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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Hopefully the plan is that he’s basically the guy out in front who cracks the whip and changes culture with a very good supporting cast around him taking care of the details of the game while he keeps his boot on their necks
 
bleedblue94 said:
I actually do at times, and I'm sorry if you think I'm condescending. Genuinely.

I know people are hesitant to believe things at times and that's why I let it go for awhile, to let a track record start to develop and show that there is info I share that is accurate in hopes it would develop a runway of sorts but then of course there are the posters (not saying you specifically) that just want to tear down anyone that has info. We all saw this with edge and others. People want more than what can safely be shared and then attack or get mad at people that need to be cautious and limited. Why is it incumbent on the people that do share the info here to do it to the acceptable level of everyone else without regard for themselves? At what point will people here just chase more people/info away like it has to others? This board used to have 3-5 really solid insiders that would each sporadically share info, and where are those people? They all left bc it wasn't worth sharing with the fans here anymore based on the BS they had to deal with.

Edge constantly chose the high road and warned for months he was about done bc of all the shit he would take here, I'm not edge and I'm not really worried about "coaching" people through keeping info coming from me the way he did. He was a true gentleman. At some point I'll probably just stop. After watching people rip others apart for year forgive me if I'm a little more brash than the way others were. In today's times there are more people than ever on this board that don't know what's going on and that are guessing but that post in absolutes and constantly condemn and ridicule other posters BUT they are just flat wrong to begin with and don't even know what they are saying.

You say I'm condescending? For years I have shared little nuggets here without being overt and then for over a year I've tried to share more while this org has gone into disarray, but then I take more shit from people then ever despite being proven correct. On a message board like this it isn't a one to one interaction, so what you read in a response or a post might be taken sourly but it's in response (directly or indirectly) to shit I've taken elsewhere on this board. And I get it with nyr fans, I really do. There is a segment that is passionate and doesn't really know anything about hockey and there are passionate fans that do know the game so they get pissy dealing with the truly clueless average fans that still don't even know how leetch broke his ankle. That level of discourse and conflict has become acceptable bc it's apparently okay for the more knowledgeable fans to shit on the average run of the mill fans, but somehow the next tier of informed people that still care to share info with the fans that are committed diehards get vilified bc they don't do it in a nice or big enough way?

It becomes exhausting to have darts thrown at you all the time and then expected to never fire them back. I still have people on here giving me shit when I post during breakup days saying "you don't know shit bc if you did you would have posted about "x" months ago" when in fact I DID post about "x" months ago. If you wouldn't get pissy and ornery at times then I give you credit and you're a better person than me...
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There have been off and on people here who have source information that others don’t. It doesn’t always mean they have the same exact resources so it may be different from what others with some access have.

Depending also it often happens that things don’t go in exact detail as hoped…as for instance in player moves. A trade is close for example and then falls apart and some will then question creditability.

This is a thing if you do have some access……mention something and it then falls apart it almost doesn’t need to be said that people are going to question you. Pre-knowledge can be a double edged sword and you need to be ready to deal with things that can go awry…..that you should expect. If you’re out on a limb……..falls can happen.
 
Bob Richards said:
Mike Sullivan with Torts as an assistant coach.

Taylor Pyatt and Roman Hamrlik also behind the bench. Right that wrongs of 2013.

Unrelated but, Arron Asham scored a Game 7 playoff goal. That was a thing that really happened.
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Asham and Rupp were both solid players that we got well past their due date. Brashear just sucked. IDK what the hell that one was about.
 
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Ill rephrase what I said earlier. Sullivan isnt Laviolette. He's been hamstrung in PIT by an aging roster. Crosby essentually does it all himself and the GMs there have built dogshit rosters around him. Nobody willing to make the hard decisions to move on from Letang and Malkin when they should have. Rangers are in a similar boat with Mika, Kreider and Panarin. Sullivan preached defense and when they won the Cups, yes they had stars at the top, but the D cores they won with were underwhelming at best. Trevor Daley and Ron Hainsey types behind Letang. They were good defensive teams in front of the most mid-goalies ever. Sullivan isnt exactly a taskmaster like Torts but he'd command respect from guys who werent entitled.

The fact that he's the current patriarch of USA Hockey is certainly meaningful. Drury-Sullivan-JT Miller/Trocheck/Fox would be a unified leadership front for the first time in awhile. I didnt like how he coached at the Four Nations but it was ultimately not one that mattered and his team was decimated by injuries as we know now. If Mika and Kreider and the players with that mentality are still here, he will be fired in 2 years like Laviolette. They still need to make changes to the core if Sullivan comes in. I dont think its a given he waltz's into the Rangers job, but I do think were the favorite. Boston has an x-factor with McAvoy but I think we have the better roster and future prospects.
 
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Bob Richards said:
Mike Sullivan with Torts as an assistant coach.

Taylor Pyatt and Roman Hamrlik also behind the bench. Right that wrongs of 2013.

Unrelated but, Arron Asham scored a Game 7 playoff goal. That was a thing that really happened.
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Short side snipe from the top of the circle no less over Holtby's arm. I believe that was the first goal in a shutout win too, so the game winner in a game 7.
 
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Bob Richards said:
Mike Sullivan with Torts as an assistant coach.

Taylor Pyatt and Roman Hamrlik also behind the bench. Right that wrongs of 2013.

Unrelated but, Arron Asham scored a Game 7 playoff goal. That was a thing that really happened.
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This is my nightmare

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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Genuinely curious as to why you think he'd be a disaster?
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He just isn't that good. He gets too much credit for winning 2 cups that had a roster with Crosby, Malkin and the baller version of Kessel. Like congrats, you're not a total f***ing idiot but you also haven't won a playoff series in 7 years when you haven't had all the cards stacked in your favor (and you can only blame getting Jarry'd for one of those years.)

Pittsburgh may have been worse defensively than we were (and according to CSA, they were the worst defensive team in the league by a f***ing mile.)

He has no ties to the main guys on the roster outside of a few games of Kreider (who is toast) so on that end if you're looking for a silver lining there it is, but I have zero confidence that he wouldn't be another vet loving Panarin enabler.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Genuinely curious as to why you think he'd be a disaster?
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He's screaming for the sake of screaming without at least offering some of the tangible benefits that Torts does.

Sullivan has never had any success in the NHL without a half dozen Hall of Famers in his lineup and look at the roster we would be giving him.

At least Torts has proven he can work with shit. If anything, one of this weaknesses is that he likes shit a little bit too much.

Yes, his team was old. I got news for everyone: the Rangers aren't young.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
He just isn't that good. He gets too much credit for winning 2 cups that had a roster with Crosby, Malkin and the baller version of Kessel. Like congrats, you're not a total f***ing idiot but you also haven't won a playoff series in 7 years when you haven't had all the cards stacked in your favor (and you can only blame getting Jarry'd for one of those years.)

Pittsburgh may have been worse defensively than we were (and according to CSA, they were the worst defensive team in the league by a f***ing mile.)

He has no ties to the main guys on the roster outside of a few games of Kreider (who is toast) so on that end if you're looking for a silver lining there it is, but I have zero confidence that he wouldn't be another vet loving Panarin enabler.
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Sullivan has had the deck stacked in his favor the last 7 years? I would strongly disagree with that. The rosters outside of Crosby havent been good. Also they wouldve beaten us if Crosby played Game 6 in 2022.
 
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MrAlmost said:
Sullivan is a fraud. Hmm, which line should I use now? Crosby. Oh he was out there? Malkin then.

No team i watched this year was slower than the Rangers other than the Pens.
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In fairness, their GM has decided to not get younger and be in that middle ground of still going for it. For once I would prefer a good coach who can adjust based on their roster and game management, but Sulli didn't exactly create the roster he had for the last couple of years, so it's a bit unfair to use lack of speed against him.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Sullivan has had the deck stacked in his favor the last 7 years? I would strongly disagree with that. The rosters outside of Crosby havent been good. Also they wouldve beaten us if Crosby played Game 6 in 2022.
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I think all the cards being stacked in his favor is in reference to walking face-first into a roster that had Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, and Guentzel, and then on top of that facing like .650 goaltending on their second Cup run. He hasn't won anything after that.
 
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