Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[duhmetreE]

I think Torts loved Provorov so on top of being a Panarin truther, thats another mark against him.

They need to hire someone who knows what a modern defenseman looks like.

If Torts could bring us to a potential top10 xG%, I’ll take it.

He also really good at limiting high danger chances.

Pair that with Igor and a strong special teams and we’re cooking. He’d have to be hands off in that regard though

 

[majordomo]

Either way, simply putting a player on waivers in that situation violates neither the NTC nor it's spirit.

Oh, I agree.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Torts could bring us to a potential top10 xG%, I’ll take it.

He also really good at limiting high danger chances.

Pair that with Igor and a strong special teams and we’re cooking. He’d have to be hands off in that regard though

I really don't want someone who has a connection to any of the "core" guys, especially Panarin.

His PP's always suck. I know that the NYR PP sucked this year but that won't change with him leading the way.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Most likely they're going to as part of the current CBA negotiations. I don't even really think this is going to rise to the level of something the league would want concessions for. It'll just be a tweak they implement, not unlike the whole thing about NMCs and NTCs traveling with players they added last time around.

It’s happened exactly twice in the history of the cba.
No one’s gonna be fixing it

 

[Clark Kellogg]

He was already an emerging leader. When he was named captain HE bought books on leadership and teamwork for all of the players on the rangers to read and to help convey what a team culture was and why everyone was important. He wasnt doing his own research after he got the C, he was being a leader by pulling the group together and making sure they all realized that everyone was a part of the success. There is a HUGE difference...

Here’s my thoughts:
First watch this Will Borgen interview right after his contract extension.

There is a PR talking point. He goes out of his way to say that he doesn’t think there are any clicks[sic] in the room.
Strikes me as odd. The reporter didn’t ask a question about the rumored clique's.
I am a leader, have been since kindergarten.
When I was young, boys and girls would follow my lead. Carried over to my teenage years and then onto adulthood with those prospective peers.
As a leader or one of the leaders, the group always trusted that I had the best interest of the group at heart. There was no group within the group.
The most important aspect of being a good leader is to include anyone who wishes to be part of the group and as long as they played nice and respectful to the whole they would be a valued and protected member of the group. No one in the group would be allowed to abuse another member and if anyone outside the group would attack someone inside the group without cause then that person would feel the wrath of the entire group.
If there was cause, then the issue would be dealt with fairness and objectivity But always with the group member's psyche as the primary focus of the resolution.
The reason I bring up these points is because it was reported by more than one source (ie…Spitin Chicletes, Sportsnet, etc) that there was a group of veterans on the team that did not extend invitations to all members of the team and that Jacob Trouba was part of the “in” group. If true, that is damming.
When Zendo Chara took leadership of the Boston Bruin’s locker room, the first thing he did was stop rookie hazing.
Chara is a good leader. If you are on this team you are a Bruin. Not the idea that all Bruins are equal except some Bruins are more equal than other Bruins.

 

[Crease]

Is Torts actually a thing or just a meme turned rumor.

 

[McRanger92]

Believe it or not, I think it's because the team sucked, and he had a down year.

I know he has warts but I don't think he cares that little about it.

I didn’t really think he was a problem until he put his foot in his mouth pointing fingers in the last week of the season. Seems like Mika cares more about the optics than the substance. Just going off his own words.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He probably is. But if you asked me would you trade panarin for a 1st and a good young player, then go ahead and sign Marner to replace him, that would be a complete no brainer.

I dont disagree. However, panarins value will be most at the TDL where we can retain 50% and get massive value. Like look at what brock nelson got. One of the top prospects in hockey, 1st and a 3rd. Panarin is worth more than brock nelson.

 

[Do you want ants]

Is Torts actually a thing or just a meme turned rumor.

Unless I missed something, the Caps best writer mentioned Torts joining the Rangers (didn’t mention in what capacity) then Staples and someone else’s best writer refuted it.

 

[Tawnos]

It’s happened exactly twice in the history of the cba.
No one’s gonna be fixing it

The issue with the movement clauses not traveling only happened a couple of times too, but they fixed that one.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The issue with the movement clauses not traveling only happened a couple of times too, but they fixed that one.

The movement clauses not traveling was a violation of the spirit of an actual clause.
You sign a 8 year deal with clauses in years 5-8, you get traded in year 5, the clauses for year 6-8 shouldn’t magically go away

 

[duhmetreE]

I really don't want someone who has a connection to any of the "core" guys, especially Panarin.

His PP's always suck. I know that the NYR PP sucked this year but that won't change with him leading the way.

Why wouldn’t you? Panarin played a complete game under him

Torts has a short shelf life. That’s obvious. But he would squeeze out the most juice from this stale vet group. Maybe get someone like Laffy to stop coasting too

 

[TGWL]

Hahaha. Tampa went to McDonagh and told him if he didn't waive his clause they would put him on waivers and he'd end up on the worst team in the league... THAT is a threat and actually does circumvent the spirit of the NTC, unlike what that ogre Drury did...
I mean, you are welcome to have your opinion on Drury of course, but you have a clear double standard when you are painting TBL in a more positive light, when their tact was actually WORSE.

You're welcome to have your opinion as well, but you can't be taken serious when you say their tact was actually worse. Like, what ?

It seems you're dying on a hill of threatening vs being a slime ball here. Call it a threat, call it being straight forward, call it whatever you want, the difference is the GM went to the player to talk about their cap moving forward. You can say Tampa didn't treat him right, but In no way can it be viewed as worse.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You're welcome to have your opinion as well, but you can't be taken serious when you say their tact was actually worse. Like, what ?

Tbl and the rangers did things almost exactly the same. The difference is tbl won a cup. That’s it.
Vegas treated guys like shit, but they sign up and waive the ntc for them, because they won a cup.

 

[TGWL]

Tbl and the rangers did things almost exactly the same. The difference is tbl won a cup. That’s it.
Vegas treated guys like shit, but they sign up and waive the ntc for them, because they won a cup.

No, that isn't the difference. Also, why is the way Drury handled the situation less bad because other GM's may have made crummy moves before?

 

[IDvsEGO]

No, that isn't the difference. Also, why is the way Drury handled the situation less bad because other GM's may have made crummy moves before?

Crummy moves indicate that the move itself bad.
The two moves were both addition by subtraction moves.
That in and of itself is a net positive.

The only thing people are talking about with these moves is that the players feelings were hurt.

the moves were 100% fine via the cba. Neither trouba or goodrow sacrificed dollars for those ntc’s. Trouba had a no move previously and so he and his agent were very aware of the difference.

 

[RangerBoy]

Mats Zuccarello had an agent in Europe who called Tortorella's hockey system "stone aged age hockey".

I think every team can win if they have smart management. Howie Roseman is probably the best executive in professional sports. The Eagles have their great years. They struggle a bit. Roseman hires Nick Sirianni. Selects Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round. Drafts DeVonta Smith in the first round and trades for AJ Brown in his prime. The Eagles use their first round picks on the premium spots. QB, WR, OL especially tackle, DL especially push rusher and CB. They are able spend the money on Barkley because they draft well. They need to add youth to the secondary. No problem. Quinyon Mitchell in the first round. Cooper DeJean in the second round.

The Rangers are run by morons. Imbeciles. John Tortorella. I hope the franchise implodes.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Mats Zuccarello had an agent in Europe who called Tortorella's hockey system "stone aged age hockey".

I think every team can win if they have smart management. Howie Roseman is probably the best executive in professional sports. The Eagles have their great years. They struggle a bit. Roseman hires Nick Sirianni. Selects Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round. Drafts DeVonta Smith in the first round and trades for AJ Brown in his prime. The Eagles use their first round picks on the premium spots. QB, WR, OL especially tackle, DL especially push rusher and CB. They are able spend the money on Barkley because they draft well. They need to add youth to the secondary. No problem. Quinyon Mitchell in the first round. Cooper DeJean in the second round.

The Rangers are run by morons. Imbeciles. John Tortorella. I hope the franchise implodes.

Do you have inside info or something that they are hiring Torts?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I don't know why RB is going off on the Torts thing.

I guess its possible but reading the tea leaves it doesn't really sound like he's option a b or even c.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jim Cerny Live with the ESPN guy (insert first name here) Wyshski. They throw out the possibility of McJesus.
Imagine McDavid, JT Miller and Trocheck down the middle.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why wouldn’t you? Panarin played a complete game under him

Torts has a short shelf life. That’s obvious. But he would squeeze out the most juice from this stale vet group. Maybe get someone like Laffy to stop coasting too

He was a different player then (plus it was pre massive pay day) and his skills have diminished.

His "complete" game is over overstated. More complete than now is not complete.

I don't need someone who is going to cater to him again.

 

[leetch99]

Torts dual role as conditioning coach and team therapist

They certainly need a year round conditioning coach....they always looked gassed . Maybe a new indoor running/walking track for the country club....just a short one though as we would not want to see anyone getting played out .

 

[Kendo]

The movement clauses not traveling was a violation of the spirit of an actual clause.
You sign a 8 year deal with clauses in years 5-8, you get traded in year 5, the clauses for year 6-8 shouldn’t magically go away

I can see the argument that if you elect to waive the clause, then it goes poof. If you're traded to a team that isn't on your list, or if you're flat out put on waivers and claimed, then it should remain because you never waived it.

I don't think any of the examples of "threats" are circumventing anything. If anything, playing hardball by saying "we can put you on waivers if you don't elect to go wherever," is at least playing ball with the player. It's a courtesy to offer an "easy way," because the "hard way" by the letter of the law is always an option.

I wanted Trouba traded before the season started, don't fault Drury for trying, and will stand up for how Trouba handled it because I'm pro-worker as a default. In all of these examples (us, TBL, VGK), I don't think there's any actual bad guy. It sure is uncomfortable, but no one on any side did anything I would call "wrong."

 

[leetch99]

Seriously, this was incredibly bizarre by Mika. He has to be one of the most mentally soft players in the league. Incredible considering he’s been in the league for over a decade and spent the majority of that time as a star player.

Did Nathan MacKinnon crumble when they traded his close friend and running mate without consulting him first? Of course not. And I’m not comparing Mika to Nate as players because that’s not fair to Mika, but I was my veteran leaders to have his mindset. Guy seems like all he cares about is winning, which is how it should be. Sucks to lose friends sucks to have trades go down but to let it get to you as much as Mika admitted this stuff got to him is just crazy. He really shouldn’t have a letter if this is where his mind is at.

Chickens should not be wearing letters . It is a physical game with emotions running high and neither of those guys react the way a leader should if something were to happen . They are the type to wait and see if somebody else would jump in ahead of them before they would ever get involved . They NEVER go out and try to change/swing the momentum in a game with a big hit or two .....A couple of mommy type boys that hate getting dirt on their footwear ....I know everybody can't be like that....all fine and dandy ! BUT.....on a hockey club you need to put guys in these roles that will lead and not TIP TOE around things . Sometimes you need to get down and dirty and that is simply not part of their makeup. Maybe we asked too much from them ???

 

[majordomo]

I can see the argument that if you elect to waive the clause, then it goes poof. If you're traded to a team that isn't on your list, or if you're flat out put on waivers and claimed, then it should remain because you never waived it.

I don't think any of the examples of "threats" are circumventing anything. If anything, playing hardball by saying "we can put you on waivers if you don't elect to go wherever," is at least playing ball with the player. It's a courtesy to offer an "easy way," because the "hard way" by the letter of the law is always an option.

I wanted Trouba traded before the season started, don't fault Drury for trying, and will stand up for how Trouba handled it because I'm pro-worker as a default. In all of these examples (us, TBL, VGK), I don't think there's any actual bad guy. It sure is uncomfortable, but no one on any side did anything I would call "wrong."

As the old saying goes: "It's not personal....it's business."