structured, played a little more like they knew where teammates would be and could make plays.

Then it all just flew out the window again this year.

Which is why I keep coming back to the players and how they did this shit with two different coaches at least and refused to play in a way that made them successful

It's not the X's and the O's but the Jimmys and the Joes

 

[Kendo]

Laffy has had issues here. Bedard hasn't dominated as fast as hoped. Hughes is often injured. Where do they rank in trade value? Could a trade be possible?

Bedard is first by pretty far.

I'd take Laf over Hughes. They're both exciting. They're both flawed.

Well this is the bullshit of the whole situation. That was what we said about Gallant's second year, and why Laviolette was hired. Team needs structure. Team needs to play like a team. They can play fast if they play together as a team. And they did that for Lavy's first year. They at least played a little more structured, played a little more like they knew where teammates would be and could make plays.

Then it all just flew out the window again this year.

Which is why I keep coming back to the players and how they did this shit with two different coaches at least and refused to play in a way that made them successful

Gallant had more of a "Pond Hockey Systemless System." It soured in the second year.

Lavi brought a system that worked at first but overcorrected and was either too complicated and/or unsuitable to the roster in year two.

They both failed similarly, but I would argue for pretty different reasons.

Their AC's even made the bad stuff worse instead of mitigating deficiencies.

The players deserve their share of the blame, but the roller coaster nature of this core proves that there are some fairly high highs. If we can get through this low low, we just need a coach that won't ruin it.

 

[Kendo]

It's not the X's and the O's but the Jimmys and the Joes

It's always been both.

 

[tlk]

The players deserve their share of the blame, but the roller coaster nature of this core proves that there are some fairly high highs. If we can get through this low low, we just need a coach that won't ruin it.

Their highs in large part was an opportunistic brand of hockey propped by Kreids' deflections and Zib's one-timer (and his two-way game). These things seem to be gone for good now.

Panarin with Trochek at centre cannot carry them. Neither can the 3rd liners like Cuylle as much as we love him.
Hope (and believe) Laf's gonna bounce back. Otherwise we're truly fcuked. But that's nowhere near enough for contending.

 

[2014nyr]

getting upset about sullivan is such a waste of time. You can take it to the bank the team will be much better under him next year, but barring some borderline miracles, fall short of a cup. You can also take it to the bank the year after will be worse. That would be true whether it’s sully, carle, jon cooper, or scotty bowman.

Hiring and firing coaches is nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Until there’s an organizational culture conducive to success that emanates from the top and is evident at every level of it, the org is nothing more than a network drama series. The devils might be the mickey mouse organization, but the rangers are the one that behave like a hollywood drama, that starts at the top and permeates every layer.

 

[Kendo]

Their highs in large part was an opportunistic brand of hockey propped by Kreids' deflections and Zib's one-timer (and his two-way game). These things seem to be gone for good now.

Panarin with Trochek at centre cannot carry them. Neither can the 3rd liners like Cuylle as much as we love him.
Hope (and believe) Laf's gonna bounce back. Otherwise we're truly fcuked. But that's nowhere near enough for contending.

We have done well with "5v5 PK that's all about the transition game," for a number of years. Mika and Chris can do that. The general makeup of the team has been better with "Transition" than "Cycle."

That's the main difference between current strategy and current makeup.

You can't slight Cuylle as a mere "3rd Liner" when he is at least a "middle 6er" on any team in the league. You can up your optimism a notch.