Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[NYR Viper]

It'd be nice to start fresh but I like Muse's mind. We really need a modern day tactician. Someone that works with the kids too. He has those attributes from what I recall. The players need a foundational understanding of what they're doing on the ice. We most definitely do not have that right now. The amount of hesitation/confusion/missed assignments is staggering.

Lavi is not the guy. I thought with the staff he brought on, it could work. He obviously has full control on gameplan and it's been horrendous... as in forms of execution. As some point things have to change/adapt. I have not seen that either. No more retreads/old guard. I'm over it. We need a fresh look and take on the ice.

I'd like to see Muse be a head coach in Hartford for a year or two honestly. That would be a really good next step for him. I think Peca is the guy for me

LOL....he had good offensive tutors in Penguinville .....who are our Malkin/Crosby on this current crew ?

I mean there aren't many players like Crosby in general but JT Miller is pretty good and I'm curious to see what Drury does if he is able to move on from Panarin and Kreider. That's a lot of cap space. Wouldn't it be something to see him find a way to sign McDavid or Eichel.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd like to see Muse be a head coach in Hartford for a year or two honestly. That would be a really good next step for him. I think Peca is the guy for me



I mean there aren't many players like Crosby in general but JT Miller is pretty good and I'm curious to see what Drury does if he is able to move on from Panarin and Kreider. That's a lot of cap space. Wouldn't it be something to see him find a way to sign McDavid or Eichel.

At this point if you have the space and he gets to UFA you need to shoot your shot with McDavid.

Eichel is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[McRanger92]

Tanev and Laughton rumors out there (not pertaining to Rangers necessarily) but hopefully we start to see some more action soon. It's actually been a pretty exciting year for in-season trades.

Dreger mentioning Brayden Schenn is available. Older guy but a great veteran presence and a tough customer. Feels like the type of contract and body the Rangers would have to expect back if they were trying to move Mika/Panarin/Kreider. Maybe one (or more) of those 3 would be excited to reunite with Buch. Blues are a very respectable organization imo. Schenn makes 6.5 until 2028 but I think he'd be a good veteran C/W to pair with our young guys coming up.

 

[kovazub94]

Kravtsov, Kakko, and Lafreniere were all more highly touted than Perreault. We would be over the moon if any of them turned into someone who put up a 120pt season. Very slim chances he becomes anything close to Panarin

Leaving 1OA and 2OA aside why do you think Perreault is less touted than Kravtsov?

 

[cheech70]

At this point if you have the space and he gets to UFA you need to shoot your shot with McDavid.

Eichel is a disaster waiting to happen.

Normally I would be cautious about older players but Eichel may still be good for another 3-5 yrs. Next retool is a short term lunge towards the cup. 3 yr time frame

 

[EdJovanovski]

Leaving 1OA and 2OA aside why do you think Perreault is less touted than Kravtsov?

See below

He was drafted higher, he was ranked #1 NHL affiliated prospect by TSN and Gabe isn’t even in the top 14. On HFBoards Main Boards Prospect Rankings Polls Gabe was ranked 48th after being drafted, Kravtsov was ranked 27th. Following respective seasons Gabe moved up to 23, and Kravtsov moved up to 7.

Kravtsov was undeniably more hyped than Gabe by NHL GM’s who drafted them, by hockey media, and by consensus of this website.

And even if he weren’t, Kakko & Lafreniere obviously were. Not trying to crap on the kid but we should not be writing him in as some sure thing to be a ppg+ player. Our track record with even more highly touted prospects is abysmal. And Gabe does have those same limitations with skating as well as size.

 

[kovazub94]

Jake Guentzel is also undersized and, to me, is more akin to the type of player Perrault projects to be.

More passing less goals

 

[kovazub94]

He was drafted higher, he was ranked #1 NHL affiliated prospect by TSN and Gabe isn’t even in the top 14. On HFBoards Main Boards Prospect Rankings Polls Gabe was ranked 48th after being drafted, Kravtsov was ranked 27th. Following respective seasons Gabe moved up to 23, and Kravtsov moved up to 7.

Kravtsov was undeniably more hyped than Gabe by NHL GM’s who drafted them, by hockey media, and by consensus of this website.

And even if he weren’t, Kakko & Lafreniere obviously were. Not trying to crap on the kid but we should not be writing him in as some sure thing to be a ppg+ player. Our track record with even more highly touted prospects is abysmal. And Gabe does have those same limitations with skating as well as size.

Eh, Kravtsov wasn’t even a clear cut #1 from Russia. Dorofeev was considered in the same breath, while one wound up a riser while the other a faller. To this point if Kravtsov was picked higher than Gabe was definitely a big faller so their draft spots should have much closer. Finally Kravtsov draft was not that forward rich as Perreault. Anyway this point is largely subjective.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Leaving 1OA and 2OA aside why do you think Perreault is less touted than Kravtsov?

I think after their d+1 seasons it’s a conversation.

If you look at them at this point in their d+2 seasons it’s not even comparable. Perreault is way better.

It’s really hard to look at things objectively (for me too) knowing what Kravtsov turned into but at one point he was highly regarded.

After he made the jump over season he basically booted a year of his development because he felt entitled to a NHL roster spot and then wouldn’t even do the bare minimum that was asked of him.

Perreault will turn out better. Better guidance, better attitude and he’s just a better player.

 

[kovazub94]

I think after their d+1 seasons it’s a conversation.

If you look at them at this point in their d+2 seasons it’s not even comparable. Perreault is way better.

It’s really hard to look at things objectively (for me too) knowing what Kravtsov turned into but at one point he was highly regarded.

After he made the jump over season he basically booted a year of his development because he felt entitled to a NHL roster spot and then wouldn’t even do the bare minimum that was asked of him.

Perreault will turn out better. Better guidance, better attitude and he’s just a better player.

I was trying to make a bit of distinction between “better prospect” vs “more touted”. Otherwise I watched a ton of Kravtsov play in the KHL during his Rangers years. He was definitely there in terms of talent (and his breakthrough this year should support it). His issues were undoubtedly in terms of effort whether during games or what was needed in order to continue to progress via training. We clearly see this distinction right now in Perreault, but I can acknowledge that recognizing this issue in 18-yo is not easy (though it looks like Drury’s FO is able to do it).

 

[duhmetreE]

Is Berard healthy?

He needs to be here.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd like to see Muse be a head coach in Hartford for a year or two honestly. That would be a really good next step for him. I think Peca is the guy for me



I mean there aren't many players like Crosby in general but JT Miller is pretty good and I'm curious to see what Drury does if he is able to move on from Panarin and Kreider. That's a lot of cap space. Wouldn't it be something to see him find a way to sign McDavid or Eichel.

I don’t know if Peca has that Xs and Os mind or what he would gameplan for. I feel like it’d be close to the same with him.

Maybe I’m wrong but at this point I’d try anything. Muse is in charge of the PK and that’s been one of our most consistent strong points…. Almost as if it’s well coached. Players understand their duties and execute. Now do that with everything please

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Who RangerBoy thinks he is.

 

[Guyute]

Who RangerBoy thinks he is.

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More like the dude on the right

 

[TGWL]

I really don't think keeping Laf away from Panarin would have been better for his development. Panarin has basically handed him a year 7+M contract.

Fans act like powerplay 1 would have completely changed this player. Sure, he would have had a little more confidence scoring some more points. But shouldn't he have walked into this season with a ton of confidence after last season? That didn't help and we've taken a step backwards. It's not all on Panarin.

Alexis Lafreniere has to take a lot of blame for how he's performing these season. A lot of fans/media tried to write off the cons/negatives to his game coming out of the draft, and here we are pointing to those same critiques.

 

[bigdog16]

I was trying to make a bit of distinction between “better prospect” vs “more touted”. Otherwise I watched a ton of Kravtsov play in the KHL during his Rangers years. He was definitely there in terms of talent (and his breakthrough this year should support it). His issues were undoubtedly in terms of effort whether during games or what was needed in order to continue to progress via training. We clearly see this distinction right now in Perreault, but I can acknowledge that recognizing this issue in 18-yo is not easy (though it looks like Drury’s FO is able to do it).

Kravtsov was highly touted because he put together a good d+1 season on a really bad Traktor team where he got a lot of ice time for a 19 year old in that league. His numbers were good for his age because he was getting more ice time than most kids get at 19.

As far as this year is concerned, he’s 25, I don’t think he will see another chance in NA. Also, the KHL is not what it used to be. It used to be on par or better than the AHL. That is not even close to the case anymore.

 

[kovazub94]

Kravtsov was highly touted because he put together a good d+1 season on a really bad Traktor team where he got a lot of ice time for a 19 year old in that league. His numbers were good for his age because he was getting more ice time than most kids get at 19.

As far as this year is concerned, he’s 25, I don’t think he will see another chance in NA. Also, the KHL is not what it used to be. It used to be on par or better than the AHL. That is not even close to the case anymore.

There’s no evidence that KHL gotten worse - the replacements came largely in the form of other foreigners or talented prospects who otherwise would have been in the VHL or MHL (it used to be the major driver for some prospects leaving Russia to play in CHL too).

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I really don't think keeping Laf away from Panarin would have been better for his development. Panarin has basically handed him a year 7+M contract.

Fans act like powerplay 1 would have completely changed this player. Sure, he would have had a little more confidence scoring some more points. But shouldn't he have walked into this season with a ton of confidence after last season? That didn't help and we've taken a step backwards. It's not all on Panarin.

Alexis Lafreniere has to take a lot of blame for how he's performing these season. A lot of fans/media tried to write off the cons/negatives to his game coming out of the draft, and here we are pointing to those same critiques.

He started the season on fire. I have no idea what happened to him but he was almost PPG at even strength.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Normally I would be cautious about older players but Eichel may still be good for another 3-5 yrs. Next retool is a short term lunge towards the cup. 3 yr time frame

Im less worried about his age and more worried about his durability.

He missed a bunch of time as a Sabre. He’s continued to miss a bunch of time as a Knight. Right now he’s on pace to play almost a full season for the first time since his rookie year.

He can’t help you if he isn’t on the ice.

I’d offer McDavid what ever a max contract is and multiple planets though.

 

[TGWL]

He started the season on fire. I have no idea what happened to him but he was almost PPG at even strength.

He spent majority of his time on Quarter 1 with Panarin, who was on pace for near 100 points.

 

[haohmaru]

Im less worried about his age and more worried about his durability.

He missed a bunch of time as a Sabre. He’s continued to miss a bunch of time as a Knight. Right now he’s on pace to play almost a full season for the first time since his rookie year.

He can’t help you if he isn’t on the ice.

I’d offer McDavid what ever a max contract is and multiple planets though.

McDavid will likely never get to free agency.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He spent majority of his time on Quarter 1 with Panarin, who was on pace for near 100 points.

But I don't think Panarin last year or early this year was the sole reason for his production. All three guys on that line have been playing signifiicantly worse and all three played very well last year and beginning of this year.

 

[TGWL]

But I don't think Panarin last year or early this year was the sole reason for his production. All three guys on that line have been playing signifiicantly worse and all three played very well last year and beginning of this year.

Maybe he wasn't the sole reason, but that line seems to go when Panarin goes.

Obviously the minutes for other lineups involving Lafreniere isn't there with the other teammates, but he doesn't do anything away from Panarin, and once Panarin stopped being a threat, he went downhill.

 

[Atax]

McDavid will likely never get to free agency.

I think he will. The NHL will want him to for the marketing. He’d be a fool not to.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Maybe he wasn't the sole reason, but that line seems to go when Panarin goes.View attachment 984404

Obviously the minutes for other lineups involving Lafreniere isn't there with the other teammates, but he doesn't do anything away from Panarin, and once Panarin stopped being a threat, he went downhill.

I will be an eye test guy for a second. But I feel like last year if you watched him play and even early this year, you could see him contributing. He didn't play like he was leeching off Panarin. He was skating and creating chances. I don't think Panarin was the only reason he had his breakout year.