Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[eco's bones]

The top 6 forwards--(Panarin, Trocheck, Lafreniere, Zibanejad, Kreider and Smith) we started with this year have all had disappointing and underwhelming seasons. There's no evidence that I can see that this club could go on a run and have any momentum going into the postseason. Half the time they look either gassed or disinterested. The fact that we might still sneak in is due more to the ineptitude of the teams vying for the last playoff spot or two.

I'll keep JT way from all the above because he's actually looked pretty good and IMO almost instantly became our best forward. Our last two wins pretty much because Igor stole the game against the Pens and because our 4th liners had like ten times the energy of the Panarin's and Zibanejad's etc.

 

[NYR Viper]

Clarke + Depending on retention

Someone floated Kempe and Clarke. Hopefully Blake would be dumb enough. We’re due for some lopsided trade/luck

I'd be 'hoping' for:

Clarke + Jeannot (cap dump) + Dvorak + 1st '25 + 2nd '26

Something along those lines. The Rangers likely would need to retain a bit as well. They have $4.5m in deadline cap space and Jeannot is $2.665 so unless they want to include Byfield and decrease the other pieces, they may need retention to make it work

 

[Savant]

I’d want Kempe and/or Byfield (not Fiala) in a Panarin deal from LA. I personally would like Clarke, but also think Clarke would be useless here under the current staff.

 

[leetch99]

That part goes without saying



Trouba sure was a weird one for me. I NEVER would have guessed he would fall off a cliff like he did at 30 years old.

Well...if the Fox shoulder injury is serious....he might eclipse that 30 benchmark .

 

[McRanger92]

Probably for the best if Fox's thing is serious.

Shut him down and let him get 100%.

He played 275 games in three years. The offseason coming off an ECF appearance isn't long enough. He played on the bad knee almost the entire playoffs.

Im just happy its not another leg injury

 

[leetch99]

You'd either move Schneider to LD or deal him at that point. If you could get a good C prospect for Schneider that would be ideal. Thinking about it more, not sure I'd want KAM-Clarke as a 2nd pair, probably too risky from a defensive play standpoint.

Its an interesting idea though.


For whatever reason the Kings are screwing with his ice time. King fans are frustrated by it. Kings have mismanaged lots of D the last couple years.


Lol we don't even know the extent yet. Chill

Any kind of an injury is bad for our little fellow . The shoulder is important for hockey players ...especially a Dman ! Imagine puck retrieval with a bum shoulder ...imagine firing shots from the point ? Imagine even trying to hold/push guys off....

 

[Machinehead]

Im just happy its not another leg injury

The leg stuff seems to compound the most in this sport, with the skating and all that.

Shoulder should be good if he has a summer staying off of it.

Leetch had a really bad shoulder and played the whole '94 tournament with it. Came back to win the Norris again in '97.

 

[McRanger92]

I would retain as much as possible on Panarin to get him the hell off this team.

 

[Machinehead]

I would retain as much as possible on Panarin to get him the hell off this team.

Yeah, if you asked me in like, probably December, I would have said "well you know, we need talent, and he's hard to replace."

I've gotten sick of him. This is very far from the Panarin that can carry a team. His dumb habits get worse and worse.

 

[Alluckks]

Probably for the best if Fox's thing is serious.

Shut him down and let him get 100%.

He played 275 games in three years. The offseason coming off an ECF appearance isn't long enough. He played on the bad knee almost the entire playoffs.

It is still not lost on me that it was the shithead capitals in a lost series with their bum ass team that ran Fox all series and then finished it off with that f***ing knee on knee

The leg stuff seems to compound the most in this sport, with the skating and all that.

Shoulder should be good if he has a summer staying off of it.

Leetch had a really bad shoulder and played the whole '94 tournament with it. Came back to win the Norris again in '97.

Shoulder is fine as an injury for Fox, he isn’t rifling slappers and he isn’t leading heavy checks with his shoulder multiple times a game

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah, if you asked me in like, probably December, I would have said "well you know, we need talent, and he's hard to replace."

I've gotten sick of him. This is very far from the Panarin that can carry a team. His dumb habits get worse and worse.

I was FUMING last night when he dangled at the blueline, lost the puck and put his arm up for a change rather than back check. Gee, I wonder where Lafreniere learned that move

 

[Alluckks]

The Rangers have so much damn cap space

Use it, burn it as best you can, and move the damn vets. Addition by subtraction. Get some hungry young guys in here and let us see what we have to move forward with to fill out the bottom 6.

 

[McRanger92]

It is still not lost on me that it was the shithead capitals in a lost series with their bum ass team that ran Fox all series and then finished it off with that f***ing knee on knee


Shoulder is fine as an injury for Fox, he isn’t rifling slappers and he isn’t leading heavy checks with his shoulder multiple times a game

f***head wilson went after him after a powerplay goal got scored and there was very little repsonse. On the other hand, we embarrassed them physically all series. Laf and Rempe knocked out 2 of their 6 D-men and Panarin, of all people, mightve ended Oshie's career with that reverse hit.

 

[will1066]

I was FUMING last night when he dangled at the blueline, lost the puck and put his arm up for a change rather than back check. Gee, I wonder where Lafreniere learned that move

It's gotta be frustrating for him. The things he used to do no longer work. He also does not appear to be the type of player who can reinvent his game.

 

[Machinehead]

I was FUMING last night when he dangled at the blueline, lost the puck and put his arm up for a change rather than back check. Gee, I wonder where Lafreniere learned that move

I've always taken the stance that if you can do it, then whatever.

It's like in baseball. Sure, swing like Tarzan. Over a large sample, you're a net benefit if you strike out 170 times but you're hitting 45 homers. I just need to know that in the 8th inning of a tied playoff game, you know how to get the guy in from third.

Panarin never made that adjustment under pressure in the playoffs, and now that he's a bit older, he doesn't get away with playing like an ass.

 

[leetch99]

It is still not lost on me that it was the shithead capitals in a lost series with their bum ass team that ran Fox all series and then finished it off with that f***ing knee on knee


Shoulder is fine as an injury for Fox, he isn’t rifling slappers and he isn’t leading heavy checks with his shoulder multiple times a game

Playoff hockey 101 .

 

[McRanger92]

It's gotta be frustrating for him. The things he used to do no longer work. He also does not appear to be the type of player who can reinvent his game.

There was a moment last night when he missed on a pretty clear chance and they showed him on the bench and he looked distraught. I have empathy for these players as much as I harshly criticize them when I feel its warranted. I think they do care. But their will is sapped. As a group, they know they can't win together. that is a bitter pill for a close knit team to swallow. The sooner they are gone, the better for the organization and it's future. The sooner they are gone, and the sooner time will heal the wounds and we can remember these guys as the great Rangers they were and have been. But this chapter is over.

 

[bernmeister]

One of a variety of questions this raises is whether Jones/Brannstrom will get looks on the PP or if it goes to Miller.

NYR could also try a 5 forward first unit.

if still here I could see bread as QBing the PP, go w/one D

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've always taken the stance that if you can do it, then whatever.

It's like in baseball. Sure, swing like Tarzan. Over a large sample, you're a net benefit if you strike out 170 times but you're hitting 45 homers. I just need to know that in the 8th inning of a tied playoff game, you know how to get the guy in from third.

Panarin never made that adjustment under pressure in the playoffs, and now that he's a bit older, he doesn't get away with playing like an ass.

I'd say it's more like swinging 3-0.

If you're going to do it, you better make solid contact. Sometimes you'll smoke the ball right at someone (or in hockey terms, you ring one off the bar or the goalie makes a great save) and thats out of your control but at least the process should have led to success despite the eventual outcome.

You can't pop up to the catcher.

Game sense also matters. If you want to dick around up 5-0 then go for it, I'm less bothered by that and if there was ever a time to try to do ridiculous shit its when you're up by a bunch and in no danger of losing the game.

In a tie or close game? That shit better work.

Panarin's problems are two fold. He tries to do this stupid shit and when it doesn't work and then he gets domed up and tries to throw pucks through 5 sets of bodies from nearly impossible/low percentage areas of the ice which is honestly just as stupid and dangerous. All it results in is lost possession at best and high danger turnovers at the worst (See: Panthers GWG in game 6 last year, that entire sequence came because he tried to throw a puck from the blue line through someone who was directly in front of him and don't even get me started on his effort getting back on D.)

so It's like someone who not only swings 3-0, he's also the guy who tries to bunt with 2 strikes on him and no one on base.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd be 'hoping' for:

Clarke + Jeannot (cap dump) + Dvorak + 1st '25 + 2nd '26

Something along those lines. The Rangers likely would need to retain a bit as well. They have $4.5m in deadline cap space and Jeannot is $2.665 so unless they want to include Byfield and decrease the other pieces, they may need retention to make it work

I'd be content with Clarke and Turcotte... maybe a 1st. I'm just over it. I'm ready for a major shift with the org.

Grown weary of the product and effort.

 

[kovazub94]

Probably for the best if Fox's thing is serious.

Shut him down and let him get 100%.

He played 275 games in three years. The offseason coming off an ECF appearance isn't long enough. He played on the bad knee almost the entire playoffs.

If Drury's existing plan was to move Lindgren, Kreider, Smith etc by TDL then yesterday's injuries should only put more support behind writing this season down & start setting selves up for 2025-2026 and beyond.

On the other hand if his primary directive (self imposed or pushed down from Dolan) is to make playoffs than who know what kind of additional steps to take or not would be required now (plan B). I'm hoping this is not the case but who knows.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers should get Alex Tuch if he's available. they were the first team with reported interest last deadline. IDK what that trade looks like though. I imagine Drury and the sabres GM are very familiar with each others wants and needs over the years. It's crazy how long the rumors have persisted and they've never made a trade. Gong back to Eichel.

 

[kinghock]

I'd be content with Clarke and Turcotte... maybe a 1st. I'm just over it. I'm ready for a major shift with the org.

Grown weary of the product and effort.

Kings were burned with PLD trade.

There is no way they will trade for old, expensive, perimeter-oriented player like Panarin.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kings were burned with PLD trade.

There is no way they will trade for old, expensive, perimeter-oriented player like Panarin.

thanks rob didnt know you posted on hfboards

 

[NYR Viper]

Would anyone be open to a:

Zibanejad for Hartman + Trenin + deal from Minnesota?