Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[majordomo]

I've felt this way for a while but I truly think the best thing for this team was for everyone to get away for 4+ months, go enjoy the summer and friends/family, and get away from all of this. Not advocating bringing back the same team as there needs to be changes but everything about this team and organization this year was just too toxic and everyone needs a mental reset to get their own shit in order as well as to get away from this mess. Enjoy the time off, train hard, get your head on straight, and come back to camp in the right mental mindset.

Amazing what a bit of winning can mask.....this crap has been bubbling under the surface for years and no one even attempted to address it.

 

[mrhockey193195]

Before people jump on the Schneider news and scream "HE PLAYED WITH AN INJURY FOR 2 YEARS?!?!?", some context about torn labrums might be helpful. Admittedly, I am not a doctor, but my wife and closest friends are all either EM docs or surgeons (ortho & neuro), and I myself have been dealing with a torn labrum and a neck injury for the past 12+ months and have learned a lot from my half-a-dozen different doctors:

• Most active people above a certain age (say, by the time you are 40), will have a tear in their labrum. Many don't feel any pain, just a loss of flexibility/range-of-motion. It happens with aging, but also can happen from injury.
• Labrum tears have a wide range of severity.
• Labrum tears never heal on their own (unlike muscle strains/tears).
• The vast majority of people with torn labrum will NOT have surgery, and surgery is not advisable. Recovery from surgery is incredibly long (how Schneider is saying 3 months is beyond me - everything I have been told is 12 months until you are back to baseline).
• Also, surgery is not a permanent fix. Two of my surgeons said that surgically repaired labrum tears WILL re-tear in the 2-5 year range. They only advise surgery if 1) you are in a lot of pain that it impacts quality of life, or 2) you are a professional baseball player.

 

[Graves97]

I think it's easy for us to sit here and ask why are these guys playing if they're injured. These guys A.) want to earn the money they're being paid, and B.) they're working for future earnings, and of course C.) they want to help the team win.

I'm not going to shit on them for playing.

they 100% deserve to be shit on if by them playing hurt is actively hurting the team. This falls on both players and management.

 

[Ruggs225]

This is an impossible level of incompetence. Does literally no one talk to anyone in the whole org?

I sont think so. I sont even think the players talk on the ice. Just everyone doing whatever they want.

They almost make the Jets look competent. Almost.

 

[cheech70]

 

[Ruggs225]

Train with your bestie in Washington. They have a clue there

 

[Boris Zubov]

These guys are really asking the hard hitting questions!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Anything notable from mr steal your phone other than saying that he doesn’t want to talk about the off the ice stuff?

 

[Mike in Houston]

 

[pld459666]

Mika, your job is to play hockey. That's it. You do not need to be "kept in the loop" on roster decisions.

Do your job.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Damn.

Is this all part of him quitting on the team?

 

[Ruggs225]

Mika, your job is to play hockey. That's it. You do not need to be "kept in the loop" on roster decisions.

Do your job.

bleh i wouls want to know what is going around too if i were hime

 

[Mike in Houston]

Anything notable from mr steal your phone other than saying that he doesn’t want to talk about the off the ice stuff?

Nope. He wasn't talking about it. Which he can't talk about it anyway.

 

[cheech70]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nope. He wasn't talking about it. Which he can't talk about it anyway.

I know he wasn’t going to talk about it.

Wanted to know if he had any other thoughts about what happened this year.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Is this all part of him quitting on the team?

No. Now he's selfish for playing. You can't win. People are just going to be miserable.

 

[Mike in Houston]

I know he wasn’t going to talk about it.

Wanted to know if he had any other thoughts about what happened this year.

I haven't seen anything.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

No. Now he's selfish for playing. You can't win. People are just going to be miserable.

It's amazing the dude had mf'ing vertigo and people are still dumping on him

 

[Ruggs225]

Out of all this mess my biggest takeaway is how does Dolan not see that Drury is destroying this franchise and needs to be replaced?

Or is he too busy watching the Knicks

 

[LokiDog]

WTF is with this team & sending guys out there when they should probably address their injuries.

Why isn’t this 21 year old Dman progressing??!!

 

[Mike in Houston]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Is this all part of him quitting on the team?

depends. Lets see a doctor's note, Chris

 

[mrhockey193195]

they 100% deserve to be shit on if by them playing hurt is actively hurting the team. This falls on both players and management.

Hockey culture. This is what happens when all of these players are told from a young age that REAL hockey players play through injuries.

Mika, your job is to play hockey. That's it. You do not need to be "kept in the loop" on roster decisions.

Do your job.

If you want a successful organization, yeah - management keeping players in the loop of the goals of the team, the direction they're heading in, etc. is very important. This team had no idea if Drury was going to blow up the roster and rebuild vs. use cap space from Trouba/Goodrow and take another crack at a deep run. Drury never talked to them, and possibly had no idea himself. It's human nature for the players to struggle with that.

 

[cheech70]

 

[Mike in Houston]

Ok. You can stay!