Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[EdJovanovski]

do you even read what you post? or are you messing around? this is edstroms quote. "due to injury"

I got it from this tweet, but that makes much more sense now lol

 

[Good Intentions]

Yeah. Trouba is a very bad person. I don't know why anyone feels bad for this guy. He f***ed the jets when he got moved the first time, he f***ed the rangers when he felt like it. Him and his agent collided to ensure nobody would trade for him.

I posted it earlier today. The lynchpin that stands to have destroyed this team was in fact a quoting Jacob Trouba, which was a Gorton move.

The entitlement is wild. He’s just a midwestern jock, right place and time. Big dumbass posing as a sensitive artist in Chelsea. Captain? Absolute joke from Day 1. He’s a Derian Hatcher-era #4, a dumb but useful soldier. Leader? Never. Entitled idiot.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Hoo boy, Mika and K'andre in particular come off pretty poorly in their comments.

Vally is right, it's not the players' job to worry about what management is doing. Play better and none of your friends are going to get traded if that's priority number one. Complaining you don't know what's going on is particularly rich when everyone in the hockey world knew what Drury was doing, everyone knew who the weak links and bad contracts were. It started over the summer, plain as day. Even had his league wide message about wanting to move core guys go public, that's more than most players ever hear. Does Drury need to consult Mika Zibanejad with every decision he's making?

Blaming his play on that and calling it the hardest time of his career is so insanely mentally weak and it's flat out admitting he can't tune out the noise. At least Kreider has somewhat of an excuse with his body failing him this year, Mika literally lived up to the meme of him being a depressed baby. I've flipped my view on them, I'd ship Mika out and keep Kreider around for bottom 6 and PK duty if one of them has to stay.

Managers manage, coaches coach and players play. You can only control what you can control, how does an NHL veteran with his experience and time in the league think it's acceptable at all to use any of what Drury was doing as an excuse? You're paid handsomely to play hockey, not worry about what the GM is doing or even worse, curate a friend group. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup.

 

[maddskkilz]

Yah Zibanejad’s comments rubbed me the wrong way a bit. He should / could have taken more ownership of his subpar play instead of saying the players need to be more involved with management side. Yes there should be cohesion so everyone is on the same page but that’s not a prerequisite for playing hard

 

[mrhockey193195]

Are you conveniently forgetting how he invoked his wife's career as a reason he couldn't leave last summer?

He said he didn't want to waive his NTC over the summer because he and his wife wanted to stay in NY. His wife was in a residency program in NYC. Again, what's the problem here? He negotiated that right in his contract, why should he have given it up for nothing in return?!?!?

And how he had his agent poison the well of interested teams? He made it clear he wasn't going to make it easy for the team to move him within the parameters of his limited NTC. He literally nuked the trade market for himself.

Was this ever substantiated? I remember there being a suggestion of this in the Post, but I never saw anyone confirm this outside of that one article that frankly just felt like conjecture at the time. If I'm wrong on this, I'll happily walk back on this point.

It was only after he was threatened with waivers in December that he finally relented.

Yeah, makes sense after months of being told (explicitly through the media and implicitly from your management) that you aren't wanted, at some point he relented and said f*** it.

And after all of that, Drury still worked with him to do right by him. f*** that guy. Seriously f*** him. This is the same guy who strong armed the Jets as an RFA.

...what?!?! How? Drury never spoke to him once between July and December. Drury came to him with two trades over that weekend in December, and Trouba agreed to waive for the Anaheim one. What favor did Drury do him? How did he do right by Trouba?


I say all of this as someone who thinks Trouba was a massive disappointment and trading him was a huge benefit to our roster and long-term prospects. But from what I can see, Trouba did nothing wrong. You're pissed at him for exercising a right he negotiated in his contract, and for not forgoing that right to do the Rangers a favor for nothing in return.

 

[Boris Zubov]

He said he didn't want to waive his NTC over the summer because he and his wife wanted to stay in NY. His wife was in a residency program in NYC. Again, what's the problem here? He negotiated that right in his contract, why should he have given it up for nothing in return?!?!?



Was this ever substantiated? I remember there being a suggestion of this in the Post, but I never saw anyone confirm this outside of that one article that frankly just felt like conjecture at the time. If I'm wrong on this, I'll happily walk back on this point.



Yeah, makes sense after months of being told (explicitly through the media and implicitly from your management) that you aren't wanted, at some point he relented and said f*** it.


...what?!?! How? Drury never spoke to him once between July and December. Drury came to him with two trades over that weekend in December, and Trouba agreed to waive for the Anaheim one. What favor did Drury do him? How did he do right by Trouba?


I say all of this as someone who thinks Trouba was a massive disappointment and trading him was a huge benefit to our roster and long-term prospects. But from what I can see, Trouba did nothing wrong. You're pissed at him for exercising a right he negotiated in his contract, and for not forgoing that right to do the Rangers a favor for nothing in return.

I'm not pissed that he exercised his trade protection, I don't like how entitled & special he acted. But let's be clear, he wasn't doing ANYONE any favors...sounds like you're erroneously thinking he had full trade protection when he only had a 15 team no trade list.

Because he didn't have a full NTC, there was nothing to waive, nor would there be any reason for the Rangers to incentivize him to do so. However, he & his agent strategically maneuvered around it when they began feeding the media his rumored destinations. Larry Brooks on spitting chicklets basically confirmed that he & his agent were the ones that leaked the Detroit rumors & how he didn't want to leave NY, which basically killed his value last summer & preventing Drury from making a deal becuase he had zero leverage. No chance we get anything back for him & we probably have to retain at that point once all the issues about his wife were put out there.

Not only did he relent in December he admitted he quit on the team. So we're back to this issue about him & his teammates punting the season. Trouba is exhibit A. You don't think his friends on the team didn't follow his lead when they were in the midst of a 4-15 collapse, showing absolutely zero heart or effort?

Regardless, Trouba was the one who came out & said that when Drury told him he would be waived, Drury also did the right thing by trading him to Anaheim. California is full of teaching hospitals & winding up in sunny So Cal isn't a bad punishment when you suck at your previous job & quit on your team. I'd call that doing right by him. Anyway, Trouba was the source on that when he did an interview immediately following the trade. Look it up.

You think he did nothing wrong. I & many others think he acted like a self entitled prick... he had a prior history of being a self entitled prick. Your views are very player centric. Usually I am too, but this core can get f***ed. I've never despised an entire team more than this one.

 

[mike14]

Had an incredibly relaxing work trip all day today which was great, so just catching up on the last 15 pages or so.
Just wanted to say that most of you guys are off the chain insane and it's super entertaining. Thank you all.
Draft and FA is going to be a wild ride

 

[Siddi]

Next captain material.

I mean, from all the cliche soundbytes coming out from exit day this was the most insightfull. Taking responsibility but also throwing a punch at management for being shit at communicating with the players.

 

[Siddi]

So essentially what we got out of clean out day was nothing. They're disappointed with the season, blaming it on distractions for the most part, pointing back to Goodrow and trouba exits, and not a ton of accountability. Why am I not surprised...

And I'm not trying to downplay kreider or anybody else that had injuries but it's all got to be put in context here. There are guys playing right now in the playoffs with worse injuries Jane then what this group has. If you're hurt bad enough that you can't play then don't play, and if you can play then you should be playing to a standard and at the very least if you can't physically play up to your normal standard you should have the effort component. Throughout this entire lackadaisical roster effort and accountability were absent all year and now it even sprawls into breakup day.

I don't want to hear any more crap about a lot of outside noise or our teammates got traded away or whatever other crap they want to whine about at this point, just own how bad you were this year. Just own the fact that if you actually provided even a marginally consistent effort this season the team would have made the playoffs.

The fact that there's still whining about Goodrow and trouba, or that Mika is projecting that somehow he should be in the know about what's going on in the organization just continues to wreak of entitlement. Of course the captain of the team is going to have a line of communication to the coach and potentially up to the management, but when the captain is traded somebody within the room needs to fill that void and it doesn't look like anybody in that room actually filled the void. That's on the f***ing players.

And if Mika's going to cry about it then he should have been the guy to try to step up. The guy wants to wear an A on his jersey and yet he doesn't actually fill that void in any way whatsoever other than to scream at a referee when Miller gets slashed in the nuts. What a bunch of just absolute zombies...

Or maybe, just maybe the core vets tried to step up and fill the void left by Trouba by approaching Drury about the future of the team and what the plan is going forward but Drury was too busy stuffing his face with pizza.

I am of course speculating but there is something there in the comments from Mika about lack of communication from management towards the players.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm not thirilled by players saying the execution wasn't there. While that is true it implies that the effort was there. There wasn't enough effort. It starts there.

 

[Siddi]

I wonder if Zibanejad just signed his way out of NY with that quote. That's "Waive or you sit. As long as it takes" territory.

Or he is the only one with balls to call Drury out and knows he cant be traded and Dolan would never agree to sit an 8.5 mil asset who produces. I think it is more likely Drury is gone if push comes to shove.

 

[RangerBoy]

Mika needs to go. If Ryan Martin leaves the organization to join Kenny Holland somewhere this summer, perhaps Mika will apply for the AGM job. This guy has become too much.



KAM doesn't want to here long-term.

Comments from yesterday

K’Andre Miller is a restricted free agent, but he did not comment much on a potential extension. He said his agent will help him through the process.

“I love New York,” he said. “I wouldn’t want to play anywhere else right now.”

Rangers reflect on poor season, Drury’s trade memo and accountability: ‘Something broke’

After a season of underperformance, a third coach firing in four years and “a lot of noise,” the Rangers gave their exit interviews Monday.

www.nytimes.com

Vince spoke to Miller three weeks ago

It sounds like Miller is hoping to stay put in New York, with a strategic short-term deal that takes him to his 2027 UFA summer possibly in the cards.

"I’ve been fortunate to call it home for the last five years," he said. "I hope to call it home for a couple more."

Hold or sell? NY Rangers, K'Andre Miller are reaching a crossroads in contract year

K'Andre Miller's upside is tantalizing, but will the defenseman's inconsistencies convince the Blueshirts to move in a different direction?

www.northjersey.com

Right now. Couple more. Miller is a two years away from group III. Perhaps NY is too much for him and he wants to play in a more quieter place.

Drury needs to move Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider this summer. The Rangers would be fools to re-up Panarin this summer after the Strang story last week. No crime was committed but it's a bad look and bad judgement by the player. He needs to go. Mika is a big baby. I saw Kreider's media session on YT. He is a long time Ranger. He also needs to go.

 

[egelband]

Why does Mika Zibanejad feel he has to know everything anyhow? I like the guy but he needs to get a grip.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Right now. Couple more. Miller is a two years away from group III. Perhaps NY is too much for him and he wants to play in a more quieter place.

FWIW, this is what I get from Miller's comments about the "noise" too.

He isn't talking about Goodrow or Trouba; he's talking about us. Rabid fans who shit on the team constantly. Not all teams' fans force their players to stay away from social media, only the bigger market under-achieving ones.

 

[mas0764]

I watched Brett Howden take the puck blow by a defender and score last night. I want blood.

“This isn’t a development league. The Rangers just picked the wrong players. The team has nothing to do with player development.”

- some guy, on this board, desperate to be wrong, circa 2024

 

[LionsHeart]

I remember before Laviolette was hired Larry Brooks said this was a “tough group to coach,” and now I think we all see why. They’re talented, but they’re so damn temperamental.

I’ve also never been a “these guys get paid millions to play a kids game while I bust my ass just to put food on the table” guy, but as fans we pay a premium to watch the Rangers. Way more than anyone else in the United States. These guys just flat out quit. There are probably guys who were able to get out of a shift, a kid who was celebrating his birthday, a family that saved up all year to go to a Ranger game, and these guys just couldn’t be bothered to show up because they got mad at management. I’ll never forget or forgive that as a fan.

I’m sure MacKinnon wasn’t happy about the Rantanen trade, but he’s still a professional that played his ass off.

 

[RangersFan1994]

So Panarin is the only Ranger that doesn't have to give an exit interview video because of his lack of or because of his no English excuse? Igpr had no issues talking to the media in English and been in the states less time than Panarin . No accountability with this organization. Major red flag.. if the Rangers were smart they'd trade Panarin at the draft but since they wait until the last minute, they'll wait until the deadline and get less value because they always tend to wait longer than they should

 

[BBKers]

The cattle need to realize that they will never run the rodeo. Tis the fate of the cattlemen and their cowboys

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

May be a hot take. If Rempe continues to put the work in and develops into a strong 3rd liner while avoiding suspensions, I think he's going to be captain material.

 

[noncents]

May be a hot take. If Rempe continues to put the work in and develops into a strong 3rd liner while avoiding suspensions, I think he's going to be captain material.

hahaha

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Panarin not even reading some pre-written statement really, and I mean really, rubs me the wrong way. Just the cherry on top of this sundae.

 

[Fitzy]

Not just a fourth liner. A bottom 10 4th liner in the league, paid like a middle 6 guy.

f*** that Goodrow signing and the Buch trade. Two cases where we all knew just how dumb they were from the get go.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Panarin not even reading some pre-written statement really, and I mean really, rubs me the wrong way. Just the cherry on top of this sundae.

No video on breakup day from Panarin. But everyone else has a video. So Panarin can use the no English excuse whenever he seems fit trade this playoff noshow

 

[17futurecap]

Panarin was there, and said he would answer hockey questions, no idea if they talked to him or not, but blame the PR team for not putting up whatever he was asked.

 

[Levitate]

Or maybe, just maybe the core vets tried to step up and fill the void left by Trouba by approaching Drury about the future of the team and what the plan is going forward but Drury was too busy stuffing his face with pizza.

I am of course speculating but there is something there in the comments from Mika about lack of communication from management towards the players.

Why didn’t they step up and provide leadership among the team and play better?

Goodrow and Trouba didn’t leave holes in the lineup that were hard to fill. But if they were the only things keeping the other guys in line then it’s an indictment of the rest of the players

Trading a few players shouldn’t result in an existential crisis. There’s no reason the players should get to demand to be told Drury plans at that point. Play the game. You’ve been playing like shit, worry about your own game.

People letting their dislike of Drury get in the way of realizing how wild shit like those statements from Zibanejad are. Vally is right.