Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[bernmeister]

I agree with you in principle, however, it can be tough to get a read on people sometimes when you're just reading words without room for nuance. While I think the poster has been eerily pro-Mika over the past week or so, I wanted to leave open the possibility that I misread the situation because I was referring to multiple posts over a period of time that I don't feel like going back and digging up.

Regardless, I pretty much agree about Mika. The bar was set so low after the first few months that it wasn't too difficult for his play to improve. If Drury can move him out of here for a reasonable cost, he should do it (I'd give Drury a lot of latitude on moving Mika due to his contract). I don't what Mika was so worked up over but he should have gone through the player assistance program if it was that bad. At the very least, Lavi should have benched him because his play was atrocious.

He's looked better as a RW but we're paying him to be a C. Quite frankly it looks like whoever plays with JT Miller looks better.

full concur
simply also volunteering that poster, as the record shows, was so egregiously skewed to pro zib THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON, that he earned the name Webster per some of us.

tell us the Kreider stuff so i can hate him more.

Yeah, we need more hate in the world --- not!
And heaping blame as well as praise is fine, provided it is honest and objective.
Hate is raw and concentrated and emotional, usually not intelligent
learn w/da bern
and be better than that

Would a laffy for slafkovsky trade make sense this summer? Change of scenery for two 1 overall picks making similar money.

Fair conceptually as to LaF = huge marketing +, talent wise, pros and cons both sides.

Don't see Habs moving an F with that much upside for another F; need to add quality Fs.

Deal I am hoping for is a big gamble based on Reinbacher having issues with both his knees, which we hope are temporary/not a big whoop, is LaF for Rein. That can blow up in the face of either club, but Habs D depth, and we move on = could work x 2

 

[The Crypto Guy]

full concur
simply also volunteering that poster, as the record shows, was so egregiously skewed to pro zib THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON, that he earned the name Webster per some of us.



Yeah, we need more hate in the world --- not!
And heaping blame as well as praise is fine, provided it is honest and objective.
Hate is raw and concentrated and emotional, usually not intelligent
learn w/da bern
and be better than that


Fair conceptually as to LaF = huge marketing +, talent wise, pros and cons both sides.

Don't see Habs moving an F with that much upside for another F; need to add quality Fs.

Deal I am hoping for is a big gamble based on Reinbacher having issues with both his knees, which we hope are temporary/not a big whoop, is LaF for Rein. That can blow up in the face of either club, but Habs D depth, and we move on = could work x 2

Stop taking everything so literal, you’ll live longer. Take the crypto bros word for it.

 

[kovazub94]

This wasnt really me trying to stick up for Mika.

I am just tired of the dubbel standards and hypochrisy running rampart. The Bennett dick riding being the latest.

You could’ve surely made your point without bringing up Mika here.

 

[Siddi]

You could’ve surely made your point without bringing up Mika here.

How?

Bennet is about to get payed more than Mika on his next contract and there are some people who are fine with that despite hating on Mikas contract.

To be able to shine a light on the double standard I have to bring up the actual double standard.

 

[kovazub94]

I've been watching the Lightning with their board in the playoffs and it's the same platitudes we use. Nobody works hard except the team that wins the Cup.

I don't like the way we play any more than anybody else but we need to address real issues with the way the roster is made up.

If we make it all about attitude we're just gonna end up with another bad team that, at best, offers performative solutions only, and people will ultimately get tired of them too and offer the same critiques.

Did you watch Canes in NJ? Thoroughly dominated by the team that is thought of as soft that only had 5 defensemen most of the game. Canes easily making ECF (forget about SCF) this year is not a given.

 

[kovazub94]

How?

Bennet is about to get payed more than Mika on his next contract and there are some people who are fine with that despite hating on Mikas contract.

To be able to shine a light on the double standard I have to bring up the actual double standard.

Because for your point to work you need to have Mika move back to where he was more than two seasons ago first.

 

[Siddi]

Because for your point to work you need to have Mika move back to where he was more than two seasons ago first.

Mika right now at his worst is a better player than Sam Bennett. Mika sleepwalked himself to almost 40 points after new years. That would be only 11 points from Bennetts career year.

People who want to pay 9mil for 40+ points because of vibes are crazy.

 

[NYR Viper]

Mika right now at his worst is a better player than Sam Bennett. Mika sleepwalked himself to almost 40 points after new years. That would be only 11 points from Bennetts career year.

People who want to pay 9mil for 40+ points because of vibes are crazy.

He also can’t stay healthy and that generally doesn’t age well

 

[Siddi]

He also can’t stay healthy and that generally doesn’t age well

And there is also that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bennett isn’t making 9.

His contract will start with a 7 and that’s still pretty crazy.

 

[kovazub94]

Mika right now at his worst is a better player than Sam Bennett. Mika sleepwalked himself to almost 40 points after new years. That would be only 11 points from Bennetts career year.

People who want to pay 9mil for 40+ points because of vibes are crazy.

Bennett is not someone who I’d bring for that money for sure but he brings fighting spirit ie leadership to the locker room that Zibanejad seems to lack (for a guy who’s supposed to do it). In some way Zibanejad is at fault that Bennett is considered. Plus it’s not really apples to apples given where cap is heading.

 

[Boris Zubov]

He also can’t stay healthy and that generally doesn’t age well

Mika looked like a done player at 31. I don't care about the meaningless points he put up in the 2nd half of the season when the season was already lost.

 

[Siddi]

Bennett is not someone who I’d bring for that money for sure but he brings fighting spirit ie leadership to the locker room that Zibanejad seems to lack (for a guy who’s supposed to do it). In some way Zibanejad is at fault that Bennett is considered. Plus it’s not really apples to apples given where cap is heading.

You can get that fighting spirit for cheap. e..g Goodie.
A multirole 70+ point player for 8.5mil is a bargain given where the cap is heading.

 

[Synergy27]

No.

Ok.

 

[kovazub94]

You can get that fighting spirit for cheap. e..g Goodie.
A multirole 70+ point player for 8.5mil is a bargain given where the cap is heading.

I agree that Zibanejad contract is a bargain in this context. Again this means that it’s not apples to apples comparison if we’re discussing Bennett.

 

[majordomo]

If I had posted in the pre-season that the Habs will be better than us, I would have been crucified.

I would have believed you.

 

[Siddi]

I agree that Zibanejad contract is a bargain in this context. Again this means that it’s not apples to apples comparison if we’re discussing Bennett.

I agree in the context of our conversation that its not apples to apples but you are not who I was reffering to when speaking of double standards.

You and I are mostly in agreement regarding Zibanejad in general. We both agree his first half was horrible but if he can maintain his level of play from the second half going forward he could be part of the solution.

 

[majordomo]

The point of saying it that way was that 100 cents on the dollar would be waaay low.

I'd rather have a borderline 2RW with upside than a borderline 2RD at his peak. I like that 2RD, but it was no "coup." It was poor trade value. That was my point.

Unfortunately, it was the best Drury was going to get at that time.....once KK opened his mouth to the press, he was a goner and Drury was not going to let things fester any further by waiting for an equitable deal (if you recall, he was moving anyone who was unhappy and/or didn't want to be here as quickly as possible).

 

[Harbour Dog]

Zibanejad's contract is bad. Bennett's next contract will be bad.

Both are true, and pitting them against one another just creates room for dissension from what should be the shared opinion that we need to be harder to play against.

 

[McRanger92]

Bennett isn’t making 9.

His contract will start with a 7 and that’s still pretty crazy.

Is anyone here actually saying they want Bennett in any strong way? It’s all projection from a certain sect of posters

 

[Boris Zubov]

Is anyone here actually saying they want Bennett in any strong way? It’s all projection from a certain sect of posters

I wanted Bennett when he was on the block as a reclamation project in Calgary. I don't want anything to do with overpaying a broken down Bennett.

 

[Kendo]

Unfortunately, it was the best Drury was going to get at that time.....once KK opened his mouth to the press, he was a goner and Drury was not going to let things fester any further by waiting for an equitable deal (if you recall, he was moving anyone who was unhappy and/or didn't want to be here as quickly as possible).

We don't know if that was "the best," but we know it was a reactionary move. It's unfortunate that the relationship soured, but that caused his trade value to drop to (an exaggerated) 35 cents on the dollar.

The whole situation sucked. That's why I'm left with "I like Borgen. We overpaid in trade, but I like the player and we can't change the past."

 

[Fitzy]

The less optimistic I become that this team will be able to be competitive the next 2 seasons the more invested I become in making sure that we develop our one organizational strength- young wingers, for the next hypothetical window.

Guys like Othmann, Perreault, Berard, Cuylle NEED to all be with the Rangers permanently next season surrounding our established centers. I'm willing to give the Mas approach a spin- force these guys into roles and hope it brings out the best in them. That's a healthy mix of grit and skill from those guys. Rempe and Edstrom both look like they have solid 4th line potential as well. Can't believe I'm saying that about Rempe but when he uses his reach he does actually bring a dynamic that can be challenging for even NHL defensemen. A bit jealous, I could have taken some pointers from him about how to leverage his size on the offensive side of the puck.

We can come away with more Ryan Callahans and Brandon Dubinsky style guys from this group. I'm just more and more on board with trading Lafreniere for a guy like Owen Power, rather than trying to upgrade him to Tkachuk, and build a more meat-and-potatoes wing group like the Pens had for years.

 

[Kendo]

I wanted Bennett when he was on the block as a reclamation project in Calgary. I don't want anything to do with overpaying a broken down Bennett.

I was jealous of the Panthers when they got him. His extension was a great deal as well.

This next contract is gonna be so so bad.

 

[duhmetreE]

Still think they should try Laffy at Center.

Panarin JTM Zibs
Cuylle Laffy Gabe
Berard Tro Othmann

that's more depth chart than lines, but it works

fixing the defense is the biggest issue... an actual top4LHD with some actual talent needs to be added. There's no way around it.