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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

duhmetreE said:
On Laffy, he’s shown he could carry the puck. That’s what was different last season. It’s not just him though, the whole team plodded and coasted all season. I’ve never seen a team this bad at it.

I don’t think Cuylle is bad defensively. I honestly can’t grade anyone on defense based on this season.

I don’t think you need blazing speed but you have to play fast and attack as a unit.
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He's shown that he'll try. He coughs it up like he had bad seafood. Same thing with Kakko and his puck control that we kept hearing about.

He just isn't that good.
 
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rangers1314 said:
I didn’t see him try much of anything this season. A consistent passenger.
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He doesn't try to really carry the puck anymore because he sucks at it.

I know he was good in 23-24, but if he could do it again, he would.

It's easy for us to say "just have good habits," but for good players it's repeatable.

This is what he is. It's been five seasons.
 
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Machinehead said:
He doesn't try to really carry the puck anymore because he sucks at it.

I know he was good in 23-24, but if he could do it again, he would.

It's easy for us to say "just have good habits," but for good players it's repeatable.

This is what he is. It's been five seasons.
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Right I see what you’re saying.

Along that same line, my biggest thing his is lack of physical involvement in games. Hes shown stretches in previous years where hes very willing and very able to get involved and be a factor, and he always played so much better when he was bought in physically. This year he was a ghost.
 
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Dfence033 said:
In what ways his Svech an actual improvement on Kreider (minus Kreider’s awful season this year)? Svech has scored 30 or more goals in a season exactly once (and it was exactly 30). He averages 26 goals and 62 points per 82.

Kreider has scored 30+ 3 times (36, 39, 52) and averages 30 goals and 54 points per 82 - including his awful season this year. Neither player is a stalwart defender, neither is overly physical.

For $6.5M cap hit vs $7.75M, I’m not seeing what makes it “lunacy.”
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Well for one Kreider is at the end of his career and Svech just turned 25 last month. For comparison, Kreider scored 17, 17 and 21 goals in his age 22-24 seasons (he only played 20 something games coming out of college in his age 21 season. Svech has netted 151 goals through his age 24 season and had the covid shortened seasons mixed in there. If you adjust out Svech to 82 games a season he averages 26 goals and 62pts.

The concern i have about Svech is his ability to stay healthy.
 
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Kreider too mtl for Anderson, who says no? It's not the deal I want but just trying to see what everyone thinks his value is
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Well for one Kreider is at the end of his career and Svech just turned 25 last month. For comparison, Kreider scored 17, 17 and 21 goals in his age 22-24 seasons (he only played 20 something games coming out of college in his age 21 season. Svech has netted 151 goals through his age 24 season and had the covid shortened seasons mixed in there. If you adjust out Svech to 82 games a season he averages 26 goals and 62pts.

The concern i have about Svech is his ability to stay healthy.
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Sure. But the response was to my original assessment of Rod’s coaching ability where I said “for the last several years” you could immediately argue the Rangers had:

An at least comparable 1C, perhaps 2 based on Trocheck/Miller.

At least one superior top winger (Panarin unquestionably over Svech), and argued that Kreider at least could make a case for a 2nd.

A 1D better than anyone on their roster (Fox).

A 1G better than anyone goalie they’ve potentially ever rostered as a franchise.

This was to explain Rod’s lack of playoff success. Their rosters are objectively worse at the top ends than even the Rangers.
 
Machinehead said:
He's shown that he'll try. He coughs it up like he had bad seafood. Same thing with Kakko and his puck control that we kept hearing about.

He just isn't that good.
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He limits himself when he stops moving his feet.

He opens up different angles when he’s actually moving his feet and has the vision to take advantage.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I don’t know… Svech seems like a better Kakko to me.

I want to see Laffy with a good modern NHL coach. We saw the glimpses last year. I think he’ll have a great year next season imo he really has to train this season though.. his shot has major room for improvement
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I dont remember the poster, but a few years ago someone here claimed they had a friend inside that said Laf was not a try-hard.

If coach required say, 30m of bike, Laf gave exactly 30m of bike. Same with weights and skates. Not less and for certain, not more.

That says alot IMO. In competitive sports, I personally, detest clock-punchers. Especially those who coast on tallent. See my by-line.

"Hard work beats talent, when talent doesnt work hard." Herb Brookes.

Give me the rink-rat that goes the extra mile. First guy in, last guy out. I dont care what his draft positions was. Whats his commitment level to himself, team mates, and team in that order.

Maybe Im wrong. I hope I am. Maybe he is just taking the lead from the entitled vets. Maybe hes a good solider to the Union instead of the Corp and Fans.

Maybe, someday he'll understand, whats good for the Fans, Corp, and Room will be whats good for is Legacy when he tie's them up one last time.
 
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Kevin Fiala has been a square peg in a round hole in LA. He finished the season with 60 points but he doesn’t play the style that team likes to play. He’s an excellent transporter of the puck, has ample speed and can score.

When LA inevitably gets beat in Round 1 by Edmonton again, I’m expecting Blake to attempt to make some changes. I also truly believe Gavrikov is hitting UFA.

Panarin for Fiala +

Fiala has 3 years left at $7.88m. His contract is that of a borderline top-line winger and his role in NY would be exactly that.

Fiala isn’t the perfect player but he does fill some holes on this roster and his contract length of 3 years fits well actually for when hopefully some of the younger wingers will be ready for larger roles and larger contracts.

Lafreniere for Peterka makes sense for both teams. Peterka doesn’t want to stay in Buffalo long term. Lafreniere is on a long term deal. The trade is 1 for 1.

Sign Gavrikov in UFA.

Cuylle-Miller-Peterka
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Parssinen

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Vaak

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NYR Viper said:
Kevin Fiala has been a square peg in a round hole in LA. He finished the season with 60 points but he doesn’t play the style that team likes to play. He’s an excellent transporter of the puck, has ample speed and can score.

When LA inevitably gets beat in Round 1 by Edmonton again, I’m expecting Blake to attempt to make some changes. I also truly believe Gavrikov is hitting UFA.

Panarin for Fiala +

Fiala has 3 years left at $7.88m. His contract is that of a borderline top-line winger and his role in NY would be exactly that.

Fiala isn’t the perfect player but he does fill some holes on this roster and his contract length of 3 years fits well actually for when hopefully some of the younger wingers will be ready for larger roles and larger contracts.

Lafreniere for Peterka makes sense for both teams. Peterka doesn’t want to stay in Buffalo long term. Lafreniere is on a long term deal. The trade is 1 for 1.

Sign Gavrikov in UFA.

Cuylle-Miller-Peterka
Fiala-Trochek-Perrault
Berard-Zibanejad-Othmann
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom
Brodzinski
Parssinen

Gavrikov-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Soucy-Schneider
Vaak

Shesty
Quick
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I don't know what Fiala not playing their style means. He's their leading scorer in the calendar year 2025 (46 games) and playing 19 minutes a game - more than Kopitar. He led the team in 5v5 TOI/game for the entire season. If the coach doesn't think he's a good fit then why does the coach play him so much?
 
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NYR Viper said:
Kevin Fiala has been a square peg in a round hole in LA. He finished the season with 60 points but he doesn’t play the style that team likes to play. He’s an excellent transporter of the puck, has ample speed and can score.

When LA inevitably gets beat in Round 1 by Edmonton again, I’m expecting Blake to attempt to make some changes. I also truly believe Gavrikov is hitting UFA.

Panarin for Fiala +

Fiala has 3 years left at $7.88m. His contract is that of a borderline top-line winger and his role in NY would be exactly that.

Fiala isn’t the perfect player but he does fill some holes on this roster and his contract length of 3 years fits well actually for when hopefully some of the younger wingers will be ready for larger roles and larger contracts.

Lafreniere for Peterka makes sense for both teams. Peterka doesn’t want to stay in Buffalo long term. Lafreniere is on a long term deal. The trade is 1 for 1.

Sign Gavrikov in UFA.

Cuylle-Miller-Peterka
Fiala-Trochek-Perrault
Berard-Zibanejad-Othmann
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom
Brodzinski
Parssinen

Gavrikov-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Soucy-Schneider
Vaak

Shesty
Quick
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Whats the ++ in that Kings trade though? He turns 29 this summer. Their prospect pool is rated towards the bottom of the league.

I agree that the Kings would be interested in Panarin but there would need to be a better primary piece coming back. That or Fiala, Greentree, 2025 1st and 2026 2nd that can become a 1st if the Kings get to the finals next season.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Kevin Fiala has been a square peg in a round hole in LA. He finished the season with 60 points but he doesn’t play the style that team likes to play. He’s an excellent transporter of the puck, has ample speed and can score.

When LA inevitably gets beat in Round 1 by Edmonton again, I’m expecting Blake to attempt to make some changes. I also truly believe Gavrikov is hitting UFA.

Panarin for Fiala +

Fiala has 3 years left at $7.88m. His contract is that of a borderline top-line winger and his role in NY would be exactly that.

Fiala isn’t the perfect player but he does fill some holes on this roster and his contract length of 3 years fits well actually for when hopefully some of the younger wingers will be ready for larger roles and larger contracts.

Lafreniere for Peterka makes sense for both teams. Peterka doesn’t want to stay in Buffalo long term. Lafreniere is on a long term deal. The trade is 1 for 1.

Sign Gavrikov in UFA.

Cuylle-Miller-Peterka
Fiala-Trochek-Perrault
Berard-Zibanejad-Othmann
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom
Brodzinski
Parssinen

Gavrikov-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Soucy-Schneider
Vaak

Shesty
Quick
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Love the idea but if you think that the broken down roster of the oilers is gonna beat the kings this year, I highly doubt it
 
Machinehead said:
It's always when and if. Good players do it all the time and don't have to be reminded.
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Maybe it’s copium but the team just wasn’t buying in at a real early point in the season. Drury should have been cut throat. Country club does not do hard things. Laffy unfortunately joined the country club this season.

But like you said, that’s a part of being good. Effort is sort of important
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
Whats the ++ in that Kings trade though? He turns 29 this summer. Their prospect pool is rated towards the bottom of the league.

I agree that the Kings would be interested in Panarin but there would need to be a better primary piece coming back. That or Fiala, Greentree, 2025 1st and 2026 2nd that can become a 1st if the Kings get to the finals next season.
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Holy crap , kings aren't going to trade Fiala , much less add on to get Panarin and add him after the recent accusation coming out. Even if it didn't, Kings aren't trading Fiala like no chance. Panarin doesn't have that much worth than Fiala
 
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Kocur Dill said:
I dont remember the poster, but a few years ago someone here claimed they had a friend inside that said Laf was not a try-hard.

If coach required say, 30m of bike, Laf gave exactly 30m of bike. Same with weights and skates. Not less and for certain, not more.

That says alot IMO. In competitive sports, I personally, detest clock-punchers. Especially those who coast on tallent. See my by-line.

"Hard work beats talent, when talent doesnt work hard." Herb Brookes.

Give me the rink-rat that goes the extra mile. First guy in, last guy out. I dont care what his draft positions was. Whats his commitment level to himself, team mates, and team in that order.

Maybe Im wrong. I hope I am. Maybe he is just taking the lead from the entitled vets. Maybe hes a good solider to the Union instead of the Corp and Fans.

Maybe, someday he'll understand, whats good for the Fans, Corp, and Room will be whats good for is Legacy when he tie's them up one last time.
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Hopefully that’s where some form of pride comes in. When he realizes talent isn’t enough in the NHL

He should be hanging with Cuylle and Schneider
 
Hockeyfan200 said:
Holy crap , kings aren't going to trade Fiala , much less add on to get Panarin and add him after the recent accusation coming out. Even if it didn't, Kings aren't trading Fiala like no chance. Panarin doesn't have that much worth than Fiala
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Agree to disagree. What came out about Panarin is going to have little impact on his value. Panarin adds another dynamic that the Kings do not have. This all also based on if the Kings get knocked out in the 1st round.
 
What happened to DeHaan saying he was going to give us the inside scoop of all the crap once the season ended?
 
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