Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

See, I want to still like Mika and Kreider and all that but it seems very obvious that they feel that they are the team and are in control. Drury threatening that control sent the team careening off the cliff. They got another coach fired.

You might love playing here and think you've put in your dues and are owed something else but you're only owed your contract. Brian Leetch wasn't consulted before he was traded and he's 10x the player these guys are

Drury could do shit a lot better than he has but players are just running around out there thinking they get to dictate the shape and style of the team and meanwhile they've won jack and shit.


oh and for all the "Gorton put this team together and Drury is ruining it!" Gorton's the one who drafted all those draft busts, he's the one who brought in a bunch of these guys, he set this team up with the flaws that is has. I'm not excusing Drury but Gorton had his hand in where this team has landed as well.

This team can't develop players, we have no idea how this team could have turned out. Lafreniere and Kakko were consensus picks, it's the organization that's the problem, Robertson is another prime example, guy was a horse in the WHL, this team has no idea what they are doing.
 
He said that the first part of this year was the most challenging of his career.

That is insane.

The first part of a year where your team didn't even make the playoffs and you are a cemented vet with long term job security not just in money but in contract clauses as well, tons of millions made, and a family - but this is the hardest part?

The playoffs where the teams that you were a key part of fell short, and you well underperformed weren't more challenging? The time you got traded away from the team that drafted you and you had no long term job security or things to fall back on for support or encouragement or security weren't more challenging? The season where you took a hard hit to chest and went out with a major injury when you were having a great year and it stifled your production and your team's performance wasn't more challenging?

Every "challenge" Mika faces is the newest hardest challenge of his life. Jesus christ
I was talking about K'Andre but point taken. I don't disagree with you.

My Zibanejad and Panarin jerseys are hitting eBay this week. If anyone wants them, DM me and we can talk.
 
Steve is 100% right. Drury needs to use his douchebag tendencies for good to force Zibanejad to waive his NMC. Guy is a f***ing clown. Kreider too but that was a foregone conclusion if he wanted any cap space heading into the offseason.
10000000% valley is going after Mika. I wanted to give Mika the reset for next year. To say let's see this guy bounce back, but after his comments today the guy exposed himself as one of the problems. Who the f*** is he to talk to the media on breakup day and actually suggest that management needs to keep him and players in the loop?? Wtf. His job is to collect 8.5 million dollars a year and play his bag off for the team that is paying him and this f***ing guy wants to be in the loop on things. f*** off

Today was extremely enlightening on certain players even though most of them didn't say anything that on the surface is earth shattering.
 
The guys that dont have the balls to stand there and take accountability for their own shit play, are a problem. Every guy should be taking a good hard look in the mirror. Blaming org, team, yada yada is weak as hell. This is not bad leadership, its a leadership void. Who's going to step up and put their ass on the line and commit to getting it done?
 
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Vally is right, no one wants to be accountable. The Mika and Kreider answers epitomize that. It’s a joke. Neither of them owned any blame. At least Fox and Laf did in some ways. These two are the most tenured leaders. It’s horrible.

“The players were on notice”
- exactly. There didn’t need to be more communication on that to Kreider and Zibanejad. You gotta real damn dense to not understand what was at stake and what was going on. It is just bitching and moaning with no accountability.
Like a said since prior to Thanksgiving, a war with the players and management. These douche's openly exposed themselves today as cancers and causes to that war. Again, people sometimes miscalculate the importance of players to a room, to a whole, beyond what their stats are or what they do on the ice. There is value elsewhere to a team. Three guys were pulled out of the room this year that had value well beyond their on ice stats and the leadership vacuum allowed the entitlement of some to rub off on the others within the team. Honestly, if Mika and kreider are back next year how can anyone actually believe a single word about accountability? Mika would have done himself more good by not answering any questions today.
 
The guys that dont have the balls to stand there and take accountability for their own shit play, are a problem. Every guy should be taking a good hard look in the mirror. Blaming org, team, yada yada is weak as hell. This is not bad leadership, its a leadership void. Who's going to step up and put their ass on the line and commit to getting it done?
But these divas that are avoiding accountability are literally the players with letters on their jerseys. That should show everything people need to know about this mess. Brooks always talks about the lame duck captain with trouba this year and he's right. When trouba stopped leading this zombies took over and that's why you got what you did this year. There's no quick fix for this with no internal leadership in this room. That's why whoever the next coach is better be able to demand accountability from the players bc they aren't equipped to do that to themselves at this point.
 
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See, I want to still like Mika and Kreider and all that but it seems very obvious that they feel that they are the team and are in control. Drury threatening that control sent the team careening off the cliff. They got another coach fired.

You might love playing here and think you've put in your dues and are owed something else but you're only owed your contract. Brian Leetch wasn't consulted before he was traded and he's 10x the player these guys are

Drury could do shit a lot better than he has but players are just running around out there thinking they get to dictate the shape and style of the team and meanwhile they've won jack and shit.


oh and for all the "Gorton put this team together and Drury is ruining it!" Gorton's the one who drafted all those draft busts, he's the one who brought in a bunch of these guys, he set this team up with the flaws that is has. I'm not excusing Drury but Gorton had his hand in where this team has landed as well.

If Zibanejad is one of the biggest problems in the room, how does Drury get even a slight pass given he's the one that inked him to an 8 year buyout proof full NMC deal? Can blame Gorton for plenty but not Mika.
 
But this divas that are avoiding accountability are literally the players with letters on their jerseys. That should show everything people need to know about this mess. Brooks always talks about the lame duck captain with trouba this year and he's right. When trouba stopped leading this zombies took over and that's why you got what you did this year. There's no quick fix for this with no internal leadership in this room. That's why whoever the next coach is better be able to demand accountability from the players bc they aren't equipped to do that to themselves at this point.
And this is the exact reason I gave up my season tickets(last friday was the cutoff to renew). This is a group of all out losers. I would VERY happily cheer on a group of young guys busting their asses and missing playoffs. I will not waste my money, time and effort when the product on the ice couldn't care less. Never been more disappointed in this organization than I am right now...and I agree, no easy answers.
 
Sounds like that may have been the hand.
It was reported everywhere it was his back. And I hate to say this in a shitty way but Trocheck played with a broken finger all the way through 4 nations and the end of the season. I'm not giving kreider and his bullshit any benefit of the doubt at this point. He was very publically too hurt to play until exactly after the deadline and then he was fine? f*** those games...
 
Like a said since prior to Thanksgiving, a war with the players and management. These douche's openly exposed themselves today as cancers and causes to that war. Again, people sometimes miscalculate the importance of players to a room, to a whole, beyond what their stats are or what they do on the ice. There is value elsewhere to a team. Three guys were pulled out of the room this year that had value well beyond their on ice stats and the leadership vacuum allowed the entitlement of some to rub off on the others within the team. Honestly, if Mika and kreider are back next year how can anyone actually believe a single word about accountability? Mika would have done himself more good by not answering any questions today.

Again I think they've gotten too high huffing their own farts. They had a lovely little group and some small success but haven't won the main event or come close to it but they want to act like they run the show and breaking up the band is inconceivable.

If Zibanejad is one of the biggest problems in the room, how does Drury get even a slight pass given he's the one that inked him to an 8 year buyout proof full NMC deal? Can blame Gorton for plenty but not Mika.
For sure! I would suspect this entitlement didn't quite start until after their run under Gallant. Maybe they were tight before and all but it feels like that was a tipping point to some extent. I remember after Gallant was fired people were saying the players wanted more leadership from the coaches and accountability there but not all the players wanted that, some of them resisted it. And I think we can guess who.

Unfortunately Laviolette didn't have the balls to crack the whip and let himself get run over by these players while hoping they'd snap out of it and save his job.

Just disappointing shit all around from every place in the organization
 
See, I want to still like Mika and Kreider and all that but it seems very obvious that they feel that they are the team and are in control. Drury threatening that control sent the team careening off the cliff. They got another coach fired.

You might love playing here and think you've put in your dues and are owed something else but you're only owed your contract. Brian Leetch wasn't consulted before he was traded and he's 10x the player these guys are

Drury could do shit a lot better than he has but players are just running around out there thinking they get to dictate the shape and style of the team and meanwhile they've won jack and shit.


oh and for all the "Gorton put this team together and Drury is ruining it!" Gorton's the one who drafted all those draft busts, he's the one who brought in a bunch of these guys, he set this team up with the flaws that is has. I'm not excusing Drury but Gorton had his hand in where this team has landed as well.
Hard amen to this post. My sentiment exactly
 
I mean I dunno but it's very obvious this power struggle is still ongoing. They're challenging the GM here publically and Drury doesn't seem the type to put up with that shit, for better or worse.

yeah he put himself in this position but I wouldn't be the least surprised if he finds a way out of it whatever it takes
 
Are you conveniently forgetting how he invoked his wife's career as a reason he couldn't leave last summer? And how he had his agent poison the well of interested teams? He made it clear he wasn't going to make it easy for the team to move him within the parameters of his limited NTC. He literally nuked the trade market for himself.

It was only after he was threatened with waivers in December that he finally relented. And after all of that, Drury still worked with him to do right by him. f*** that guy. Seriously f*** him. This is the same guy who strong armed the Jets as an RFA.
Yeah. Trouba is a very bad person. I don't know why anyone feels bad for this guy. He f***ed the jets when he got moved the first time, he f***ed the rangers when he felt like it. Him and his agent collided to ensure nobody would trade for him.

I posted it earlier today. The lynchpin that stands to have destroyed this team was in fact a quoting Jacob Trouba, which was a Gorton move.
 
This team can't develop players, we have no idea how this team could have turned out. Lafreniere and Kakko were consensus picks, it's the organization that's the problem, Robertson is another prime example, guy was a horse in the WHL, this team has no idea what they are doing.
Yeah, I agree they didn't develop these guys for shit! Well, maybe not agree on Robertson, I dunno, he was given opportunities in the AHL and from all accounts he didn't play well enough to earn a callup.

I do think that Laf and Kakko also just weren't the talents we hoped they'd be that's some extremely bullshit Rangers luck, but they also might have been better than they are with better guidance and oppotunity/patience
 
Yeah. Trouba is a very bad person. I don't know why anyone feels bad for this guy. He f***ed the jets when he got moved the first time, he f***ed the rangers when he felt like it. Him and his agent collided to ensure nobody would trade for him.

I posted it earlier today. The lynchpin that stands to have destroyed this team was in fact a quoting Jacob Trouba, which was a Gorton move.
lol I mean in other situations I think it's fine that he wanted to do well by his wife. I don't have a problem with that but I guess I do have a problem with how it all went down in the end. I do have a problem with him outright stating he checked out on the team after Drury asked him to waive over the summer.
 
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Are you conveniently forgetting how he invoked his wife's career as a reason he couldn't leave last summer? And how he had his agent poison the well of interested teams? He made it clear he wasn't going to make it easy for the team to move him within the parameters of his limited NTC. He literally nuked the trade market for himself.

It was only after he was threatened with waivers in December that he finally relented. And after all of that, Drury still worked with him to do right by him. f*** that guy. Seriously f*** him. This is the same guy who strong armed the Jets as an RFA.
Without any evidence if I had to guess who was doing most of the crap talking my guess is Trouba. I say that as a person that defended him in the past. He just seems to have that mindset imo.
 
lol I mean in other situations I think it's fine that he wanted to do well by his wife. I don't have a problem with that but I guess I do have a problem with how it all went down in the end. I do have a problem with him outright stating he checked out on the team after Drury asked him to waive over the summer.
If it's the reason, then fine, but the guy publicly predicted his entire career on what his wife wanted. When questioned about his shit play he literally dragged his non profit and wife into the public sphere of opinion.

I'm sorry, but Jacob Trouba is a shithead of an individual.

This goes back to the real problem. Why did Gorton have such a HARD ON for this guy? Absolutely no idea, but it confirms that Drury is predominantly dealing with Gorton's bad signings
 
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Guess who doesn't have an Exit Day video? Panarin. This pretending to not know English excuse is getting old. THIS SCREAMS NO ACCOUNTABILITY. DRURY ALWAYS LETS STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
 
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