Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)
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What are we doing a “come on” about this time? If you’re alluding to Fox, I’m not excluding him - I’m talking about our forward group, and kind of feel like I’m making that pretty clear by only talking about forwards. If you’re alluding to Fox, I have genuinely no idea why - I haven’t mentioned him in any capacity so I have no idea how you would perceive it as me slighting him. If that’s not what you’re saying “dude come on” about, than I’m even more genuinely bewildered.
We need another player of that ilk. It doesn’t have to be at the superstar level. Like I said, a guy like younger Teravainen is a great example. Never a star but had really great hands, vision and passing ability. Had some very strong productive seasons without being a Panarin level player who totally breaks the bank. We could use one more forward of that type. What’s weird about my statement this time?
noncents
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I'm not saying he's a guaranteed superstar, but Gabe Perreault is exactly what you are describing.
He hasn’t played a single NHL game so I’m not banking on him stepping in as a rookie and filling that void. I also addressed him in my next post, responding to @Boris Zubov. Even if Perrault does hit as that player, Panarin is either gone this summer or next so we would still need an additional player in the mould. Just like Panarin alone is not enough, Perreault - who is very unlikely to become a 120 point winger any time quick, if ever - will not be enough on his own, even if he does hit his potential.
That’s really a “dude come on” for you? I feel like it was a pretty non-controversial post.
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noncents
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you're mistaking the tone of dude come on. you're a clued in rangers fan, so its odd to describe needing gabe perreault and not mention gabe perreault. also o didn't see the response to zubov.
i do agree that adding an impact wing along with Gabe is necessary. i just think it's less of a priority than adding a top4 LD.
i like ehlers, more than boeser. kempe is the dream.
the question is: if you assume they move panarin and kreider in the next 2 years, you have cuylle laf zib and perreault as wings.
actually, I think 2C is more important than impact wing. Troch is a 3rd liner on a cup team.
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Schneider is just so bad but would bring back a Mcdavid haul from some horny GM cause he’s young handsome and stay at home and has just existed on a team that’s won games
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It still amazes me how the "stay at home label" gets tossed around based on vibes and nothing else.
Schneider has never been anything but straight up bad defensively in the NHL.
He moves the puck decently enough but I don't think he scores enough points to really justify that as his lone strength.
He's kinda fine, I guess, and he's not a must-toss like Lindgren was, but I'd absolutely be open to it.
My preference is to have Cuylle, Zib, Perreault and someone other than Laf as the top six wingers. Otthman and Berard on the third line (with Trochek? Fine with me) and Edstrom and Rempe on the fourth line. Laf can be moved to try and bring back a top 4 quality LD or a 2C. I’m fine with that. I definitely like Ehlers over Brock. Kempe is the dream but also a pipe dream. His contract is stellar - he has to be as close to a non McDavid/Makar tier untouchable as there is. I can’t imagine a team in the league that wouldn’t be interested in Kempe.
I know plenty of people aren’t sold on Byram, but I personally like his mobility and zone exits as a partner for Fox, paired with him being only 23 and a 4OA who has plenty of room to continue maturing his game. So just for the sake or argument let’s say we swapped 23yo RH Schneider for 23yo LH Byram (we need LD, Buff needs RD but this is hypothetical anyway…):
Cuylle - Eichel - Perreault
Ehlers - Miller - Zibanejad
Otthman - Trochek - Berard
Edstrom - Parsinen - Rempe
Byram - Fox
Miller - Borgen
Bottom pair D are fluid enough to not worry about exactly who it’s going to be 2 years from now. I’m looking to move Laf + and address that center spot you’re talking about. In this hypothetical or some similar version of events. Ehlers is UFA, which is why I don’t have assets going out for him. I would be okay with a lineup similar to this in 26-27. Who Laf could be moved for is the question. If Eichel says he’s not re-signing in Vegas next year at then that’s my target. Laf ++. JTM drops to 2C and we’re looking solid.
I want to move Laf. I don’t think he fits what we’re trying to build and I think we should sell before his value starts really taking a hit.
Machinehead
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Given your general vision for the team, I'm a bit surprised by Ehlers.
14 points in 37 playoff games and the soft label has been tossed around.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
Now that we've finally jettisoned Tuba & Lindgren for good, I'd really like to see these guys in a new system with some competent coaching before I'm willing to make a final decision on them.
Every single d-man we have, including Fox & Miller, has take a major step back with this coaching staff. Schneider also hasn't had a solid partner since he's been up, except for the brief stint he had with K'Andre last season. Look what a new partner did for Miller when Borgen showed up.
At only 23, I still have hope that the light goes on for Schneider as well, which is why we need to prioritize LD either now or in the summer. This team isn't going far in the playoffs either this year or next with DeHaan & Vaak as our LD starters.
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It does not have to be right now either, and I don't think he should stop them from upgrading another part of the lineup.
Imagine it is Schneider that helps fix the left side by being traded for a LHD. Again, all of this could be tabled for the summer, but I think we should switch our mindset of what Schneider is and could be.
I’m interested to see what he does this year with Winnipeg being good, but I’m pretty much acknowledging we’ll need a soft playmaker to compliment the group. Ehlers has insane hands and speed. And he’s UFA so he doesn’t cost assets to acquire. But for the purposes of the hypothetical he can be considered a placeholder for any similar player. I’ve mentioned a version of young Teravainen who would also be considered soft. We need some speedy playmaking to compliment an otherwise meat and potatoes forward group (Cuylle, Otthman, Berard, Edstrom, Rempe, Miller, Trochek - lots of beef).
Machinehead
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I think that's fair.
Like I said, I'd be open to it, but I don't desperately need to get rid of him.
Machinehead
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In a different framework, maybe Ehlers could work.
I've mentioned this before -- I look at that Jets roster and man, them being a the top of the standings has roulette wheel written all over it.
I'd be salivating as a wildcard team in the West.
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this forward corps but with laf instead of othmann. if you're filling 1c and 2LW with UFA, trading Schneider for Byram, and ostensibly trading kreider and panarin for futures, there's room for laf.
I just don’t want him on the team. It’s splitting hairs since we’re generally agreeing on a roster framework and it’s just a difference of opinion over a player. I think he’s too complacent and he’s going to continue the type of culture/attitude/whatever that we’re trying to be rid of, where Otthman seems to have much more of an edge and hunger, but again… splitting hairs. If I got that roster but with Laf over Otthman I’d still be happy. I just have no faith in Alexis anymore. I think it’s between the ears mostly, and he just isn’t going to do the things he needs to do to be worth keeping at his new contract. Maybe the shock of getting traded and going somewhere with less spotlight for him to enjoy wakes him up and makes him become a professional. Right now, he strikes me as a lazy and moderately arrogant kid. Again, this is splitting hairs and not a reason to argue. He just rubs me the wrong way and I don’t believe in him going forward.
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Tbh, we all have to watch this shit and when you say "I just don't like the guy," it's a valid enough reason.
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when we're not liking guys after 6 nhl games, we're essentially just deciding based on their faces and their names. good lookin kid, fabio.
it's not even close to a valid enough reason. it's the same as not liking fox because he's jewish or looks at the sky. There are opportunities to disagree, and then there's deciding not to like someone and filtering all information through that lens.
@LokiDog i'm not saying you're doing that btw. i get the frustration with laf. I just think this whole season has been shit, the coaching staff is mostly shit, and i likedvwhat he did in the playoffs last year. If we can get that guy again, i want him on this team.
Well I mean, like I said, when we get down to disagreeing about one name on a list of 18, it’s just a matter of preference anyway. I don’t need other people to have the EXACT same vision of what I’d like to see in order for us to have a generally mutual agreement. I personally am just fed up with and over Lafreniere. I don’t think it’s gonna work out for him in NY. I think that for him to mature and become a true professional he’ll probably need a move or wake up call. That’s just my opinion. I’m not going to act like I’m a prophet and that’s the only possible outcome. It’s just where I am with him in my fandom, and so my preference is a future roster that he isn’t a part of.
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I like Lafreniere. If the trade made sense, the Rangers should move him just like the majority of the players on their roster. Lafreniere had a strong first period. He had two big hits. Assisted on Panarin's goal. His line mates have not been very good this season. Trocheck and Panarin haven't been very good. Four more years of Trocheck. The Rangers are stuck with him with JT on the team. Will Trocheck play in the top 6 or is the third line in his future? Trocheck's contract sees his trade protection dwindle every year. The Rangers need to decide on Panarin's future too. They were the Rangers best forwards last night based on the fancy stats.
The guy to move is Fox. I think Jones is a heck of a player. Call me crazy. I have been called worse. I like the way Jones plays. The Rangers acquire a lefty in the Fox trade to play with Schneider. Miller with Borgen. Jones plays on the 3rd pair with Urho(or maybe the Rangers acquire an upgrade) and plays on PP1. He made a beautiful pass to Panarin on the first goal. Jones nearly won the game in OT. The Rangers can't play both Fox and Jones in the same lineup. The Rangers won't get much for Jones. The Rangers should get a really good return for Fox. Sign Jones to a nice team friendly contract this summer and play him. He has arbitration rights but he has barely played. He doesn’t have a strong arbitration case but the Rangers should sign him to a contract. With Fox in the lineup, Jones was a healthy scratch for 18 straight games. Fox gets hurt. Jones plays and he is the Rangers best D according to the fancy stats. Will there be much a drop off from Fox to Jones in terms of offensive production with more playing time? Don't say NO. Jones is better defensively. I think he competes a little bit harder too. A better skater.
Fox got his opportunity after Tony was thrown off of the team. I wonder how things would have turned if Tony didn't punch the backup goalie after a game. Would Fox have won the Norris in a 58 game season? No. Tony would have probably stayed on PP1 with Mika, Chris, Panarin and Strome. Maybe Fox would have received more PP1 with Tony on the team but it wouldn't have been the same situation with Tony off of the team.
I like Owen Power or Kaiden Guhle for that spot on the left side. Dylan Cozens slides into 2nd line center behind Miller. The Sabres want to make a hockey trade. If not Buffalo, Gorton would probably love to acquire Fox. The Rangers will need another top center where Cozens makes sense for the Rangers. Trocheck is getting older. I don't think Mika has a long-term future in NY. The Rangers tried to trade him to Vancouver. All of these teams need a center. Trade deadline rumors. This team wants a center. That team wants a center. Cap is going up. Eventually, Zibanejad will be moved. It's the matter of finding the right fit.
Kreider. He needs to go. Why wait until the summer? Will his play raise or hurt his value? Maybe some teams will have more cap space in the summer with the cap increase. 15 team no trade list. That list isn't changing much and it appears the relationship with Drury is fractured. Chris won't be doing the Rangers any favors accepting a trade to a team not on his list. Chris got mad over Jim Ramsey and a few other changes. Probably John Rosasco. Drury replaced the Rangers longtime PR guy who had been there since Neil Smith was GM. Vince mentioned it's more than just Ramsey in his pod. First time anyone has directly mentioned Kreider being upset about Ramsey.
The Rangers have already replaced Kreider. His time is done here.
Drury brought in Miller. Time to reshape the team.
The guy to move is Fox. I think Jones is a heck of a player. Call me crazy. I have been called worse. I like the way Jones plays. The Rangers acquire a lefty in the Fox trade to play with Schneider. Miller with Borgen. Jones plays on the 3rd pair with Urho(or maybe the Rangers acquire an upgrade) and plays on PP1. He made a beautiful pass to Panarin on the first goal. Jones nearly won the game in OT. The Rangers can't play both Fox and Jones in the same lineup. The Rangers won't get much for Jones. The Rangers should get a really good return for Fox. Sign Jones to a nice team friendly contract this summer and play him. He has arbitration rights but he has barely played. He doesn’t have a strong arbitration case but the Rangers should sign him to a contract. With Fox in the lineup, Jones was a healthy scratch for 18 straight games. Fox gets hurt. Jones plays and he is the Rangers best D according to the fancy stats. Will there be much a drop off from Fox to Jones in terms of offensive production with more playing time? Don't say NO. Jones is better defensively. I think he competes a little bit harder too. A better skater.
Fox got his opportunity after Tony was thrown off of the team. I wonder how things would have turned if Tony didn't punch the backup goalie after a game. Would Fox have won the Norris in a 58 game season? No. Tony would have probably stayed on PP1 with Mika, Chris, Panarin and Strome. Maybe Fox would have received more PP1 with Tony on the team but it wouldn't have been the same situation with Tony off of the team.
I like Owen Power or Kaiden Guhle for that spot on the left side. Dylan Cozens slides into 2nd line center behind Miller. The Sabres want to make a hockey trade. If not Buffalo, Gorton would probably love to acquire Fox. The Rangers will need another top center where Cozens makes sense for the Rangers. Trocheck is getting older. I don't think Mika has a long-term future in NY. The Rangers tried to trade him to Vancouver. All of these teams need a center. Trade deadline rumors. This team wants a center. That team wants a center. Cap is going up. Eventually, Zibanejad will be moved. It's the matter of finding the right fit.
Kreider. He needs to go. Why wait until the summer? Will his play raise or hurt his value? Maybe some teams will have more cap space in the summer with the cap increase. 15 team no trade list. That list isn't changing much and it appears the relationship with Drury is fractured. Chris won't be doing the Rangers any favors accepting a trade to a team not on his list. Chris got mad over Jim Ramsey and a few other changes. Probably John Rosasco. Drury replaced the Rangers longtime PR guy who had been there since Neil Smith was GM. Vince mentioned it's more than just Ramsey in his pod. First time anyone has directly mentioned Kreider being upset about Ramsey.
The Rangers have already replaced Kreider. His time is done here.
Drury brought in Miller. Time to reshape the team.
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