Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Oscar Lindberg]

Signing Sam Bennett to a massive deal as he’s about to start leaving his prime would be a total Rangers move

So of course it’s something people want

 

[McRanger92]

Signing Sam Bennett to a massive deal as he’s about to start leaving his prime would be a total Rangers move

So of course it’s something people want

You can relax, he’s not signing here

I’m sure he’s chomping at the bit to leave a tax haven to play in NY with a bunch of guys who need a constant reminder that winning is the goal

 

[bernmeister]

Stop taking everything so literal, you’ll live longer. Take the crypto bros word for it.

hey, you do you and I'll do me.
Don't deign to tell the bern
It is YOU who has to learn w/da bern

 

[NickyFotiu]

To be fair...

1. The owner today is the same owner that was here when we gave Tortorella his first head coaching gig and then let him go, only to re-hire him nine years later.
2. Torts hasn't been available, the windows haven't lined up like they are now.
3. See #2.

1. Dolan rehired Torts? I don't remember that. When was that? You aren't referring to afew game job as his first real HC job are you?

2. Tort didn't have a coaching job for years. If Dolan loves him so much he could have hired Torts for a handful of other jobs.

 

[bernmeister]

Mika right now at his worst is a better player than Sam Bennett. Mika sleepwalked himself to almost 40 points after new years. That would be only 11 points from Bennetts career year.

People who want to pay 9mil for 40+ points because of vibes are crazy.

Irrelevant if true, b'c to put this in erudite terms all can understand,
HE STILL SUCKS
and worse is worth nowhere near where he is getting paid

The less optimistic I become that this team will be able to be competitive the next 2 seasons the more invested I become in making sure that we develop our one organizational strength- young wingers, for the next hypothetical window.

Guys like Othmann, Perreault, Berard, Cuylle NEED to all be with the Rangers permanently next season surrounding our established centers. I'm willing to give the Mas approach a spin- force these guys into roles and hope it brings out the best in them. That's a healthy mix of grit and skill from those guys. Rempe and Edstrom both look like they have solid 4th line potential as well. Can't believe I'm saying that about Rempe but when he uses his reach he does actually bring a dynamic that can be challenging for even NHL defensemen. A bit jealous, I could have taken some pointers from him about how to leverage his size on the offensive side of the puck.

We can come away with more Ryan Callahans and Brandon Dubinsky style guys from this group. I'm just more and more on board with trading Lafreniere for a guy like Owen Power, rather than trying to upgrade him to Tkachuk, and build a more meat-and-potatoes wing group like the Pens had for years.

bold = where did you here that before?
c'mon you can say it.

I'd rather not get into the personalities of the players. I don't know them and I've never interacted with any of them and interaction is a funny thing. If your one and only interaction is to catch someone on a bad day or they're distracted by other shit........well? I have to ask myself would I go out of my way to meet any single one of them? ........and the answer is probably not. I'm not much for schmoozing.

I imagine Drury's going to purge at least a couple more.....and one will be Kreider. I don't have a big issue with moving Kreider. However much he was hampered by injury he had a shit year. I think he can still be a good player for somebody so I'd very much would like a decent return for the player. If we were to move Mika who also had a bad year----and yeah I guess it's great that he was able to pad his stats towards the end when the season had already gone down the tubes. I think he'll be harder to move just because of the length of term still left. But we'll see.....

I really don't get the 'we got to punish them' vibe. No you make moves not to punish but to improve the team or at least to get a new look that doesn't adversely effect everyone else. Should we trade Laf? or K'Andre? but what are we getting back? I don't exactly want to wait for futures for players who are on the front of their careers. So younger NHL ready players or already developing top prospects and not necessarily draft picks is what I'd aim for with players like those two.

I'm skeptical of Drury too and would not have extended him......probably would have fired him so there's that too.

few deserve full bore punishment, but Meeka is one.
No excuse for him intentionally going AWOL delib doing his own thing at our expense

 

[turcotte8]

1. Dolan rehired Torts? I don't remember that. When was that? You aren't referring to afew game job as his first real HC job are you?

2. Tort didn't have a coaching job for years. If Dolan loves him so much he could have hired Torts for a handful of other jobs.

They need to hire him just to talk to the press after the game. He has no other responsibilities.

 

[NickyFotiu]

They need to hire him just to talk to the press after the game. He has no other responsibilities.

LOL no

I personally would be really disappointed if he was brought back but time will tell. I will respectfully ask if Dolan luvs Torts so much why wait?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

hey, you do you and I'll do me.
Don't deign to tell the bern
It is YOU who has to learn w/da bern

Truthfully, ive had the burn before during my college days, i dont recommend it.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Truthfully, ive had the burn before during my college days, i dont recommend it.

Too much Mexican food?

 

[savebyrichter94]

Truthfully, ive had the burn before during my college days, i dont recommend it.

 

[NYR Viper]

I was looking at Zibanejad to Minnesota earlier in the year. If Minnesota loses to Vegas, I could see them pushing for next year to be a big year to take a step. Kaprizov is soon to be a UFA. They have a couple of guys who are overpaid but could be good depth pieces in the right roles in NY. Hartman and Trenin.

Hartman can play RW or center. He had 26 points this year in 69 games. He’s a bit of a PIA to play against.

Trenin really struggled early in the year after singing in Minnesota in the offseason. He’s a big, physical winger but he doesn’t provide a lot of offense in general. Skates well. You could look at him like a Hathaway a bit. Hard to play against. Big guy. Not fun to play against.

Collectively, they make $7.5m.

Zibanejad goes to play with a few Swedes and Zuccarello who he knows well. He’s a shooting center(or should be) who should be a good fit with Kaprizov and extend their depth.

Flip Trenin somewhere with $$ retained. Retain $1m. 3 years left. Get a pick.

Othmann-Hartman-Berard
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom

There’s your bottom-6.

 

[zlev]

if McDavid liked him, he wouldn't get fired so I'm not sure on your plan.

my post wasn't completely serious but i'm glad someone took the bait

 

[bleedblue94]

do you?

Oh hey its that little gnat buzzing around again, thought you finally gave up trying to claim I don't have info but here you are again ha. Not surprising...

I certainly have a pretty good idea about what happened and what is still happening, and that's part of why I said over 3 months ago to keep an eye on tocchet and nyr even back when media was trying to hype train tocchet to phili when torts was even still there.

 

[bleedblue94]

I was looking at Zibanejad to Minnesota earlier in the year. If Minnesota loses to Vegas, I could see them pushing for next year to be a big year to take a step. Kaprizov is soon to be a UFA. They have a couple of guys who are overpaid but could be good depth pieces in the right roles in NY. Hartman and Trenin.

Hartman can play RW or center. He had 26 points this year in 69 games. He’s a bit of a PIA to play against.

Trenin really struggled early in the year after singing in Minnesota in the offseason. He’s a big, physical winger but he doesn’t provide a lot of offense in general. Skates well. You could look at him like a Hathaway a bit. Hard to play against. Big guy. Not fun to play against.

Collectively, they make $7.5m.

Zibanejad goes to play with a few Swedes and Zuccarello who he knows well. He’s a shooting center(or should be) who should be a good fit with Kaprizov and extend their depth.

Flip Trenin somewhere with $$ retained. Retain $1m. 3 years left. Get a pick.

Othmann-Hartman-Berard
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom

There’s your bottom-6.

I seriously ask you what about zibs attitude screams bill guerin? That's oil and water, and zibs recent comments certainly didn't endear him to a bunch of executives around the league.

And the wild value Hartman even if he is constantly held up against a single outlier season that he will never repeat.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Signing Sam Bennett to a massive deal as he’s about to start leaving his prime would be a total Rangers move

So of course it’s something people want

Holik 2.0

 

[LOFIN]

Holik 2.0

Rather Goodrow 2.0

I don't think anyone ever questioned his work ethic. He was just not good enough. Barely 4th line quality in his final year, yet making 3.6M

I thought people would've learned from Trouba and Goodrow. Matters f*** all, if the player is giving his all, playing his heart out etc, if he's not actually helping the team to win but making big bucks.

I know it sucks to watch Zibanejad and Kreider float around. The answer is not to hire a crash and bang hockey player because of his heart, and pay him like a point producer.

 

[Machinehead]

It doesn't matter if it's north-south or east-west; these playoff teams do whatever it is that they do with so much pace and urgency. We have to grab our pillow and teddy bear and come to a sleep pace to do anything.

And it's not about skating fast. It's about having the skill, IQ, and mindset to react under pressure.

 

[LOFIN]

It doesn't matter if it's north-south or east-west; these playoff teams do whatever it is that they do with so much pace and urgency. We have to grab our pillow and teddy bear and come to a sleep pace to do anything.

And it's not about skating fast. It's about having the skill, IQ, and mindset to react under pressure.

Being slow is one of the most misused concepts in hockey. Ok, if you compare a guy like MacKinnon or McDavid to some 4th liner, the 4th liner is slow.

Most players are not fast or slow in the grand scheme of things. Teams are not fast or slow by roster construction (as in they have a lot of good or bad skaters).

Teams either play fast or slow. It's not about skating speed, it's about how fast you make decisions with the puck, and how you move as a unit. A team that doesn't stop to think about a play, looks fast.

And the Rangers have been slow for years.

 

[Machinehead]

Being slow is one of the most misused concepts in hockey. Ok, if you compare a guy like MacKinnon or McDavid to some 4th liner, the 4th liner is slow.

Most players are not fast or slow in the grand scheme of things. Teams are not fast or slow by roster construction (as in they have a lot of good or bad skaters).

Teams either play fast or slow. It's not about skating speed, it's about how fast you make decisions with the puck, and how you move as a unit. A team that doesn't stop to think about a play, looks fast.

And the Rangers have been slow for years.

It's been close to a decade since the Rangers played fast. And I don't understand how an NHL team goes this long with a problem like that and it doesn't improve in any way.

 

[Fitzy]

It doesn't matter if it's north-south or east-west; these playoff teams do whatever it is that they do with so much pace and urgency. We have to grab our pillow and teddy bear and come to a sleep pace to do anything.

And it's not about skating fast. It's about having the skill, IQ, and mindset to react under pressure.

The attacking gameplan for like 4 years has been to just try to outwait everyone going around the periphery of the O zone repeatedly until someone defensively slid too far out of position or made a mistake. Rarely did they actively try to get ahead of the play. Since Fox stopped having as much success on the dribblefrom the blue line in, and Panarin lost some of his explosiveness, Zib his one timer, Kreider his magic hands... it's no wonder the whole thing fell apart. Those guys were the only reason that was working at all at even strength.

 

[Machinehead]

The attacking gameplan for like 4 years has been to just try to outwait everyone going around the periphery of the O zone repeatedly until someone defensively slid too far out of position or made a mistake. Since Fox stopped having as much success on the dribble and Panarin lost some of his explosiveness, Zib his one timer, Kreider his magic hands... it's no wonder the whole thing fell apart. Those guys were the only reason that was working at all at even strength.

They don't do anything to try and force the issue. The Rangers have been predicated on the other team making a mistake at least since they signed Panarin, if not longer.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

1. Dolan rehired Torts? I don't remember that. When was that? You aren't referring to afew game job as his first real HC job are you?

2. Tort didn't have a coaching job for years. If Dolan loves him so much he could have hired Torts for a handful of other jobs.

Torts finished a season as the interim coach for the Rangers during one of the Dark Ages seasons. I don't remember which one, but he was never officially named to the post. I think that's what the poster you were responding to was referring to.

It was somewhere in the John Muckler/Ron Low dog days IIRC.

 

[Fitzy]

They don't do anything to try and force the issue. The Rangers have been predicated on the other team making a mistake at least since they signed Panarin, if not longer.

I feel like it's one of the reasons why NYR fared so poorly against playoff opponents like the Devils that got a lead and just played smart safe hockey the rest of the way.

 

[Kendo]

Trocheck is a smaller Bennett with more of an offensive track record. Bennett's about to sign for around 50% more than him, which is crazy.

 

[Boris Zubov]

They don't do anything to try and force the issue. The Rangers have been predicated on the other team making a mistake at least since they signed Panarin, if not longer.

Now since they all have really slowed down, all they can do is play hope & prayer hockey. Nobody besides Cuylle or JTM goes to the net & they can't beat anyone 1on1.