Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

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Players respect hard but fair coaches. With that said 100% no Torts. His teams records have been pretty bad for a while.
Personally, I always thought Torts' greatest asset was his flexibility - not his being a hardass. He was (at least with the Rangers) willing to adjust his system to work with the players he had at his disposal instead of trying to shove square pegs into round holes in order to implement his system (A.V. says "hi"). More than a hardass, I think this team needs someone like that.
 
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Drury has been with this teams development a lot longer than he's been GM of this team, he was GM in Hartford before that where we saw the issues with Kravtsov and Andersson start. He's been part of Gorton's team, his number 2, so spare me the he only got here 4 years ago, his fingers are all over this rebuild with regards to the kids. If you want to look at the only constant from time time we drafted Kakko and Lafreniere it's Drury.
Moving the goal posts are we?
 
Why did Drury let him walk?
He was real good for half a season, then quickly ran out of gas, like totally.
The guy we effed up on keeping was Mikkola


It’s been 12 years since Tortorella. It was 14 years between Tortorella and Keenan. They may be due for another hard ass.

Players respect hard but fair coaches. With that said 100% no Torts. His teams records have been pretty bad for a while.
I can be open to someone who has pronounced disciplinarian as part of his approach, but I need more in coach.
Needs to connect the dots, show effective strategy.
Not only clamp down on subpar effort like zib
but will also know how to communicate w/implement/get best of others.


Personally, I always thought Torts' greatest asset was his flexibility - not his being a hardass. He was (at least with the Rangers) willing to adjust his system to work with the players he had at his disposal instead of trying to shove square pegs into round holes in order to implement his system (A.V. says "hi"). More than a hardass, I think this team needs someone like that.
1,111% NO on torts II

The 6 goaltender strategy = huge epic fail, including b'c leading to advanced physical breakdowns -> player decline -> performances downturned
 
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I know we have a bad defense but i refuse to believe we are that bad. I think our D would be better in a zone system and i'm not sure why Housley is still here? We moved out bad defensemen and the defense still sucks. Maybe it's the system at this point? Those guys who got moved out still suck but the same problems still exist with the new guys. We can't have an amazing player at every position but our defense shouldn't be this bad either. We need a LD for Fox regardless but the rest of the defense should be able to hold its own.

Before we trade any of our young dmen, i would like to see a new defensive coach try something different. Say what you want about Schneider and Miller, they are still fairly young and you still need to replace them if you do trade them. We invested this much time into them, may as well try to fix them. Put Fox with Miller for the rest of his career and then worry about Schneider.

With the way the D is structured right now the best way to go forward would be to go with a Trotz style system. Trotz's Islander teams were so grossly untalented but they made it work.

They also committed so much obstruction that refs just stopped calling it. Scott Mayfield was able to exist in that system and he's f***ing awful.

I think the issue with playing that way is you really need buy in. Forwards don't typically enjoy playing that way as they want to be able to bag their goals/points.

There was only one Trotz though and he's not even coaching anymore. Alternatively going with someone who doesn't have any NHL experience but has experience winning at a lower level who understands how hockey works today would also work. They'd probably get some pull with the FO and can actually convince the GM to restructure the D to be at least adequately modern.
 
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With the way the D is structured right now the best way to go forward would be to go with a Trotz style system. Trotz's Islander teams were so grossly untalented but they made it work.

They also committed so much obstruction that refs just stopped calling it. Scott Mayfield was able to exist in that system and he's f***ing awful.

I think the issue with playing that way is you really need buy in. Forwards don't typically enjoy playing that way as they want to be able to bag their goals/points.

There was only one Trotz though and he's not even coaching anymore. Alternatively going with someone who doesn't have any NHL experience but has experience winning at a lower level who understands how hockey works today would also work. They'd probably get some pull with the FO and can actually convince the GM to restructure the D to be at least adequately modern.

A simple upgrade would be zone defense and making the forwards break out together. Unfortunately the dmen we "targetted" outside of Borgen are 6/7 dmen and most of them are here for more than this year.
 
I sure hope we don't F'up the first round pick situation . I think we go for the 2026 pick and let Pens have this year pick. A crack at McKenna is worthy of it .

Rangers could easily suck next year as well....remove Panarin-Kreider and if Fox and Miller or Igor go down....that spells trouble . Don't expect our kids and vets to pick up the slack . Mika-Trocheck might score each as would hopefully Cuylle-Laf . I don't expect GP to get any higher than 15 in his Rookie stint in NY .

Next season could l be a long way from a parade ....or playoff spot . Myself....I jettison as much trash as we have now and go for McKenna . What's the point of finishing 18th ? One year.....DO IT !!! Get McKenna and sign McDavid .
 

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Rangers mailbag: A damning playoff stat, the defense blame game, the youth can wait

This marks the 42nd season since the Rockies abandoned Denver in 1982-83 to relocate to the Meadowlands as the New Jersey Devils under John McMullen’s ownership. Yes, there’s one missing if you do the math and that was the 2004-05 canceled season.

Since that time, the tri-state area has never been shut out of the playoffs, the Devils at this point holding the best opportunity to extend the streak. If the season were to end today, as the vernacular goes, this would mark the sixth time New Jersey carried the area’s only flag into the tournament.

The Rangers have also been the lone postseason combatant six times while the Islanders have been proud and center just twice…and one of those times in 2021 when attendance was restricted because of COVID.

There’s been a three-way house party four times — you’d think more, right — in 2023, 2007, 1994 and 1990.

This tri-state trivia is brought you by the mailbag, which many readers were happy to fill with questions via our Texts from the Blue Seats campaign.

So let’s dive into a few post-deadline questions...

It seems like any new addition to this team has taken games to mesh. The J.T. Miller trade had a no-show in Boston before the subsequent win, then the most recent trades had a collapse in Ottawa followed by a no-show vs Columbus. Why is it that this team needs so much time to attempt to gel? — Andrew from Sayreville NJ and Eddie Iacobelli, Jr.
I’m not sure that necessarily applies. The afternoon game in Boston was a bit of cluster-bramble with J.T. Miller having arrived in the early morning on a charter flight from Dallas. That was just hours before head coach Peter Laviolette devised the two-center theory by pairing Miller on a line with Mika Zibanejad.
But the Rangers had integrated Juuso Parssinen and Calvin de Haan just fine before the lost weekend over which Carson Soucy was the only new addition. Don’t think unfamiliarity with teammates or with the system were a particular problem against Ottawa and Columbus.

At what point does this coaching staff take some blame for the defensive state of this team? Add to the fact they started playing prevent D with nine minutes left in a critical game against the Sens, makes you wonder if they have any clue on how to deploy a lineup or manage a game. — Robert Verderese
It’s past time. Laviolette attempted to, pardon the expression, defend his team’s approach over the final 10 minutes in Ottawa by suggesting that the team had not, in fact, sat back in an effort to protect what had become a one-goal lead. That had been a theme after the Caps overcame a 2-1 third period deficit at the Garden on Wednesday to win in overtime. Fact is, the Rangers are 1-6 in overtime (plus 1-0 in shootouts) while allowing the tying goal in the third period in five of those six OT defeats.

To my untrained eye, other teams seem to do a better job than the Rangers of defending by physically picking up men. The Rangers seem to be in the area of players, but watch the play/puck and rely more on getting sticks into passing lanes. 1. Is that true, and 2. If yes, is that how they are coached to play? — Gerald Yacavone
This would be an excellent question for Phil Housley, the Hall of Fame defenseman who runs the team’s defense as Laviolette’s associate coach. (Staff members are not accessible to the media.)

The Rangers have been slow on their reads essentially all season and have left wide swaths of good ice open in front of the net. Turnovers generally lead to chaos when the team generally compounds one mistake with the puck with another two in poor coverage decisions.

Why is Laviolette so stubborn about giving the young guys proper opportunities to play? Specifically keeping Brennan Othmann and Brett Berard on the 3rd and 4th lines with limited opportunities. — Gabe Lampert
This is not unique to Laviolette, but I don’t believe I’d cite using Berard as a top-six forward as an example of bias. Loyalty is this head coach’s bedrock principle, but I believe he has shown too much loyalty to veterans such as Zibanejad — even going back to last year’s conference final when Alexis Lafrenière should have replaced No. 93 on PP1 — and to Jacob Trouba and Ryan Lindgren early this season. Laviolette is not a benching coach. It is the hill he is going to perish on.

What has happened to Lafrenière? — Dennis Petruzzelli
There have been a number of disappointing developments throughout the season, but Lafrenière’s disappearing act has finally made it to the top of the least, I mean list. Lafrenière is surely the only forward selected first-overall in the draft not to be given a legitimate shot to play on the first power play for the first five seasons of his career, but that does not explain how the winger’s impact has shrunk month by month and game by game. No goals, five assists and nine shots over the last 12 contests. Last season, there was a breakout. Next season, if Lafrenière is in New York, there will need to be a reclamation.
 
I sure hope we don't F'up the first round pick situation . I think we go for the 2026 pick and let Pens have this year pick. A crack at McKenna is worthy of it .
I'm hoping we keep the 2026 pick. But we both know we'll be giving up the 14th overall pick in 2025, and then win the division next season because that's just the shit they would do.
 
Personally, I always thought Torts' greatest asset was his flexibility - not his being a hardass. He was (at least with the Rangers) willing to adjust his system to work with the players he had at his disposal instead of trying to shove square pegs into round holes in order to implement his system (A.V. says "hi"). More than a hardass, I think this team needs someone like that.
Flyers fans would luv us to take Torts off their hands. I will 100% pass.

AV took the team to the 2014 Cup Finals the very first year after Torts was fired. AV was not perfect but that was our last Cup Finals.
 
Flyers fans would luv us to take Torts off their hands. I will 100% pass.
I guess I didn't communicate what I was saying effectively - my bad. I don't want Torts again, but I would like someone who isn't so rigid with his systems and is willing to alter them to fit the personnel he has to work with. Part of this team's problem is that they are incapable of playing man defense - the difference between 5V5 man and Pk zone is night and day and yet, the coaching staff refuses to change up from man defense - that was my only point.
 
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I guess I didn't communicate what I was saying effectively - my bad. I don't want Torts again, but I would like someone who isn't so rigid with his systems and is willing to alter them to fit the personnel he has to work with. Part of this team's problem is that they are incapable of playing man defense - the difference between 5V5 man and Pk zone is night and day and yet, the coaching staff refuses to change up from man defense - that was my only point.
I agree with you. I see too many guys chasing other guys on both sides of our own end and behind the net (where they can not score). Drives me nuts when I see 2 dmen chase behind our net and leave guys wide open in front of Shesty. Either our system is too complicated for our guys and/or they are too slow for it. I think they would do much better with a simplified zone. Stay on your sides of the ice. Center covers the 3rd man down low.
 
He was real good for half a season, then quickly ran out of gas, like totally.
The guy we effed up on keeping was Mikkola





I can be open to someone who has pronounced disciplinarian as part of his approach, but I need more in coach.
Needs to connect the dots, show effective strategy.
Not only clamp down on subpar effort like zib
but will also know how to communicate w/implement/get best of others.



1,111% NO on torts II

The 6 goaltender strategy = huge epic fail, including b'c leading to advanced physical breakdowns -> player decline -> performances downturned
I agree not signing Mikkola was a big mistake. I know money was tight, but it’s always tight.
 
Mikkola wouldn't have changed anything.

This has nothing to do with him as a player (he's okay, pretty good even) but everything to do with what kind of player he is.

He's in the mold of all these guys that they keep adding. You can't win a cup with a D filled with giant oafs who can't move the puck. They keep on trying to smash the repeat button on that and you wonder why this team keeps on getting hemmed in against better teams.
 
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Mikkola wouldn't have changed anything.

This has nothing to do with him as a player (he's okay, pretty good even) but everything to do with what kind of player he is.

He's in the mold of all these guys that they keep adding. You can't win a cup with a D filled with giant oafs who can't move the puck. They keep on trying to smash the repeat button on that and you wonder why this team keeps on getting hemmed in against better teams.

Flyers fans would luv us to take Torts off their hands. I will 100% pass.

AV took the team to the 2014 Cup Finals the very first year after Torts was fired. AV was not perfect but that was our last Cup Finals.
yes because they blame Torts for having the least talented squad in the entire league AINEC .

I don’t want Torts back, he’s on the Laviolette path where he’s too old to have the same impact/fire anymore.

But I do love Torts and would like a brash younger Torts regen type
 
yes because they blame Torts for having the least talented squad in the entire league AINEC .

I don’t want Torts back, he’s on the Laviolette path where he’s too old to have the same impact/fire anymore.

But I do love Torts and would like a brash younger Torts regen type
It is a interesting coincidence how wherever Torts has gone in recent years the talent level declines despite drafting high.
 
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I could maybe buy that with Lafreniere considering his best season was his most recent one.

Igor was such a massive red flag that Reagan put sanctions on him.

Igor’s prior extension should have been 7-8M x 8 years. Go back to the signing thread and you’ll see me furious about that 4 year extension. Pure stupidity.
 
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Torts has damn near an AHL roster sitting at 5th in xGF%. He knows what he's doing.

The problem with Torts is that he always has a lot of pull and he often facilitates an untalented roster.

To win with Torts, you need to win with the guy after Torts. But as somebody to build and set the tone, I think he's still effective.
 
I sure hope we don't F'up the first round pick situation . I think we go for the 2026 pick and let Pens have this year pick. A crack at McKenna is worthy of it .

Rangers could easily suck next year as well....remove Panarin-Kreider and if Fox and Miller or Igor go down....that spells trouble . Don't expect our kids and vets to pick up the slack . Mika-Trocheck might score each as would hopefully Cuylle-Laf . I don't expect GP to get any higher than 15 in his Rookie stint in NY .

Next season could l be a long way from a parade ....or playoff spot . Myself....I jettison as much trash as we have now and go for McKenna . What's the point of finishing 18th ? One year.....DO IT !!! Get McKenna and sign McDavid .
We are going to keep the pick this year because Drury is going to want to make the pick. He isn't going to leave a 2026 pick for the next guy. Everyone always keeps the dumb pick and then they worry about the problems cause by it later or leave it to the next guy

Torts has damn near an AHL roster sitting at 5th in xGF%. He knows what he's doing.

The problem with Torts is that he always has a lot of pull and he often facilitates an untalented roster.

To win with Torts, you need to win with the guy after Torts. But as somebody to build and set the tone, I think he's still effective.
I saw the Flyers live in February. They are very clearly a terrible team that is coached very well.

Mikkola wouldn't have changed anything.

This has nothing to do with him as a player (he's okay, pretty good even) but everything to do with what kind of player he is.

He's in the mold of all these guys that they keep adding. You can't win a cup with a D filled with giant oafs who can't move the puck. They keep on trying to smash the repeat button on that and you wonder why this team keeps on getting hemmed in against better teams.
I mean if we kept Mikkola, we wouldn't have had to trade Kakko for Borgen. Keeping Mikkola would have meant not having to keep sacrificing assets for worse, most costly versions of Mikkola
 
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Igor’s prior extension should have been 7-8M x 8 years. Go back to the signing thread and you’ll see me furious about that 4 year extension. Pure stupidity.
Money was tight that year. We could have chosen not to sign Nemeth @ 2.5 mil, but part of that money would have gone to a replacement dman. Would an extra 1.5 or so mil have gotten us 8 years? I'm not so sure.

I remember being disappointed that he didn't sign for at least 5 years, but who knows what it would have taken to get Shesty to sign for 7 or 8 years. I wouldn't assume that Shesty would have taken the deal at those numbers, nor would I assume the Rangers didn't offer him longer term options earlier in the process.
 
We are going to keep the pick this year because Drury is going to want to make the pick. He isn't going to leave a 2026 pick for the next guy. Everyone always keeps the dumb pick and then they worry about the problems cause by it later or leave it to the next guy


I saw the Flyers live in February. They are very clearly a terrible team that is coached very well.


I mean if we kept Mikkola, we wouldn't have had to trade Kakko for Borgen

They didn’t have to trade kakko for Borgen even though they didn’t have him.

But this sort of proves what I’m saying. They keep targeting D who aren’t the right type of D. Borgen again, totally fine and moves the puck better than Mikkola does but I wouldn’t categorize it as a plus attribute.

He’s also being asked to do more than he should but that’s a function of never getting Fox a good partner+ both our current and previous coach putting too much value on size and muscle.
 
They didn’t have to trade kakko for Borgen even though they didn’t have him.

But this sort of proves what I’m saying. They keep targeting D who aren’t the right type of D. Borgen again, totally fine and moves the puck better than Mikkola does but I wouldn’t categorize it as a plus attribute.

He’s also being asked to do more than he should but that’s a function of never getting Fox a good partner+ both our current and previous coach putting too much value on size and muscle.
Right - and this is kind of my problem with the strategy. We moved the deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't know that we are any better. We might be more cap efficient, but better is different. Fox is (still) their only no doubt top pair caliber Dman. If they do not think Miller is, by locking in Soucy/Borgen/Vaak/Schneider, they have to trade Miller as opposed to giving him a contract. I cannot believe that they traded for Soucy to be Fox partner. Also they extended Borgen based on his play with Miller, so the math isn't really mathing.

The real issue with the D core that no one is really talking about is we basically gave it a face lift to fit Laviolette/Drury and we've ignored the puck movement aspect of this. So like, even if we replace Laviolette; is the next coach going to want another face lift here? The NFL analogy for this is if we bought defenders for a 43 defense, and then hired a coach who wants to run 34. I think this team is going to be in a black hole unless they proceed very carefully
 
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I mean if we kept Mikkola, we wouldn't have had to trade Kakko for Borgen. Keeping Mikkola would have meant not having to keep sacrificing assets for worse, most costly versions of Mikkola
we def should have taken opportunity to snatch Borgen, who was being made available, and imo even if Mikkola was here, it means someone else would not. But and that said, I have pressed we should not have given KK for Borg and instead paid, if nec even a slightly higher level, but in other currency. It is not clear whether this was/was not possible.

No ? no KK = no more 5x5 proficient kid line
 

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