Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m telling you how they read. If you don’t want them read, why are you posting them?
And it’s just as easy to say he’s not helping his linemates much. Or we could just say the whole line has declined, inclucing Pan, without having a chicken or the egg argument. The “we’ll have to replace Pans 100pts” argument is moot to me because even if we kept him he’s not going to score 100 points. IMO.

The guy is currently on a 90 point pace what are you talking about. You're making 0 sense.

 

[Machinehead]

I hope everyone who was begging to trade Fox while simultaneously pining for Zac Jones to get in the lineup are satisfied with the results.

My take on Jones is that he's certainly fine. He's an NHL player and I'd rather see him than the tree stumps they usually put near the bottom of the lineup.

But he has the biggest problem a defenseman can have -- he's an offensive defensemen who just isn't that good at offense.

Anybody suggesting Jones could have taken the place of Fox is being entirely disingenuous, because they would hate Jones for the same reasons they hate Fox once it became convenient.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

K Miller has to go. I was a fan of his for awhile but yea, he is absolutely not progressing, and his little post game interviews seal it for me. Guy doesn't give a shit either. He clearly is too far gone with the country club atmosphere to be saved. Ship him out while he still have value.

Schneider i'd hold onto still only being 23.

 

[Machinehead]

K Miller has to go. I was a fan of his for awhile but yea, he is absolutely not progressing, and his little post game interviews seal it for me. Guy doesn't give a shit either. He clearly is too far gone with the country club atmosphere to be saved. Ship him out while he still have value.

Schneider i'd hold onto still only being 23.

I'm not singling you out, but just a take on the age thing because we've gone over it with Schneider, Lafreniere, and others.

I'm pretty excited that Matt Rempe is only 22 because he's night and day a better player than he was last year.

Schneider is the same player he was day 1. Lafreniere hasn't gotten any better at anything he needed to get better at.

I get the age thing, but if the player shows no upward slope whatsoever, it becomes increasingly unlikely that they will.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The defense being bad is more than just the D themselves. The forwards don't know what the f*** they're doing. Its a ton of freelancing and just making an effort when convienent (for most, not everyone.) This team collectively looks like #10 at his worst.

However that doesn't mean that the D group is good. This group isn't good WITH Fox, with out Fox, it's really bad.

They're neglecting what they need in lieu of GRIT and MUSCLE and RAWR. If you're afraid of undersized puck movers.... How about adding bigger puck movers? Those guys also exist.

Guys like Walman and Kulak are totally fine. Both are in Edmonton. We could have had either but passed on both while adding guys like Braun and Soucy in the same year they were moved. I get that the price was higher for the guys Edmonton added but there wasn't anything standing in the way of the Rangers adding those guys. They could have ponied up for those players.

They choose not to.

 

[DaBadGuy7]

Rangers need an entire organizational re-boot. Sather’s cronies and overall influence is still negatively affecting them. They need a young and/or modern exec who is forward thinking in terms of roster construction and managing the cap. Going back to Neil Smith, Rangers have been too reactive instead to seeing how things are going in terms of roster and tactics. Until that mindset changes, it doesn’t matter who the coach and GM is.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

i really hope we didnt miss out on peterka because drury wanted to hold onto schneider. he’s so uninspiring. hope thats still on the table this offseason

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We need a new Gm, and definitely a new coach. We have a lot of good players underachieving, there's obviously something not right. Fix it.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm not singling you out, but just a take on the age thing because we've gone over it with Schneider, Lafreniere, and others.

I'm pretty excited that Matt Rempe is only 22 because he's night and day a better player than he was last year.

Schneider is the same player he was day 1. Lafreniere hasn't gotten any better at anything he needed to get better at.

I get the age thing, but if the player shows no upward slope whatsoever, it becomes increasingly unlikely that they will.

I'm willing to give Schneider more time before wanting to ship him, but that also doesn't mean i'm happy with his development. But he is a defensive dman and normally they are slower to develop.

Laf we have seen does have high end skill, so I want to believe that potential to do that every game is there and he will become more consistent in time. I'd love to see him stapled with Miller next season so he can see shift in and shift out what is takes to be a heavy player.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

i really hope we didnt miss out on peterka because drury wanted to hold onto schneider. he’s so uninspiring. hope thats still on the table this offseason

Peterka would have been put on the 3rd line and likely lose all his scoring abilities . Imo we need a coaching staff change with a fresh system that's built for the players we have.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Peterka would have been put on the 3rd line and likely lose all his scoring abilities . Imo we need a coaching staff change with a fresh system that's built for the players we have.

I agree we likely need a new coach.

But I’d like to ask who you actually think would be a good coach??

 

[bl02]

GP is pretty much our final hope in bringing in a young kid with star potential
It cant be right that every young kid has regressed. Something is wrong and has to change. Cuylle is the only one who shows hope.
unfortunately with guys like ck, 93 and 10 he's never gonna get a real chance here.

 

[bl02]

We need a new Gm, and definitely a new coach. We have a lot of good players underachieving, there's obviously something not right. Fix it.

A lot? I've posted before every single player from the goalies out have regressed this year! Every single one.
Maybe Cuylle and Rempe have done well

 

[tiggles]

nvm, ignore

 

[lakeshirts37]

Has Drury really been that bad? He has a lot of positive moves and some negatives. Im more of the mindset that he is just average. I think he wanted to revamp the defense in the offseason but Trouba threw a wrench into that. Im willing to give him another two seasons. Lets see what he can do with a lot of money coming off the books. The biggest issue imo is our Head coach and player development

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

We need a new Gm, and definitely a new coach. We have a lot of good players underachieving, there's obviously something not right. Fix it.

I'm going to be in a minority here, but a new GM and coach will not make much of difference.

Our biggest (and the only real constant) problem is our owner. Until Dolan is gone, we'll be subjected to the same old, same old for years to come.

We need an owner who will care about winning a cup -- Dolan is only interested in the Rangers when they miss the playoffs and aren't bringing in that Playoff $$$.

We need an owner who will hire the correct hockey people and then leave them alone to do their job -- Dolan will only hire "yes" men who will not say "no" to him and meekly step aside when he wants to make a "Patrick Kane" move.

 

[tiggles]

I dunno, I look at the roster Drury inherited from Gorton and find it hard to see any really meaningful improvement over his tenure. Better in some places, worse in others. I guess the “plan” was to just blindly assume that Krav, Kakko, and Laf would develop into big time players, but then not actually put them into a position to do so (with the caveat that, even if they were in that position, it wouldn't be a guarantee).

We’re going to be going on four years with Drury this summer. I know Gorton hamstrung him in some ways, but four years is a very long time in the NHL. Maybe it’s not the fairest time to judge, with big moves likely coming in the offseason, but that’s the reality of where we are right now.

 

[SA16]

I dunno, I look at the roster Drury inherited from Gorton and find it hard to see any really meaningful improvement over his tenure. Better in some places, worse in others. I guess the “plan” was to just blindly assume that Krav, Kakko, and Laf would develop into big time players, but then not actually put them into a position to do so (with the caveat that, even if they were in that position, it wouldn't be a guarantee).

We’re going to be going on four years with Drury this summer. I know Gorton hamstrung him in some ways, but four years is a very long time in the NHL. Maybe it’s not the fairest time to judge, with big moves likely coming in the offseason, but that’s the reality of where we are right now.

Nobody will ever like the GM and the coach. Drury has made a ton of moves that everyone wanted made. He recognized early this season that things were not going well despite their record and tried to make more changes. People just want the GM and coach to do exactly what they would do and whenever they don't they get upset. He got rid of Goodrow and Trouba for no cap hit. He got rid of Lindgren. Those were three of the guys people wanted off the team the most. I'm not concerned that he signed Goodrow to the contract in the first place. He recognized it was a mistake and fixed it. But because he trades Kakko or got rid of some players "the wrong way", or doesn't play Zac Jones, or signs Igor to a bad deal it's all no good.

 

[bernmeister]

People lose competitions. That's how competitions work.

TRUE
usually 1 loses, 1 wins

but the pt remains
we need to not only figure out our best 1RD situation
but also what does/does not address other team needs, which are real

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not singling you out, but just a take on the age thing because we've gone over it with Schneider, Lafreniere, and others.

I'm pretty excited that Matt Rempe is only 22 because he's night and day a better player than he was last year.

Schneider is the same player he was day 1. Lafreniere hasn't gotten any better at anything he needed to get better at.

I get the age thing, but if the player shows no upward slope whatsoever, it becomes increasingly unlikely that they will.

not disputing the bold
howev, some [Schneid, KAM] have legit talent
it is not hitting on all cylinders
we need to understand why
system?
partners = less than best chemistry?

DO THE HOMEWORK

 

[DanielBrassard]

Nobody will ever like the GM and the coach. Drury has made a ton of moves that everyone wanted made. He recognized early this season that things were not going well despite their record and tried to make more changes. People just want the GM and coach to do exactly what they would do and whenever they don't they get upset. He got rid of Goodrow and Trouba for no cap hit. He got rid of Lindgren. Those were three of the guys people wanted off the team the most. I'm not concerned that he signed Goodrow to the contract in the first place. He recognized it was a mistake and fixed it. But because he trades Kakko or got rid of some players "the wrong way", or doesn't play Zac Jones, or signs Igor to a bad deal it's all no good.

He traded Lindgren and then replaced him with Lindgren. Is the Ranger defense any better than it was heading into the season? I guess to be fair we have to see what it looks like when Fox is healthy but there’s a case to be made either isn’t. And supposedly this is the defense they will be heading into next season with as well which isn’t exactly inspiring. He signed Igor to an extension that is questionable, and I say that as someone who thinks Igor is great. Trading for 32 year old J.T. miller is another questionable decision. Im glad he recognized the team wasn’t good enough, but it’s not like the moves he’s made has made them any better.

Also, before we start trading K’Andre why not just play him with Fox and see what happens over an entire season:

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Have to turn him into a defense 1st grinder.The Rangers way of developing young talent

Kids gotta play "the right way" to make it in the NHL. Meanwhile everybody else on the team keeps doing whatever it is they do.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

We can't get one window right and everyone's focused on a second.

so many windows!!

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Cant wait to get to the summer with this team.

Major changes needed. Problem is the person making them isnt likely the right person to make them

 

[GAGLine]

K'Andre and Schneider need to be trade bait this summer. Neither are progressing here and both still hold value around the league. Capitalize now before its too late. Probably late with K'Andre but teams are dying to get their hands on Schneider.

Schneider + for Peterka
K'Andre for a late first

I'd pony up for Gavrikov or Chychrun on July 1. If we have all three of K'Andre Soucy and Vaak on the left side the season is over before it starts. In a perfect world Soucy and Borgen can be an excellen bottom pairing but if we are going to force these guys to eat 20+ minutes, nothing is going to change.

You're assuming those players will be available on July 1st. There's a very good chance they won't be.

As bad as you think Miller, Soucy and Vaak are collectively, we'd likely end up with a whole lot worse if we trade both Miller and Schneider.

We aren't going to be able to fix everything in one offseason. We need to focus on finding 1 solid top-4 dman first before we talk about moving Miller or Schneider. Find that guy, see how it goes, then make more adjustments as necessary. Maybe at some point we do move one or both of them, but we can't put the cart before the horse.