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Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

Mike in Houston said:
To be fair Drury hasn't been in this situation. He probably was privy to the conversations with Henrik that led to the buy-out.

Now if you think Kreider is no better than Goodrow or Trouba and deserves the same as them then ok. That's your opinion.

I think that if Drury treats Kreider the same as the both Goodrow and Trouba, then he'll be in deep poop with the locker room.
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Most of the locker room is salivating to take CK’s job, and the older guys are close to being in the same boat.
 
Mike in Houston said:
That's fine. And they should. I still think you treat Kreider like they did Lundqvist if you're parting ways.
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It would be nice, but Drury and Dolan are in charge. Anyone with decency has been expunged. Looking at how Trouba and Goodrow were shown the door, I don’t expect CK will get an overly respectful exit, and really, not many do.
 
GAGLine said:
I wouldn't frame it that way. My view is that we should be more forward thinking. JTM is a short-term move. Trading Panarin for younger NHL players, picks and prospects would be a long-term move.

The end result might be that we get worse in the short-term, but that's not always a given. You never know how things might shake out. Look at the Gaborik trade. We became a better team by trading away our "star" and adding depth. We then traded the best player we got back in that deal, Brassard, and got back a player who turned out to be even better in Mika.

We've come to the point where Kreider's value has greatly diminished. Imagine if we had traded him over the summer, what we might have gotten for him vs what we will get now. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but we have to be willing to take chances like that, especially when we have traded away so many picks and prospects. If we aren't going to keep replenishing the team through the draft, we have to swap out older players for younger players if we want to remain competitive. And by that, I don't mean just waiting until the player hits rock bottom and then dumping him for whatever we can get. We need to trade value for value to get younger. The JTM trade did not do that.
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It wasn't only hindsight. Drury's priorities were set around Trouba, Goodrow, Lindgren and Kakko. Gaborik trade was a good example for sure. Nash trade too...
 
To me, the approach on what to do with Panarin for next season is going to depend on whether or not they end up keeping this year's draft pick.
 
Shesterkybomb said:
Why are you talking about trading, we can't repurpose anything right now, the deadline is past. I'm talking about now, trying to get the best of the team we have. Having an ahl player and a real good 4th liner playing higher in the lineup is dumb.
You said on what basis are we going nowhere with Carrick or brodz on line 3...the basis that we haven't had a functional 3rd line since Chytil left and we cant compete with playoff teams. 3rd line used to be a strength, now it's just a repurposed 4th line.
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Right now is IRRELEVANT
the team we have now is irrelevant
we make the POs or NO, if the only measure of success is cup or bust, barring insane rash of injuries to opposition, we lose. we don't have the horses stop denying that, admit it, then try to change that.

also, disagree
Brodz >>> ahler and Carrick >>> only a really good 4th liner

pay attention to bold in post below
GAGLine said:
I wouldn't frame it that way. My view is that we should be more forward thinking. JTM is a short-term move. Trading Panarin for younger NHL players, picks and prospects would be a long-term move.

The end result might be that we get worse in the short-term, but that's not always a given. You never know how things might shake out. Look at the Gaborik trade. We became a better team by trading away our "star" and adding depth. We then traded the best player we got back in that deal, Brassard, and got back a player who turned out to be even better in Mika.

We've come to the point where Kreider's value has greatly diminished. Imagine if we had traded him over the summer, what we might have gotten for him vs what we will get now. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but we have to be willing to take chances like that, especially when we have traded away so many picks and prospects. If we aren't going to keep replenishing the team through the draft, we have to swap out older players for younger players if we want to remain competitive. And by that, I don't mean just waiting until the player hits rock bottom and then dumping him for whatever we can get. We need to trade value for value to get younger. The JTM trade did not do that.
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quoted for truth
 
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Kreider gave up the puck twice in the first 6 minutes last night. Two bad turnovers. Kreider tried to pass the puck to KAM in the Rangers zone but Draisaitl is in the passing lane. He is right there. McDavid had a scoring chance. On the PK, Kreider tries to pass the puck to Zibanejad to make a play and Draisaitl is there again.

Kreider is miraculously able to play after the trading deadline. He would skate with the team in the morning skate but wouldn’t play in the games prior to March 7. After the deadline, Chris is able to play.
 
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tiggles said:
Because if they get rid of Panarin without bringing in a big producer to replace him, I can see them sinking pretty far down the regular season standings. If they end up having to give that pick to Pittsburgh, it would be a pretty tough pill to swallow.
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Ah, you meant the other way around - what they do with Panarin should determine what they do with the pick...
 
bernmeister said:
Right now is IRRELEVANT
the team we have now is irrelevant
we make the POs or NO, if the only measure of success is cup or bust, barring insane rash of injuries to opposition, we lose. we don't have the horses stop denying that, admit it, then try to change that.
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If you believe the only measure of success is cup or bust, you're going to be a miserable fan almost all of your life.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Kreider gave up the puck twice in the first 6 minutes last night. Two bad turnovers. Kreider tried to pass the puck to KAM in the Rangers zone but Draisaitl is in the passing lane. He is right there. McDavid had a scoring chance. On the PK, Kreider tries to pass the puck to Zibanejad to make a play and Draisaitl is there again.

Kreider is miraculously able to play after the trading deadline. He would skate with the team in the morning skate but wouldn’t play in the games prior to March 7. After the deadline, Chris is able to play.
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for shame RB, for shame

you imply he can miraculously go full tilt
obv he is making an effort
whether or not he should be doing that at all is another ?,
but he shouldn't be derided given he is obv being asked and is obv attempting to comply

I expect better from you, who I have termed "our most esteemed poster".
It is bad enuf I have to deal w/some who insist water is not wet
don't force me to make time for you too
 
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
If you believe the only measure of success is cup or bust, you're going to be a miserable fan almost all of your life.
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I agree with this. I just wanna feel like they have a real chance and that losing isn't inevitable.

It's been a decade since I felt like this team was really serious as a Cup contender.
 
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GAGLine said:
We have to stop paying top dollar for UFAs as though they will save our team. Outside of Messier, when has that ever worked? That was a different time. There was no salary cap, and Marner is no Messier.

It didn't work with Panarin. Why would it work with Marner? His teams have had zero success in the playoffs. He isn't a guy that is going to put the team on his back in the playoffs and lead them to a cup.
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I have no problem giving big UFA dollars to McDavid, Eichel, Necas or Kaprizov.
 
I kind of want to miss the playoffs at this point so Lavi and Housley are gone

Should also promote more core changes.

By some miracle hit the lottery and ruin another top pick
 
Kreider feels 100% gone

1 of Panarin or Zibs feels more likely than not to be gone

Schneider feels like the writing is on the wall for him to be in a trade to bring back a young top 6 skill scoring player
 
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