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Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

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Siddi said:
"Since the break" is a valid data point. Jan-apr is 4 months of play. If he continues his trajectory from since the break then he will end the season on a great note. What will your argument be then? Mika bad cause he played shit for 3 months? What about the other 4 months?

I give a shit and I hope majority of my fellow fans who want the team to succeed do to.

You have been on my back telling me it is to soon for my "daily victory laps" for almost 2 months now. When does daily victory laps turn into weekly or even monthly?
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There's an awful lot of assumption here, but to humor you, since the break he has 16 points in 21 games. That's after a huge hot streak to start off February. The team has 27 games left, so we're looking at another 20 points If he keeps up that current pace, which would give him 57 points for the season. Is this really something to celebrate?

Again, I've repeated it many times that I've accepted that moving forward I expect Zib to be a roller coaster of a player, a season full of many lulls mixed in with some high points. He's not the same attacking, aggressive player he once was & certainly not capable of carrying a team. I'm not sure he ever was, honestly. However as a fan of this team, yes I'm one of those too, my hope is he can retain a semblance of an NHL player in order to raise his interest & trade value around the league. It's nothing personal against him, I'm simply of the mind that he's not part of the solution here & not someone who'll ever be a key player on a Cup winner.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
There's an awful lot of assumption here, but to humor you, since the break he has 16 points in 21 games. That's after a huge hot streak to start off February. The team has 27 games left, so we're looking at another 20 points If he keeps up that current pace, which would give him 57 points for the season. Is this really something to celebrate?

Again, I've repeated it many times that I've accepted that moving forward I expect Zib to be a roller coaster of a player, a season full of many lulls mixed in with some high points. He's not the same attacking, aggressive player he once was & certainly not capable of carrying a team. I'm not sure he ever was, honestly. However as a fan of this team, yes I'm one of those too, my hope is he can retain a semblance of an NHL player in order to raise his interest & trade value arund the league. I'm of the mind that he's not part of the solution here & not someone who'll ever be a key player on a Cup winner.
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I am not just talking about points when praising his games. but since you dont believe in advance stats there is no point in asking you to look those up. GAP had a nice breakdown of Mikas analytics since the break and they infact proved him driving play and being the teams best player at generating offence but your side of the Mika aisle are all anti-advance stats.
 
I doubt Kreider ever hits his age again in goals . Oh well.....age gets us all eventually . Some before others if they are small and it must/does hurt getting hit by guys 40-50 pounds heavier and faster a couple times a game.....look at Lindgren....and Fox looks like he is next up for that punishment . Maybe if he was on a second pairing and we had two guys that were better at defending then scoring/rushing it would be better....but that is a pipe dream .

We should have kept Mancini....he could possibly have been one half of that combo with his size and speed . Maybe him and Miller could have been our top 2 in a couple of years and Leetch on a second pairing .....maybe with a different D system....who knows ? It is hard to predict what happens next week let along next 2-3 yrs ...but seldom does this team think that far ahead . Myself....I always figure you build from the D out .

Strong D....strong team !
 
Siddi said:
I am not just talking about points when praising his games. but since you dont believe in advance stats there is no point in asking you to look those up.
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Just like you to move the goalposts, but please tell me what the advanced stats show that 8 even strength points in 21 games don't? How do the advanced stats quantify all the flubbed passes & poor puck handling, or the terrible decision making like passing up shot attempts in the slot or missing the net with his one timers? Even with his so called resurgence, he's still playing with a level of confidence that's one notch above shattered.

I'm going stop engaging with you on this because you're incapable of looking at the player objectively. I've told you numerous times that I respect yous passion for the guy, however it doesn't lead to positive, good faith back & forth discussions.
 
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leetch99 said:
I doubt Kreider ever hits his age again in goals . Oh well.....age gets us all eventually . Some before others if they are small and it must/does hurt getting hit by guys 40-50 pounds heavier and faster a couple times a game.....look at Lindgren....and Fox looks like he is next up for that punishment . Maybe if he was on a second pairing and we had two guys that were better at defending then scoring/rushing it would be better....but that is a pipe dream .

We should have kept Mancini....he could possibly have been one half of that combo with his size and speed . Maybe him and Miller could have been our top 2 in a couple of years and Leetch on a second pairing .....maybe with a different D system....who knows ? It is hard to predict what happens next week let along next 2-3 yrs ...but seldom does this team think that far ahead . Myself....I always figure you build from the D out .

Strong D....strong team !
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Leetch is a little old, but probably better than Lindgren
 
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Siddi said:
I am sorry but this is another bad uninformed take from you.

Once again, sorry but the advanced stats are more accurate than you eye test.
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You'd be better served to maybe take it down a nudge and call him among the group of the better players since the break. I don't see how he's been clearly better since the break than Panarin, Trocheck or Fox. Miller don't have offensive stats but his turnaround as part of Borgen - Miller pair has also been a factor. Zibanejad did improve more than these others just because his pre-break underperformance was deeper so if you want to call "the most improved" - you'd probably be right. (I'm sure you find a snarky remark to base your reply)
 
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Kreider can probably age like Pavelski but thats really not what's best for the Rangers, in their current state. Personal feelings on these players aside, it's an organizational failure to never give the highest drafted prospect in Rangers history consistent PP time. You can't tell me that's not contributing to Laff's half-hearted play. It's not right but I understand it from his side. You also can't say Kreider didnt get his shot considering its been 13 years. Not to mention Cuylle has vastly outplayed him this year as well. Othmann clearly pushing. It's time.

I love Kreider despite what some overly sensitive fans think, but I also can acknowledge when it's time to move on. He's definitely sulking like Zucc did toward the end. I dont think his value is through the roof right now but I think there are teams that would love to have him in a lesser role. If they can get a first and a guy like Frederic who they'd have interest in extending, I think that makes sense.

Machinehead said:
He's not immune to criticism and I think it's mostly on the offensive end that he's been off. Particularly in transition. As good as he is inside both zones, I'd say he's more or less average in transition. That's why so much is made of his partner. We're asking Fox to carry Lindgren, who can't move the puck at all, and that's not even one of Fox's strengths.

But then people lie and say he's not good at defense. Why lie?

"He's not built for this tournament! He can't play defense!"

When has he been beaten badly in this tournament? I haven't seen it. I saw Werenski get f***ing cooked by McDavid. I saw Flavin and Saber covering ghosts on both Sweden goals. What has Fox done wrong?

All I see him doing is not playing a lot despite Team USA being pretty good when he plays. I cannot stress to you enough how much I don't care what Mike Sullivan thinks. He has a team with four Hall of Famers on it in 7th place.
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Everyone saying Fox has been "horrible" this tournament, must watch a different game than me. He has been positionally sound and physically as the US puts on a defensive clinic. The puck comes out of the zone quickly and safely when it's on his stick. Sounds familiar. If anything it's given me more confidence he is capable of playing Stanley Cup caliber defense for us.
 
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Machinehead said:
He's not immune to criticism and I think it's mostly on the offensive end that he's been off. Particularly in transition. As good as he is inside both zones, I'd say he's more or less average in transition. That's why so much is made of his partner. We're asking Fox to carry Lindgren, who can't move the puck at all, and that's not even one of Fox's strengths.

But then people lie and say he's not good at defense. Why lie?

"He's not built for this tournament! He can't play defense!"

When has he been beaten badly in this tournament? I haven't seen it. I saw Werenski get f***ing cooked by McDavid. I saw Flavin and Saber covering ghosts on both Sweden goals. What has Fox done wrong?

All I see him doing is not playing a lot despite Team USA being pretty good when he plays. I cannot stress to you enough how much I don't care what Mike Sullivan thinks. He has a team with four Hall of Famers on it in 7th place.
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I really would like to see him with Schneider.

He can skate and has size. Playing on his off side would allow him to get good shooting angles.

It just makes too much sense to me to try.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I really would like to see him with Schneider.

He can skate and has size. Playing on his off side would allow him to get good shooting angles.

It just makes too much sense to me to try.
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Schneider is really good at moving the puck up the ice too.

I'm not sure he's good at anything else, but he wouldn't need to be.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Kreider can probably age like Pavelski but thats really not what's best for the Rangers, in their current state. Personal feelings on these players aside, it's an organizational failure to never give the highest drafted prospect in Rangers history consistent PP time. You can't tell me that's not contributing to Laff's half-hearted play. It's not right but I understand it from his side. You also can't say Kreider didnt get his shot considering its been 13 years. Not to mention Cuylle has vastly outplayed him this year as well. Othmann clearly pushing. It's time.

I love Kreider despite what some overly sensitive fans think, but I also can acknowledge when it's time to move on. He's definitely sulking like Zucc did toward the end. I dont think his value is through the roof right now but I think there are teams that would love to have him in a lesser role. If they can get a first and a guy like Frederic who they'd have interest in extending, I think that makes sense.



Everyone saying Fox has been "horrible" this tournament, must watch a different game than me. He has been positionally sound and physically as the US puts on a defensive clinic. The puck comes out of the zone quickly and safely when it's on his stick. Sounds familiar. If anything it's given me more confidence he is capable of playing Stanley Cup caliber defense for us.
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Pavelski continues to be the player I keep waiting to see in comparison to Fox. Fox is such a Pavelski-esque (not Stepan-esque) defenseman, if Pavelski were also regularly one of the 6-7 highest scoring players at his position on top of being a Hall of Fame worthy two way player.
 
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RangerBoy said:
www.dailyfaceoff.com

Sources: Team USA, Bruins’ Charlie McAvoy is week-to-week after procedure to clear infection

McAvoy was ruled out of Thursday’s 4 Nations Face-Off winner-take-all championship game against Canada.
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Vince discussed Fox's limited role on the U.S. team. Dropped from PP1. Hughes isn't even on the team. Fox isn't built for the high intense, physical and fast games where you need to DEFEND. It's fueling the narrative because the narrative is true. Just look at how the ice time is being distributed.



Stop making excuses for Fox. You are looking more foolish than usual. His knee hurts. He got married last summer. He moved to Connecticut. He will train harder this summer. He needs a better defense partner. He still good at pinching to keep plays alive in the offensive zone. His overall game is trending down.
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Touch grass brother
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Does he have anything left? I'm for it if it means dumping Lindgren & moving up Schneider to play with Fox. Otherwise, why bother?
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I haven't watched the flames much this year. He could be cooked. But waivers, seems worth a flier just with how desperate the need for offensive dmen is on our roster.
 
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