Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[lakeshirts37]

Bednar had some interesting comments on Lindgren and his analytics.

Its been said millions of times on here. Lindgren is fine in a sheltered 3LD role at a smaller cap hit. He was completely out of place on top pair. dont need fancy analytics to tell me that

 

[Boris Zubov]

Its been said millions of times on here. Lindgren is fine in a sheltered 3LD role at a smaller cap hit. He was completely out of place on top pair. dont need fancy analytics to tell me that

I dunno if that's actually true, because we never gave him that assignment. Over the past 5 years, how much time did he actually receive in a 3rd pair role getting sheltered minutes?

The bigger issue is his body breaking down. The quantity of mistakes in a lesser role should theoretically decrease, however the ones he does make will likely be equally egregious unless he finds the fountain of youth.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Always disingenuous. As if Buchnevich at 5.8M wasn’t included. It’s weird how so many of y’all just have a hard time making your points without abandoning good faith arguments.

lol the f*** are you talking about?

These are the players EF referenced. That’s all I was saying.

 

[LokiDog]

lol the f*** are you talking about?

These are the players EF referenced. That’s all I was saying.

I guess I’m talking about selective reading ability. He doesn’t even mention Henrique until the second post like .5” away from the word Buchnevich.

Maybe that’s just not the “EF” you were talking about.

 

[McRanger92]

Staple has mentioned McLeod, Novak & Laughton. Adding Parssinen probably wont preclude them from adding a center. It's a need.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I dunno if that's actually true, because we never gave him that assignment. Over the past 5 years, how much time did he actually receive in a 3rd pair role getting sheltered minutes?

The bigger issue is his body breaking down. The quantity of mistakes in a lesser role should theoretically decrease, however the ones he does make will likely be equally egregious unless he finds the fountain of youth.

To me at least that's the main issue. Multiple NHL coaches stapled Lindgren to Fox on the 1st pair because "they have chemisty" and I'm sure the players expressed interest in playing with each other. That's both the #1 reason why Lindgren had to be moved, and pretty obvious evidence that NHL coaches have blinding biases in their decision making.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I guess I’m talking about selective reading ability. He doesn’t even mention Henrique until the second post like .5” away from the word Buchnevich.
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Maybe that’s just not the “EF” you were talking about.

Lol I actually did miss that but it only further reinforces my view on this.

Do you want more examples? I gave you at least a half dozen a few days ago that you conveniently chose to ignore.

It’s a dumb argument (and I think you know this) that you can walk away from instead of tripling and quadrupling down. No one is going think any less of you.

 

[Cusedog]

I'm all for clearing out the bad apples and UFA's but I'd still be a bit worried here.

You'd have to really nail the trades of Kreider+Bread and get back pieces that can help you pretty much immediately.

I'd be so down if we were a year in the future because that UFA class potentially has legitimate star power. I like Rantanen and don't care that he's a winger, but he's not worth the 13-14 million he will get even considering the rising cap.

I like Chychrun, he's a good playoff away from probably getting a mid 9's to maybe even 10.

Bennett is going to be someone I'd bet my nuts on being a Ranger target if he's not re-signed by Florida. He's a really unique player (bangers aren't typically guys who thrive with controlled entries yet he does) but players of his ilk almost never age gracefully and he's good to miss time every season.

This UFA class reminds me a ton of 2016. So many mistakes were made that day.

Bennett - Yes, but never bet you nuts. Always franchise tag them. They can never be found in free agency or at the trade deadline when you need them.

 

[LokiDog]

Lol I actually did miss that but it only further reinforces my view on this.

Do you want more examples? I gave you at least a half dozen a few days ago that you conveniently chose to ignore.

It’s a dumb argument (and I think you know this) that you can walk away from instead of tripling and quadrupling down. No one is going think any less of you.

Is it, or am I just required to agree that it is because a few posters on this board have recently decided they’re the infallible experts on everything? Buchnevich signing for a 4 year 5.8M AAV coming off of 48 points in 54 games wasn’t a discount in exchange for trade protection? 5.8M was the going rate for a 25 year old nearly point per game two way winger? Scored 76 in 73 and 67 and in 63 the first two years of that contract. That wasn’t a sweet heart deal? Slavin? Even Henrique proves my point. He scored 52 points last year and was 53% on face offs. He could have gotten more than 3M but Edmonton couldn’t fit a larger cap number so they gave him an NMC to buy a lower cap hit. I actually don’t think you’ve made a single argument as good as you think you have in the past few weeks and I’m not sure where the confidence comes from but it looks pretty weak following the “Ha! I was right it was Werenski” gotcha you pulled the other day. How about we just don’t respond to each other for a bit? I don’t want to ignore each other, but we’re clearly not vibing right now.

 

[UnSandvich]

Somebody's gonna give Bennett the Zibanejad contract, and there's gonna be regret before the ink is dry. I'm steering clear there.

 

[kovazub94]

The reality is that they're both probably going to get moved sooner rather than later.

Its not a one or the other situation.

Obtaining JPM certainly gives Drury more room to operate but I'm just not sure he will be able to spend $8.5m more effectively in the rising cap than "regular" Zibanejad if he wants more bang for the buck. On the other hand, if Drury (who I get a sense keeps a grudge) was going by his notes re 2024 insubordination then ultimately it won't matter when he finds whatever he thinks is a reasonable price point to get all the malcontents out.

 

[AirGut]

If we could somehow transition from the Panarin Era into a Kaprizov Era...

 

[NickyFotiu]

As far as Kreider being moved---a lot might depend on how healthy he is and for what that's worth I'm not even sure what to make of his 'back' issue. No doubt it's for real but an acquiring team I'm sure would want to know it's getting better and it ain't going to go back out the first time he gets seriously jarred. The Rangers should have been really resting him at some point during the season. Allowing him to go off to the four nations tournament was idiotic AFAIC. He goes off---he practices and plays a couple games--he comes back and he's out with injury again. And yeah maybe you will be able to still trade him but we might have to take less because of the health concerns and again I wouldn't trade this player for cheap. I'd rather hold on to him until he's healthy again---hope he gets his game back (which I think there's a pretty good chance will happen) and then trade him.....even if that means moving him in the summer or next year. We're not strapped as far as the cap is concerned so there's not good enough reason to rush a deal and take just anything.

Usually teams buying at the TDL pay a premium for the playoffs but in CK's case will a team even think he will be healthy enough for the playoffs? They may want CK but be willing to wait till summer to get a cheaper price and have a better grip on his health.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Its been said millions of times on here. Lindgren is fine in a sheltered 3LD role at a smaller cap hit. He was completely out of place on top pair. dont need fancy analytics to tell me that

Bednar had some interesting comments on Lindgren and his analytics.

I love that he’s actually willing to address that question. Although the only good things he had to say were physicality and net front presence lol

 

[duhmetreE]

If we could somehow transition from the Panarin Era into a Kaprizov Era...

or McDavid. Or Eichel. Or Necas.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I absolutely eviscerated Zib at times this year, but I also had some posts 3+ years ago genuinely arguing he was our MVP at that time. I like to think that I fairly acknowledge improvements/declines without letting my personal feelings get in the way. Mika’s been pretty good since the calendar flipped and definitely has been since 4N. Don’t really care what the reason is - I will 100% take it. I don’t think we’ll ever see the dynamic player that we thought was going to be our 1C until he was 35, but I’m perfectly okay with him on the wing, with the cap rising as long as he continues to play like this. We’re lucky that Miller/Trochek can take the C duties away without it hurting us.

I think Kreider should just be put on the shelf for the remainder of the year. I think the injury questions are hurting his trade value and we could get more for him next year if he comes back rested, recovered and has a much better year. But if he’s kept, I don’t want him playing until next year. If we make the playoffs we can discuss him getting into the lineup, but until he’s healthy, just let him sit. Honestly, I think Mika not having his buddy attached to his hip is part of the turn around for him anyway. I haven’t heard specifics yet but if Fox’s injury is serious, just let him rest the remainder of the year too. I’d much rather have Fox at 100% next year than have him fight through whatever cumulative nagging crap he’s already had and add this shoulder on top. Fox may still be a top 5D in the NHL… when healthy. What does it matter if we can’t ever see him at more than 80-90%?

Panarin is the only one I think is worth putting active effort into finding a deal for. He’s still pacing for 90 points and he’s only a year removed from 120 on a team the whole league knows universally struggled. GMs will still see 100 point winger and getting TWO post season runs at 5.8M has genuine value. Plenty of others are already posting it; he’s the right fit for a Florida/Tampa, maybe Dallas with Seguin out, maybe even NJ with Hughes out - though we know he’d light us up for the one more year on that contract. Not the end of the world though. Vegas. Carolina if they move Rantanen? There’s options, and I don’t really think Artemi would be a hard ass about his NMC as long as we’re sending him somewhere he likes and is competitive.

A lot of people poo-pooed the JTM acquisition. Lots of “he immediately became JT from his first time here” posts and stuff like that when the trade went down. Guy is our best player right now and pretty much has been from his third game or so. He’s a horse physically and will stay in great shape. Wish he was a few years younger, but right now, JT is - I think - more responsible for any perceived turn around this team is experiencing than people realize. He’s the exact type of player that was needed. He’s far from perfect and he has his brain farts and controller disconnects and coasts at times, but when he wants to play, which is 90% of the time, he’s a maniac and I love that. I’m pretty happy with both of these trades by Drury so far. He’s done pretty well with trading since the Buch debacle. I don’t like his contract negotiations. I hate his coaching staff. I’m glad be stood his ground against the country club though.

I don’t care if we make or miss the playoffs. Happy to make it and give Pittsburgh the 16th pick or whatever. Just don’t BUY. That’s all I care about. The team had a nice shutout win (shit opponent, but still) with no Fox, Kreider, Smith, Lindgren. Keep it rolling - whatever happens, happens. Win, lose. Just stay this course. Make the moves like Smith that are obvious and investigate a hockey trade for Panarin. Just please don’t ADD unless it makes sense beyond 2025. That’s all I’m asking. That and don’t rush Kreider/Fox back because we MAY get a WC spot. Sliding into the 8 spot is NOT as valuable as those two being fully healthy next year.

The reasoning with Fox is obvious. With Kreider, he’s a beloved Ranger half of you don’t want to see go… so, he comes back fully healthy and his game picks up and he gets to finish his career in NY without a tarnished legacy OR he comes back healthy but the team still needs further tinkering, and he at least is able to return greater value as a trade chip. There’s no reason to rush either into the lineup right now. Let the chips fall as they will.

Pretty much agree with all of this. I feel they need to focus on finding better skaters to surrounding the aging vets - but they also need to play with an edge and be willing to do the necessary things on both sides of the rink to win during in postseason.

I realistically think that this team can turn it around rather quickly if all of the deadwood is removed and replaced with a group of impact players and sneaky value adds. I like the Jusso deal in that hes young and has a lot of potential but you also need a couple more sure things on both D and up front.

Collecting assets for a more impactful move or two in the summer or even into next season is the way to go. If there is a player(s) that are identified as a good fit in that regard go and get them. I honestly wouldn't be upset if they dangled Gabe or even Laf to accomplish it, if thats what it takes to get a difference maker. Would not be against moving Bread, nor Kreider.

Agree Fox needs a solid 6-8 months to get himself rightly healed and stronger for the next run. Mika does look better on the wing and if thats the key to getting him back to even 75% of what he was, then let it be. His head got in the way with all of the assignments. Let him go out there. He looks free and more confident. You can immediately tell with his skating stride becoming more horizontal and with a forward lean.

I also agree the coaching staff needs to be changed again. Lavy is stale and not only do the players lose the message after a year of him, but the constant refusal to infuse youth and reward their good play to push the vets when needed has to change with this club.

I am very happy that Drury is Selling and not buying, or at least threading the needle with a plan in mind. It makes for watching these last 22 games more interesting than the failed run back we knew was flawed as hell.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Laughton is a nice complimentary player on a good team, but can we not act like this guy is anything special?

I dont understand the buzz around this guy. His name always come up. Better younger players out there.

 

[Machinehead]

Laughton is a nice complimentary player on a good team, but can we not act like this guy is anything special?

I dont understand the buzz around this guy. His name always come up. Better younger players out there.

Laughton sucks.

 

[Levitate]

Its been said millions of times on here. Lindgren is fine in a sheltered 3LD role at a smaller cap hit. He was completely out of place on top pair. dont need fancy analytics to tell me that

it has been said but is it true

 

[Machinehead]

it has been said but is it true

I'm interested to see how that actually shakes out. Like, a lot of folks have brought up the role, but a reduction in role means he's not playing with Adam Fox anymore.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Trade idea

Smith 50 % to the kings for picks

In addition does it help the kings to include Jeannot for a bigger return? Almost 3 mill and he hasn't been worth it. Rangers can then retain 50% and flip him for another pick.....maybe? Kings can use use additional cap space to improve even more.

Obviously would love to get Clarke or Lafrierre but doubt they trade their Laf but maybe they include Clarke? Does adding Emery get it done?

Lastly if the Rangers keep Jeannott does a 4th line of Jeannott Carrick Rempe not sound interesting? 3rd line of Oth Pars Berard

Rangers would not be fun to play against.

 

[LokiDog]

I'm interested to see how that actually shakes out. Like, a lot of folks have brought up the role, but a reduction in role means he's not playing with Adam Fox anymore.

Yeah but that also means Lindgren’s broken ass has been playing against top quality of competition, or Fox hasn’t so, like you, I’m just interested to wait and see what actually happens.

 

[Machinehead]

Trade idea

Smith 50 % to the kings for picks

In addition does it help the kings to include Jeannot for a bigger return? Almost 3 mill and he hasn't been worth it. Rangers can then retain 50% and flip him for another pick.....maybe? Kings can use use additional cap space to improve even more.

Obviously would love to get Clarke or Lafrierre but doubt they trade their Laf but maybe they include Clarke? Does adding Emery get it done?

Lastly if the Rangers keep Jeannott does a 4th line of Jeannott Carrick Rempe not sound interesting? 3rd line of Oth Pars Berard

Rangers would not be fun to play against.

Trading them Panarin probably doesn't bring back Clarke.

 

[Alluckks]

Always disingenuous. As if Buchnevich at 5.8M wasn’t included. It’s weird how so many of y’all just have a hard time making your points without abandoning good faith arguments.

That isn't disingenuous lol

Buchnevich had a good contract. So does Trocheck. So did Kreider for a while when he was routinely top of the league in goals.

It wasn't about whether or not you could dig for it and write them all out. But you hounded someone else about counting beans of the NMCs, when here is a guy paid a shit ton for his job regarding that and he didn't even notice the NMCs on these very obvious [when they signed eve] trade deadline target vets till after he did a whole podcast segment about them being traded.

You gotta stop hounding man.

It was a very generic point laced in a quip. Relax. You don't gotta go back to attacking the merits of a post as a way to try to bolster your own validity with your takes. No one wants to do that. It's why the previous argument by someone else was abandoned with you and it is why I didn't even tag you or anything here.

... a few posters on this board have recently decided they’re the infallible experts on everything? ...

Only 2 posters have given that impression to me over the years lol

 

[n8]

Laughton is a nice complimentary player on a good team, but can we not act like this guy is anything special?

I dont understand the buzz around this guy. His name always come up. Better younger players out there.

He's a kind a Yanni Gourde type player. But taller. His trade price won't be worth. Neither will his UFA number. I think he will be an excellent TDL pick up for any of the really competitive teams out there. He'd be a big upgrade over Jack Drury in Colorado. Potentially even over Mittelstadt. Minnesota could use the depth at center. New Jersey could use an extra center with Hughes going down.