Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[bl02]

Ottawa can easily miss the playoffs. I would bet my money that they will if I had to guess. Brady T’s NMC kicks in July 1. I imagine the Rangers, Flyers & Devils will be his preferred destinations. I want it to work with Laf and believe it will but he’s going the Sens if that deal is on the table

I could be wrong but Ottawa is better than Detroit/NYI/CBJ/Boston. Unless they fall apart health wise like they have the last few weeks (Pinto/Norris/Ullmark). They probably make playoffs.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Laf as a starting piece is reasonable

been pushing for a trade around tkachuk/laf for few weeks

if they’re worried about tkachuk pricing them out/wanting to leave it makes too much sense

it’s basically mini tkachuk for huberdeau

 

[McRanger92]

I could be wrong but Ottawa is better than Detroit/NYI/CBJ/Boston. Unless they fall apart health wise like they have the last few weeks (Pinto/Norris/Ullmark). They probably make playoffs.

Im not betting on the Senators to make the playoffs until they do it.

 

[jay from jersey]

every time. you rant and rant and preach to the choir about bread, kreider, zib, echoing sentiments most posters here have largely acknowledged.

then you go and inexplicably lump K Miller in. what's your issue with him??

KAM has the package( size/speed/talent/etc) but his brain and hockey sense are poor……
He’s supposed to be getting better each season. Top 4 D minutes, a lot of playoff games, and some different players partnered with him for long stretches over the last few seasons. When he is playing well it’s great.
The main glaring issue is he makes the same dumb mistakes he made in his rookie year. Many don’t want to acknowledge it or blame it on Trouba or whoever he was paired with at the time, but it happens over and over in big games at big moments.
I don’t care that he’s not overly physical or a big hitter. That’s not his game. But he does use his size to his advantage when he needs too, so we know he can do it. Even if it’s a small bump, using body position to protect puck, wall off, etc. as stated above, at big moments he is either inept due to poor hockey sense or not processing the game fast enough, it usually costs the team critically.
At this point in his career, those type of instances should be happening less and less and they are not. They are continuing as if they were scheduled.
Last year his attempts to clear the puck from the defensive zone at big moments when clock is a factor and the game is on the line, he screwed us. It was not remedied or addressed and it continued in the playoffs. His blow defensive coverages where he loses the opposing FWD he’s supposed to be cover also keep happening. Again, screwing NyR…..
Now Kam can absolutely keep developing and getting better each season, but we’re at shit or get off the pot time with him.
New contract for high cap hit$$ and long years is looming. I’m in no way comfortable giving that to him. It’s past the point of “he hasn’t been a D-man that long” or bad partner or ingrown toe nail etc”
I don’t trust him to fix or mitigate his lapses any longer. IMO, he it what he is and will always leave you wanting more/better.
Now, he absolutely has value.
My opinion, rangers are better served moving him for assets ( pick/prospects/or a nhl ready player of similar age) then committing to another long term contact with him.
The cap space saved can be added to a known commodity to help shoulder the load with Fox on D…….

PS sorry for the rant lengths all…… sometimes k can’t help myself

 

[cheech70]

KAM has the package( size/speed/talent/etc) but his brain and hockey sense are poor……
He’s supposed to be getting better each season. Top 4 D minutes, a lot of playoff games, and some different players partnered with him for long stretches over the last few seasons. When he is playing well it’s great.
The main glaring issue is he makes the same dumb mistakes he made in his rookie year. Many don’t want to acknowledge it or blame it on Trouba or whoever he was paired with at the time, but it happens over and over in big games at big moments.
I don’t care that he’s not overly physical or a big hitter. That’s not his game. But he does use his size to his advantage when he needs too, so we know he can do it. Even if it’s a small bump, using body position to protect puck, wall off, etc. as stated above, at big moments he is either inept due to poor hockey sense or not processing the game fast enough, it usually costs the team critically.
At this point in his career, those type of instances should be happening less and less and they are not. They are continuing as if they were scheduled.
Last year his attempts to clear the puck from the defensive zone at big moments when clock is a factor and the game is on the line, he screwed us. It was not remedied or addressed and it continued in the playoffs. His blow defensive coverages where he loses the opposing FWD he’s supposed to be cover also keep happening. Again, screwing NyR…..
Now Kam can absolutely keep developing and getting better each season, but we’re at shit or get off the pot time with him.
New contract for high cap hit$$ and long years is looming. I’m in no way comfortable giving that to him. It’s past the point of “he hasn’t been a D-man that long” or bad partner or ingrown toe nail etc”
I don’t trust him to fix or mitigate his lapses any longer. IMO, he it what he is and will always leave you wanting more/better.
Now, he absolutely has value.
My opinion, rangers are better served moving him for assets ( pick/prospects/or a nhl ready player of similar age) then committing to another long term contact with him.
The cap space saved can be added to a known commodity to help shoulder the load with Fox on D…….

PS sorry for the rant lengths all…… sometimes k can’t help myself

Craig MacTavish for Kam

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Forever Blueshirts. Jim Cerny with Dave Maloney:

 

[n8]

been pushing for a trade around tkachuk/laf for few weeks

if they’re worried about tkachuk pricing them out/wanting to leave it makes too much sense

it’s basically mini tkachuk for huberdeau

Remind me when Laf's last 100 point season was?
I can see it but the comparison seems super off.
Maybe Jeremy Roenick would be closer? I guess finding the perfect example isn't important. I get your point! Sorry for the snark

 

[TominNC]

Seriously Bern? Zibanejad and Kreider did not play on the same line for over a month. Your statement that poor Kreider is being forced to play just to get Mika going is lunacy.

This is ridiculous. I am done.

It would be even better if people didn’t repeat his blathering for those who use the ignore function

 

[TominNC]

I'm assuming Mika won't be here after this summer. If he is, I'm honestly not sure this team is serious about winning a cup.

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to start infusing speed up & down the lineup, however.

Mika’s here if he wants to be here. It’s going to be very hard to move his NMC

 

[jay from jersey]

Should have happened a few years ago but we should be focused on developing the players we have instead of going out looking for older versions of them. The rebuild really didn't take at all really, we're still relying on players from other teams instead of making cheap stars ourselves. Said it when it happened that the rebuild was a waste the day Gorton got canned. Laf, Kakko, Schneider, Robertson, Chytil, should be the basis for a good team, they totally dropped that idea as soon as Drury was hired.

I mean, chytil developed thru the system. He’s just got a ginger ale skull. Cuylle came up thru the ranks too.
The main issue I have is deployment and usage…..
if you have a young talented kid that you just drafted, you have to play him in big minutes and special teams situations.
If you don’t, there’s just a myriad of things that can go wrong to hinder/stall their development and kill their confidence in themselves.
I get the argument that coaches want to win, and put the best player out there at the time usually a vet, but there are examples all over the league of teams that still win and are competitive while they’re young high end talent continues to develop…..
I’m not saying draft a guy and throw him out there automatically in top 6/all situations but if player is nhl ready with top 6 high end talent, he needs top 6 nhl minutes/pp time. You live with the rocky road/warts/learning curve for a year or year and a half but it has to happen.
It’s harder to win and be a top 5-8 team in the league in that model, but not impossible….
The kid line situation for more than 1 season sucked. It’s just not good business…..
Kakko should have been top 6 I. Line up 1.5-2 years after being drafted. Full stop. Laffy same. Both getting ample PP time.
You flank them both with capable vets to insulate them a bit.
You don’t just leave them on 3rd line forever getting 3rd line minutes and no significant pp opportunities.
They need game situations and big minutes to acclimate to the league. In any job, you learn and get better by doing it and getting experience…..
Even when 3rd line (kid line) was our best line on nights, their increase In playing time was minimal if at all, and still no 1PP opportunities.
That can’t happen…….
Go back, Quinn and his use of fast/blackwell was dumb. Gallant usage of kids not too good at all.
I thought we might have turned a corner when Lavi put Laf in top 6 and left him alone.
He played well and rose to the occasion. But it had some rocky times too.
My main beef with usage and deployment with NYR coaches is the time. They are on bench. 1st and 2nd lines aren’t always going to be hot every night( Laf/tro/bread year not withstanding)
After 15-20 min, you have a feel of what line has it and is clicking and what line doesn’t in any given night.
Yet logic goes out the window and the line playing well isn’t given an increase in time…
It’s baffling. It’s almost that they don’t want to have 3 lines that can play and score. It’s too much for the head coach to handle.
1st line gets their min
2nd gets theirs and 3rd gets 3rd line min no matter what.
Kakko was shoehorned their on 3rd line. He wanted to be traded for a while. He saw no opportunity to advance his career here offensively and was stuck there……
It’s stifling young talent and it needs to be fixed.
When Perrault comes up, if he’s on3rd line for more then a year or so adjustment period I’m going to lose my shit.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I would bank that they're not allowed to have a formal practice with the coaching staff. (Unless you meant behind the scenes, like trades and roster management)

I meant individually, get on a bike, hit the boxing ring, run on a beach, anything, just be better coming back.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Remind me when Laf's last 100 point season was?
I can see it but the comparison seems super off.
Maybe Jeremy Roenick would be closer? I guess finding the perfect example isn't important. I get your point! Sorry for the snark

well i said mini for a reason neither laf/brady are as good as their counterparts in this scenario lol

i just think the structure would be similar, like brady for laf/secondary roster player/1st

 

[NYR Viper]

KAM is always going to be a high event player. That’s his game. He should be attacking the puck carrier and that means that, at times, he’s going to get beat. He’s not a guy who sits in front of the net but gets caved on possession. That means that his errors are going to look egregious comparatively.

If he’s signed at anything for under $6m that’s going to be a really good deal for a solid, if not VERY good 2nd pairing LD in his prime years. Give him term. 7-8 years. $5.8m per season.

 

[GAGLine]

KAM is always going to be a high event player. That’s his game. He should be attacking the puck carrier and that means that, at times, he’s going to get beat. He’s not a guy who sits in front of the net but gets caved on possession. That means that his errors are going to look egregious comparatively.

If he’s signed at anything for under $6m that’s going to be a really good deal for a solid, if not VERY good 2nd pairing LD in his prime years. Give him term. 7-8 years. $5.8m per season.

I'd be okay with that if there were more high events in the other direction. He's not nearly as impactful on the offensive side as he needs to be if he's going to be suspect defensively.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd be okay with that if there were more high events in the other direction. He's not nearly as impactful on the offensive side as he needs to be if he's going to be suspect defensively.

He moves the puck in the right direction, even if he’s only scoring 25-30 points a year. Her breaks up and kills plays with regularity

 

[McRanger92]

KAM is always going to be a high event player. That’s his game. He should be attacking the puck carrier and that means that, at times, he’s going to get beat. He’s not a guy who sits in front of the net but gets caved on possession. That means that his errors are going to look egregious comparatively.

If he’s signed at anything for under $6m that’s going to be a really good deal for a solid, if not VERY good 2nd pairing LD in his prime years. Give him term. 7-8 years. $5.8m per season.

His game has bounced back with Borgen. His floor is a top 4 D. No brainer to extend him unless blown away in a trade

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Ooo the thoughts of a Tkachuk - Miller - Othmann line

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm not too crazy about moving Laf but at least Tkachuk is young.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I would do Laf for Brady all day long.

Rangers would be a pain in the ass to play against.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I love Laf and think he’ll snap out of this but Laf for Brady Tkachuk is a no brainer.