Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Colorado traded Raantanen without even talking to MacKinnon first and Mika Zibanejad thinks he needs to be consulted on what management is up to in order to play well? It's a joke what a baby he is. He's nowhere near the player MacKinnon is, he has nowhere near the status or the actual achievements and yet somehow Nate is able to perform but Mika can't.

I absolutely hate Mika saying "that's what my contract says so I'm going to be here, I earnED it" it's just an incredibly selfish way to frame his situation.

How about saying you want to win here and you're going to do everything you can to get back to the level you know you can be at and bring a championship to New York? That contract goes both ways, you're paid what you are and have the clauses you do with the understanding that you have to perform at a certain level.
I'm not a Mika defender but he didn't say that. He said communication was bad. And it was. If you're going to make these big,moves and ship out two very respected voices in the room, have the decency to speak with the team. f***, have the decency to speak with Goodrow who was willing to work with them to find a landing spot, before it goes down. Part of his job as GM is managing the team, he sucks at it. He should have the foresight to consider how his actions are going to effect the team. Here's one thing I'll give the team credit for, they completely see through his fake tough guy act.
 
I'm not a Mika defender but he didn't say that. He said communication was bad. And it was. If you're going to make these big,moves and ship out two very respected voices in the room, have the decency to speak with the team. f***, have the decency to speak with Goodrow who was willing to work with them to find a landing spot, before it goes down. Part of his job as GM is managing the team, he sucks at it. He should have the foresight to consider how his actions are going to effect the team. Here's one thing I'll give the team credit for, they completely see through his fake tough guy act.
See I see this as making excuses for the players because you're mad at drury

people just making up these vague rules about what a GM is supposed to do because it fits their idea of how to bash him. From what I've seen most people involved with the NHL in some capacity have felt all this bitching about communication is bullshit and the players need to worry about their own game first.
 
This is giving Drury a ridiculous pass. He's the GM of the team with no one over him. His job is to figure it out and put the team in the best place to succeed, ideally beyond the next 6 months.
He also had an absolute f*** load of assets at his disposal including multiple top picks who's luster had not yet worn off, and no significant contracts outside of Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin, He could've gone in whatever direction he wanted. So naturally he traded Buch for steaming garbage and signed Goodrow to a 20M deal.
 
I'm not a Mika defender but he didn't say that. He said communication was bad. And it was. If you're going to make these big,moves and ship out two very respected voices in the room, have the decency to speak with the team. f***, have the decency to speak with Goodrow who was willing to work with them to find a landing spot, before it goes down. Part of his job as GM is managing the team, he sucks at it. He should have the foresight to consider how his actions are going to effect the team. Here's one thing I'll give the team credit for, they completely see through his fake tough guy act.
If he is talking about the fact that Drury should have communicated better with Goodrow, Trouba and Kreider, sure. The team as a whole doesn't need to know. Other players don't need to know.

And I still don't want this to come from Mika after the season he had. Focus on what went wrong with your season and how you are going to fix that, then worry about the stuff around you.
 
I'd like every player to watch that episode. Boyle and Larry were both spot on the whole time.
1000 percent I know Brooks gets a lot of shit but what he said is what most of us are thinking. Giving some of the kids a true chance. Hey about Cuylle some real pp time. Or even a chance with the empty net. How about Kreider shutting it down if he was hurt (hurt, sucking and hurting the team).
Just common sense shit that maybe some other reporters don't wanna say because they are afraid at the NYR backlash. Also his comments on what Mika said. How about playing for pride and the team/fans you represent and not about words on a f***ing contract.
 
If you go back to 23-24, if you polled many people on this board, almost universally we would have agreed that Chytil's career was nearly done and his contract was going to be a problem moving forward (LTIR rules, etc). Move forward in to 24-25 and he starts the season well but in hindsight, was he that good? He played a grand total of 56 games, had another head injury which sidelined him again which isn't great based on his track record and scored a whopping 26 points.

I wouldn't see many teams lining up to add a player like that

Miller scored more points in 32 games as a Ranger than Chytil has in any individual season of his career except one. Chytil is a good, but overrated player because he skates well.
 
IMO the thing is that this group had the entitled attitude and was "hard to coach" before all this went down. The giving up on the season was perhaps a result of the Goodrow and Trouba moves but the attitude that lead to it was already ingrained and has been there for years.

I think part of this was Drury taking on that attitude for better or worse

It does seem to have been that way for sure. If that was Drury taking on that attitude, then he failed miserably in how he went about it. And my thing is, anyone with anything like strong people management abilities would have known that. I'm not saying that Drury should've tip-toed around the team, afraid to make a move. I'm saying that any manager worth anything would've found a way not to light the whole thing on fire.
 
See I see this as making excuses for the players because you're mad at drury

people just making up these vague rules about what a GM is supposed to do because it fits their idea of how to bash him. From what I've seen most people involved with the NHL in some capacity have felt all this bitching about communication is bullshit and the players need to worry about their own game first.
I don't know how you look at how things unfolded this year and don't see absolute disarray, from everyone. And I'm not giving the players a pass, at all. They should be embarrassed. But Drury needs to do a better job, at everything. Extensions, player evaluations, how he handles the team. He's subpar at everything. Even his draft picks have been super underwhelming. He knew he needed to get rid of Trouba and Goodrow, great! My two year old knew that. It wasn't the fact that they had to go, it's the fact that it was executed so comically bad. And as Brooks said yesterday, if you think the team was still bellyaching and moaning about those two in March, you're (not you) crazy.
 
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1000 percent I know Brooks gets a lot of shit but what he said is what most of us are thinking. Giving some of the kids a true chance. Hey about Cuylle some real pp time. Or even a chance with the empty net. How about Kreider shutting it down if he was hurt (hurt, sucking and hurting the team).
Just common sense shit that maybe some other reporters don't wanna say because they are afraid at the NYR backlash. Also his comments on what Mika said. How about playing for pride and the team/fans you represent and not about words on a f***ing contract.
In some ways I thought it was telling that Mollie said "hey, I'm of a younger generation, I'm raised in that "talk about your emotions or be open and communicate" and the emotional turmoil around the team this year was...a bit much"

Basically implying she thought all the "noise" going on and the effect on the players was more than just "those young players these days!" kind of thing and that things were overboard
 
I don't know how you look at how things unfolded this year and don't see absolute disarray, from everyone. And I'm not giving the players a pass, at all. They should be embarrassed. But Drury needs to do a better job, at everything. Extensions, player evaluations, how he handles the team. He's subpar at everything. Even his draft picks have been super underwhelming. He knew he needed to get rid of Trouba and Goodrow, great! My two year old knew that. It wasn't the fact that they had to go, it's the fact that it was executed so comically bad. And as Brooks said yesterday, if you think the team was still bellyaching and moaning about those two in March, you're (not you) crazy.
I agree! Would be happy to see Drury fired!

The team still sucked in march because they still dont' want to pay attention to details and buckle down and work hard, they want to play the game the way they want to play and ignore the coach
 
If he is talking about the fact that Drury should have communicated better with Goodrow, Trouba and Kreider, sure. The team as a whole doesn't need to know. Other players don't need to know.

And I still don't want this to come from Mika after the season he had. Focus on what went wrong with your season and how you are going to fix that, then worry about the stuff around you.
Mika was terrible. I don't know if anyone is going to argue that. In retrospect, he should have kept his yap shut at break up day. But us fans get mad when players give canned responses and get mad when they open up and speak from the heart. They're in a no win situation. Like, people actually think Kreider discussing his injuries is some jedi mind trick to not get traded? How damaged are some of these people??
 
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If just a few of our players could find in themselves some of what Tocchet brought every game ...we would be a pretty good club and a lot harder opponent to face . Right now outside of a couple...we have become a spineless hockey club and the oone guy that we think can fight....can't fight his way out of a paper bag but he does try like Brian Boyle did .

A spineless club....that needs addressing and to do that we need a culture change and some leaders on the ice . It's not about winning or losing a fight...but don't run from one . I really doubt Drury can get it done......prepare for more dark years and lots of traded drafts .....it sucks cheering for this team . The fans also need a huge kick in the ass ....they should be on their play at every game and soon enough the message will hit home .
What? If Boyle fought anyone that Rempe fought at the NHL level his career would have been ended. Hahahaha. Rempe is awkward as hell, but as a 22 and 23 year old he fought pretty much EVERY veteran heavyweight and got tuned up ONCE. Olivier who does that to pretty much everyone.
Anyway, Guys on this team who have, or would, drop the gloves for a teammate: Rempe, Carrick, Lafreniere, Cuylle, Borgen, Schneider. Trocheck probably too. I'm saying Othmann would. And I may be missing others. And technically, every NYR on the ice for that Rempe/MacDerimd line brawl did, at LEAST in solidarity. We have guys who will stick up for teammates... but we have some glaring core players who won't.
 
I don't know how you look at how things unfolded this year and don't see absolute disarray, from everyone. And I'm not giving the players a pass, at all. They should be embarrassed. But Drury needs to do a better job, at everything. Extensions, player evaluations, how he handles the team. He's subpar at everything. Even his draft picks have been super underwhelming. He knew he needed to get rid of Trouba and Goodrow, great! My two year old knew that. It wasn't the fact that they had to go, it's the fact that it was executed so comically bad. And as Brooks said yesterday, if you think the team was still bellyaching and moaning about those two in March, you're (not you) crazy.

There's a lot of lack of understanding that two things can be true at once. Hell, even three things can be true at once!

Drury f***ed up.
Laviolette f***ed up.
Most of the players on the team f***ed up.

So far, Laviolette is the only one whose faced any consequences for it, and I do find that frustrating. Zibanejad was the only player on breakup day who was even willing to hint that it wasn't just the players that screwed up this year. He was the only one willing to express anything remotely close to the full truth. Everyone else was just player-speak. And while I totally understand that people don't want to hear it from him after the year he had, at least it wasn't just the same old platitudes that we got from Fox and Trocheck.
 
There's a lot of lack of understanding that two things can be true at once. Hell, even three things can be true at once!

Drury f***ed up.
Laviolette f***ed up.
Most of the players on the team f***ed up.

So far, Laviolette is the only one whose faced any consequences for it, and I do find that frustrating. Zibanejad was the only player on breakup day who was even willing to hint that it wasn't just the players that screwed up this year. He was the only one willing to express anything remotely close to the full truth. Everyone else was just player-speak. And while I totally understand that people don't want to hear it from him after the year he had, at least it wasn't just the same old platitudes that we got from Fox and Trocheck.
This is perfect.
 
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The captain hindsight on Guentzel is hilarious. I can guarantee with out a shadow of a doubt that this place would have gone up in flames if they had moved Kakko for what would have eventually been a rental player (they wouldn't have been able to afford Guentzel.) The rumor thread probably still exists, almost everyone to a letter f***ing hated that idea and was relieved when it didn't go down.

JG would have been a poor fit here (1000000% would have been put on a line with Kreider and Zibanejad and he wouldn't have broken onto PP 1) and wouldn't have changed the outcome of the season at all. Sweeping the first 2 rounds would have been fun but Guentzel or no Guentzel, they weren't getting by Florida with the likes of Trouba and Lindgren in the top 4.

Any anger surrounding Kakko shouldn't be around who they didn't move him for or who they eventually did move him for, it should be around the fact that they botched his development to appease Panarin and chase the purple dragon of a playoff spot because the team was "ahead of schedule."
I knew they were never gonna keep Guentzel and as you know, I didn't take last year's team that seriously, so I didn't really want them going for big rentals.

The only reason I mentioned Guentzel is because it annoys me how Trouba has his foot taken clean off his leg and they didn't do any LTIR shenanigans even when they had a legit reason to do so.

Even if I don't think you should be contending, if you decide you are, I'm gonna judge you for not doing it right.
 
Ok, but like, here's the thing: people keep propping this up as getting rid of a potential problem contract in Chytil, meanwhile we added $40m with a no movement clause.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Miller waived his NMC for this trade, the Rangers no longer have to adhere to that clause?

@GAGLine to the rescue!

He also has only 2 more years until his 15 team NTC kicks in
 
This Rangers team has shown signs of what happened this season, for years. It only manifested itself in a lost season until now. Up 2-0 on Tampa in 2022, they don’t win another game the rest of the series. Up 2-0 against the Devils in 23, lose in a Game 7 where they don’t score a goal. Up 2-1 against Florida last year, lose in 6.

The captain uses unscrupulous means to scuttle managements plans to change the core, and the team folds again. To say they lack talent is one thing, but to miss the playoffs altogether with this roster is unforgivable. I mean how many times do we have to see it with this set of players?

Spare me that it’s somehow Drury’s fault the leaders couldn’t lead. I don’t care if they fire him or not, but the legacy players who feel somehow slighted need to go first. Let him finish that job and then let him go next year if you want. But then we’ll just have another lame duck coach with new management that didn’t hire him. Choose your own adventure.
 
What you're describing isn't "treatment of players"

The McDonagh trade to Nashville is actually a GREAT example of how to handle this properly, and is in stark contrast to how things went with Drury last June. The Lightning GM sat McDonagh down at the team's exit meetings and told him what was up. McDonagh had a full-NTC, and there were deals being negotiated for a few weeks but none had come to fruition yet. Brisebois had set a deadline on when he needed to have the trade done, and if it wasn't going to be done by then, McDonagh would be put on waivers. The player *knew* this. Stamkos was told by the GM he wasn't going to be re-signed before he became a free agent. Marchand was told by the GM he was going to be traded before he was traded.

Meanwhile, Goodrow didn't know he was going to be waived until he was. Trouba was still under a NMC and Drury did not let him know that he was looking to trade him, and didn't find out until the deal to Detroit was pretty far down the road. It isn't about the fact that Goodrow was put on waivers and it isn't about the fact that Drury was trying to trade Trouba. It's about the fact that Drury treated the players like nothing more than assets, instead of treating them with courtesy and respect. It doesn't matter than both players were underperforming their contracts... they still deserved at least that from Drury.

-Does it absolve Trouba of the way he handled what came next? Of course not. He's allowed to use whatever methods his contract allows to prevent a move. But if you're going to do it the way he did, you better come into the season prepared to perform. Instead, he further poisoned the room.
-Does it absolve the rest of the team from the responsibility of their poor play the rest of the year? Absolutely not. You can be upset with your boss and still do your work with pride. Maybe it would take a few weeks to get over it, but it shouldn't linger any further than that.

In other words, the original sins that lead to this season were Drury's. The rest of it? That's on the players.
The worst thing about this season is, that even with hindsight, knowing that jettisoning Goodrow and Trouba will scuttle the team morale and lead to several of the most disgusting Rangers games I've ever seen (effin hell, periods and half games. I don't think actually watched full through even a dozen games this season), I'd still axe them without blinking. They had to go.
 
This Rangers team has shown signs of what happened this season, for years. It only manifested itself in a lost season until now. Up 2-0 on Tampa in 2022, they don’t win another game the rest of the series. Up 2-0 against the Devils in 23, lose in a Game 7 where they don’t score a goal. Up 2-1 against Florida last year, lose in 6.

The captain uses unscrupulous means to scuttle managements plans to change the core, and the team folds again. To say they lack talent is one thing, but to miss the playoffs altogether with this roster is unforgivable. I mean how many times do we have to see it with this set of players?

Spare me that it’s somehow Drury’s fault the leaders couldn’t lead. I don’t care if they fire him or not, but the legacy players who feel somehow slighted need to go first. Let him finish that job and then let him go next year if you want. But then we’ll just have another lame duck coach with new management that didn’t hire him. Choose your own adventure.
I get this, and I mostly agree, but if we're talking about past series losses as red flags, I'm already seeing plenty of stuff from Drury that I think we're gonna look back on as red flags.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Miller waived his NMC for this trade, the Rangers no longer have to adhere to that clause?

@GAGLine to the rescue!

He also has only 2 more years until his 15 team NTC kicks in

Fairly sure that only applies to when you trade a player before the contract kicks in... and I'm also fairly sure that changed in the last CBA/MOU but someone else can confirm.
 
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The worst thing about this season is, that even with hindsight, knowing that jettisoning Goodrow and Trouba will scuttle the team morale and lead to several of the most disgusting Rangers games I've ever seen (effin hell, periods and half games. I don't think actually watched full through even a dozen games this season), I'd still axe them without blinking. They had to go.

It's kind of besides the point, since it was the manner of their axing that was the problem.

That being said, my understanding was that the Trouba to Detroit trade was the first step (or I guess second step after Goodrow) in a bunch of moves Drury was going to try to pull off last offseason. He needed the flexibility of getting Trouba's contract off the books to do it and it torpedoed his whole plan. Who knows how bold it really was going to be, and who knows if he would've been able to do it... but in the end he got in his own way.
 
Fairly sure that only applies to when you trade a player before the contract kicks in... and I'm also fairly sure that changed in the last CBA/MOU but someone else can confirm.
Can confirm. All trade clauses will always travel.

CBA §11.8 amended to provide that No-Trade and No-Move clauses shall always travel with the Player in the event of an Assignment (by Trade or Waivers) of the SPC.
 

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