Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[RangersFan1994]

"Additionally, forwards Brett Berard, Brennan Othmann and Jake Leschyshyn, and defenseman Matthew Robertson, have reported to New York to participate in practice with the Rangers."

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[Alluckks]

Rangers fans watched a good hockey team play and their brains broke.

I was told Fox played like shit based off of 1 chart from a meaningless game against Sweden. McAvoy is a god in a game where that same chart person ranks him last lol

I was told Fox is soft. McAvoy is hurt from the game that he completely altered the course of the universe with a single hit

 

[RangerBoy]

I was told Fox played like shit based off of 1 chart from a meaningless game against Sweden. McAvoy is a god in a game where that same chart person ranks him last lol

I was told Fox is soft. McAvoy is hurt from the game that he completely altered the course of the universe with a single hit

It’s a gut punch for not only McAvoy, but also for the United States. Canada will have top defenseman Cale Makar, who missed Saturday’s game with illness, back in the lineup on Thursday night at TD Garden. McAvoy played a critical role in Team USA’s memorable win. He skated 19:27 against Canada on Saturday night and delivered two thunderous first period hits upending Connor McDavid.

Sources: Team USA, Bruins’ Charlie McAvoy is week-to-week after procedure to clear infection

McAvoy was ruled out of Thursday’s 4 Nations Face-Off winner-take-all championship game against Canada.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Vince discussed Fox's limited role on the U.S. team. Dropped from PP1. Hughes isn't even on the team. Fox isn't built for the high intense, physical and fast games where you need to DEFEND. It's fueling the narrative because the narrative is true. Just look at how the ice time is being distributed.



Stop making excuses for Fox. You are looking more foolish than usual. His knee hurts. He got married last summer. He moved to Connecticut. He will train harder this summer. He needs a better defense partner. He still good at pinching to keep plays alive in the offensive zone. His overall game is trending down.

 

[Siddi]

no, along w/obv Lindgren, Vesey etc
THE FIRST MOVE IS DUMP ZIB ASAP
he is a cancer that needs to be made an example of



NO
you capitulate to the fact I'm speaking the truth
zib cannot be allowed to establish how much effort he will put out when and if he chooses

The truth is that he had an awful first half and since the break he turned it around and is now the teams best player for well over a month. Hopefully he continues that trajectory when the league starts up again on saturday.

Let it go!

 

[bernmeister]

The truth is that he had an awful first half and since the break he turned it around and is now the teams best player for well over a month. Hopefully he continues that trajectory when the league starts up again on saturday.

Let it go!

stop w/lying bs
small uptick in offense does not offset inexcusable lack of effort/results defensively

 

[Siddi]

stop w/lying bs
small uptick in offense does not offset inexcusable lack of effort/results defensively

Come on Bern, stats dont lie. It is not just me at this point. Even the most harsh critics of him are acknowledging that fact,

And its not even about the points. The advanced stats all tell a different story to what you are clinging to.

Whether or not he can continue that trajectory is yet to bee seen but as of right now you stand alone on fool's island.

 

[eco's bones]

The truth is that he had an awful first half and since the break he turned it around and is now the teams best player for well over a month. Hopefully he continues that trajectory when the league starts up again on saturday.

Let it go!

He's been better. I wouldn't say he was our best player though. Getting kicked up to a line with Panarin and JT has helped him.

The thing with the awful first half and it could be said for Kreider and maybe a few others too is that now we're chasing a season and it's very much up in the air whether this team can even make the playoffs at this point. A long stretch of losing comes with those kinds of consequences. Mika wasn't the only issue though.....team defense has been real iffy too. Fox is really the only one capable of making plays up the ice with any consistency but he's hampered by a partner who has too many issues of his own to be much help as a safety valve or even to take some of the heat off Fox when other teams are pressing us down in our own end.

The Rangers must be pretty easy for most teams to pre-plan. Forecheck Fox hard and take the Rangers defense out of the picture as far as making plays the rest of the night. Fox needs a better partner but we also need someone with more puck creativity on another of our pairings.

Anyway our defense IMO is the main area to address between now and the start of free agency---next year's training camp.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I’m with Machinehead. Trading Fox to me is asinine. I don’t see a reason to do it. Put it this way, he’s not untouchable but the event where he is traded needs to be something where a team comes banging down the door and overwhelms me.

But I also agree that Fox isn’t immune from criticism. Everyone is so angry with this season they just want to erase the roster. You shouldn’t make decisions with that type of emotion. The trade Fox crowd just appears like that to me - emotional and flustered.

I just don’t believe in making rash decisions off of one season. Games trend up and down within a season and season to season. It’s not an excuse. Fox was a dominant offensive force. He still is analytically. He’s coming off a short offseason where his knee was banged up. He has 40 assists already. He averages 70 points over 82 in his career. 70 points, as a defenseman. Multi year sample. That’s a lot of points. How many 70 point D are there? He had a great playoff in 22 and was good again in 23. You guys want to shoot him to the moon because he’s not Cale Makar. There aren’t many Cale Makars.

Trading Fox means you have to replace him and the odds are that you’re going to replace him with a much worse player. Why do we want to make the team worse?

 

[TominNC]

I agree. Talk about trading Fox is asinine

 

[Siddi]

He's been better. I wouldn't say he was our best player though. Getting kicked up to a line with Panarin and JT has helped him.

I am sorry but this is another bad uninformed take from you. Just like the one where you claimed Kreider outperforming Mika in the post season.

Mika was outperforming everyone well before JT arrived and not because he was placed on the RW for 2 games. And what happened when he was replaced on that line with Vesey/Laf/Smith? That line went cold while Mika continued to produce elsewhere.

Once again, sorry but the advanced stats are more accurate than you eye test.

 

[bernmeister]

Come on Bern, stats dont lie. It is not just me at this point. Even the most harsh critics of him are acknowledging that fact,

And its not even about the points. The advanced stats all tell a different story to what you are clinging to.

Whether or not he can continue that trajectory is yet to bee seen but as of right now you stand alone on fool's island.

no, more dishonest bs
your representation of what is "fact" is false

what I said about lackluster effort and subpar def, THAT is TRUE


AND I am not the only one...

He's been better. I wouldn't say he was our best player though. Getting kicked up to a line with Panarin and JT has helped him.

The thing with the awful first half and it could be said for Kreider and maybe a few others too is that now we're chasing a season and it's very much up in the air whether this team can even make the playoffs at this point. A long stretch of losing comes with those kinds of consequences. Mika wasn't the only issue though.....team defense has been real iffy too. Fox is really the only one capable of making plays up the ice with any consistency but he's hampered by a partner who has too many issues of his own to be much help as a safety valve or even to take some of the heat off Fox when other teams are pressing us down in our own end.

The Rangers must be pretty easy for most teams to pre-plan. Forecheck Fox hard and take the Rangers defense out of the picture as far as making plays the rest of the night. Fox needs a better partner but we also need someone with more puck creativity on another of our pairings.

Anyway our defense IMO is the main area to address between now and the start of free agency---next year's training camp.

I agree Mika is not the only one, but he is the most complicit -> lackadaisical -> guilty

 

[Machinehead]

I’m with Machinehead. Trading Fox to me is asinine. I don’t see a reason to do it. Put it this way, he’s not untouchable but the event where he is traded needs to be something where a team comes banging down the door and overwhelms me.

But I also agree that Fox isn’t immune from criticism. Everyone is so angry with this season they just want to erase the roster. You shouldn’t make decisions with that type of emotion. The trade Fox crowd just appears like that to me - emotional and flustered.

I just don’t believe in making rash decisions off of one season. Games trend up and down within a season and season to season. It’s not an excuse. Fox was a dominant offensive force. He still is analytically. He’s coming off a short offseason where his knee was banged up. He has 40 assists already. He averages 70 points over 82 in his career. 70 points, as a defenseman. Multi year sample. That’s a lot of points. How many 70 point D are there? He had a great playoff in 22 and was good again in 23. You guys want to shoot him to the moon because he’s not Cale Makar. There aren’t many Cale Makars.

Trading Fox means you have to replace him and the odds are that you’re going to replace him with a much worse player. Why do we want to make the team worse?

He's not immune to criticism and I think it's mostly on the offensive end that he's been off. Particularly in transition. As good as he is inside both zones, I'd say he's more or less average in transition. That's why so much is made of his partner. We're asking Fox to carry Lindgren, who can't move the puck at all, and that's not even one of Fox's strengths.

But then people lie and say he's not good at defense. Why lie?

"He's not built for this tournament! He can't play defense!"

When has he been beaten badly in this tournament? I haven't seen it. I saw Werenski get f***ing cooked by McDavid. I saw Flavin and Saber covering ghosts on both Sweden goals. What has Fox done wrong?

All I see him doing is not playing a lot despite Team USA being pretty good when he plays. I cannot stress to you enough how much I don't care what Mike Sullivan thinks. He has a team with four Hall of Famers on it in 7th place.

 

[Atax]

I’m personally enjoying the hall monitor take on the BERN.

ROUND TWO, FIGHT !

 

[Machinehead]

I’m personally enjoying the hall monitor take on the BERN.

ROUND TWO, FIGHT !

Actually, you know what, let's not do that.

 

[Cmox]

I can wake up from a 10yr coma and automatically know there's a break in Rangers hockey just by reading some of the posts here.

 

[Atax]

Actually, you know what, let's not do that.

Too much Cobra Kai

 

[Boris Zubov]

I am sorry but this is another bad uninformed take from you. Just like the one where you claimed Kreider outperforming Mika in the post season.

Mika was outperforming everyone well before JT arrived and not because he was placed on the RW for 2 games. And what happened when he was replaced on that line with Vesey/Laf/Smith? That line went cold while Mika continued to produce elsewhere.

Once again, sorry but the advanced stats are more accurate than you eye test.

Is there a new category at the NHL awards this year, "Best player since the break"? If not, who actually gives a shit. Even if it were true, which is highly debatable, it's really not all that impressive when you look at how the other forwards on the team have been playing. Sure Mika looks better, but in the grand scheme he's still having a terrible year, massively under performing in relation to his contract & still allergic to contact. It's way too soon for your daily victory laps.

Moving forward, we should all hope he remains serviceable so he can raise his trade value. That's still the best course of action for the team to achieve their long term goals.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Sources: Team USA, Bruins’ Charlie McAvoy is week-to-week after procedure to clear infection

McAvoy was ruled out of Thursday’s 4 Nations Face-Off winner-take-all championship game against Canada.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Vince discussed Fox's limited role on the U.S. team. Dropped from PP1. Hughes isn't even on the team. Fox isn't built for the high intense, physical and fast games where you need to DEFEND. It's fueling the narrative because the narrative is true. Just look at how the ice time is being distributed.



Stop making excuses for Fox. You are looking more foolish than usual. His knee hurts. He got married last summer. He moved to Connecticut. He will train harder this summer. He needs a better defense partner. He still good at pinching to keep plays alive in the offensive zone. His overall game is trending down.

I don't view a knee as an flimsy excuse. Sometimes they take a year or more to recover 100%. I understand that. I have concerns with Fox but if someone mentions the knee we have to be open to it being a real reason. My concerns with Fox are more about hustle, playing the body, giveaways, and all the looking up at the sky. My hope is this offseason he will dedicate himself to getting in great shape.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't view a knee as an flimsy excuse. Sometimes they take a year or more to recover 100%. I understand that. I have concerns with Fox but if someone mentions the knee we have to be open to it being a real reason. My concerns with Fox are more about hustle, playing the body, giveaways, and all the looking up at the sky. My hope is this offseason he will dedicate himself to getting in great shape.

I'm reminded of people bagging on Kreider during the Covid season, either suggesting we get rid of him or that he would be a third liner going forward.

And I was like "guys, he's definitely hurt."

"But he didn't miss any time!"

"He's playing through something. You can tell."

"That's just a conspiracy theory, there's no evidence he's hurt."

This is his very next season:

 

[Boris Zubov]

I'm reminded of people bagging on Kreider during the Covid season, either suggesting we get rid of him or that he would be a third liner going forward.

And I was like "guys, he's definitely hurt."

"But he didn't miss any time!"

"He's playing through something. You can tell."

"That's just a conspiracy theory, there's no evidence he's hurt."

This is his very next season:

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You could probably use that same comparison for Kreider's current season. There's no way he's not dealing with something lingering. I could see him bouncing back next year to a 30 goal, 50 point player.

 

[Siddi]

Is there a new category at the NHL awards this year, "Best player since the break"? If not, who actually gives a shit. Even if it were true, which is highly debatable, it's really not all that impressive when you look at how the other forwards on the team have been playing. Sure Mika looks better, but in the grand scheme he's still having a terrible year, massively under performing in relation to his contract & still allergic to contact. It's way too soon for your daily victory laps.

Moving forward, we should all hope he remains serviceable so he can raise his trade value. That's still the best course of action for the team to achieve their long term goals.

"Since the break" is a valid data point. Jan-apr is 4 months of play. If he continues his trajectory from since the break then he will end the season on a great note. What will your argument be then? Mika bad cause he played shit for 3 months? What about the other 4 months?

I give a shit and I hope majority of my fellow fans who want the team to succeed do to.

You have been on my back telling me it is to soon for my "daily victory laps" for almost 2 months now. When does daily victory laps turn into weekly or even monthly?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm reminded of people bagging on Kreider during the Covid season, either suggesting we get rid of him or that he would be a third liner going forward.

And I was like "guys, he's definitely hurt."

"But he didn't miss any time!"

"He's playing through something. You can tell."

"That's just a conspiracy theory, there's no evidence he's hurt."

This is his very next season:

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Glad we brought up something 5 years old.

Get ready for a 50 goal season from Kreider next year i guess.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm reminded of people bagging on Kreider during the Covid season, either suggesting we get rid of him or that he would be a third liner going forward.

And I was like "guys, he's definitely hurt."

"But he didn't miss any time!"

"He's playing through something. You can tell."

"That's just a conspiracy theory, there's no evidence he's hurt."

This is his very next season:

View attachment 979485

Guys play hurt in the NHL. Some play injured. That is because they are tough and trying to do their jobs. That doesn't mean they can be 100% effective. I think a knee can hamper both speed and training. When most humans have back pain they have trouble getting out of bed. It isn't realistic to think Kreider will be 100% playing through back pain. I give Fox and CK some leeway knowing their injury issues. I still would like to see Fox hustle more and stop the sky looking. I just want CK to get healthy. I think he probably should have sat for 3 weeks to see if treatment and rest could help.

 

[Machinehead]

You could probably use that same comparison for Kreider's current season. There's no way he's not dealing with something lingering. I could see him bouncing back next year to a 30 goal, 50 point player.

I do think he's definitely fighting it this year, but he's also 34 and I acknowledge the fact that he might never not be fighting it at this point. He has a lot of mileage.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Glad we brought up something 5 years old.

Get ready for a 50 goal season from Kreider next year i guess.

Never going to score 50 again but if he was healthy this year I think 30 was possible.