Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[McRanger92]

I don't disagree, but I think for this season, considering the lack of assets the organization now has, I'd remain patient.

Guys who I would be looking at if they can trade Lindgren:
Maata
Martinez
Ferraro
Lauzon
Gustafsson
Cole

None of these guys are top-pairing but they would all be improvements on Lindgren.

An ideal scenario would be if Nashville was interested in cutting future cap by trading Lauzon and Novak though. Kill two birds with one stone.

Mario Ferraro is an interesting one. Still young, pretty physical. Obviously playing WAY too many minutes.

If the cost is too high on any of these guys I'd still consider trading Lindgren and just paying a 4th or 5th for Martinez or Cole and then circling the wagons in the off-season

Lauzon is interesting. Tough, physical. Appears on many of the fastest defenseman lists Borgen shows up on. Rangers have long been rumored to be interested. That's a pretty good list of players. I agree that they wont cost much and subsequently wont cost much to be re-signed this summer.

 

[lakeshirts37]

My math has them at around at $3M to work with next year and that's without getting a LHD to replace Lindgren. @lakeshirts37 also came up with something similar. They should be fine as long as they can move another vet contract, but they've put themselves in the position where it pretty much has to happen.

And that was also with Brodzinski as 3C, so the situation is even worse. The below lineup/re-signings leaves NYR with $4,169,643 to find a 3C, 1LD, and backup goalie. It's not even a question. Drury absolutely has to move 93 and 20 without retention or else they are positively f***ed.

EDIT: I totally hate the KAM contract. I'd see what we could fetch in a trade.

10 - 8 - 93
50 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Ck should not be playing, should be on LTIR
howev, he deserves positive for at least trying to contribute while injured
given Drury is too stupid to let him heal and call up Berard/Oth, just so we can cater to zib and hope to get him going

NO way NONE
lindy gets a 1st



strong general agree, but disagree on Brodz being chopped liver
as is the case 99% of the time, chemistry is a factor
he worked fine w/kid line before we stupidly destroyed it by shipping out both KK and Chytil when other assets could have been used to deliver our get

Do you even watch the games? Zib isn't playing with Kreider and he's performing better. Meanwhile Kreider is still playing like shit.

 

[JimmyG89]

I don't disagree, but I think for this season, considering the lack of assets the organization now has, I'd remain patient.

Guys who I would be looking at if they can trade Lindgren:
Maata
Martinez
Ferraro
Lauzon
Gustafsson
Cole

None of these guys are top-pairing but they would all be improvements on Lindgren.

An ideal scenario would be if Nashville was interested in cutting future cap by trading Lauzon and Novak though. Kill two birds with one stone.

Mario Ferraro is an interesting one. Still young, pretty physical. Obviously playing WAY too many minutes.

If the cost is too high on any of these guys I'd still consider trading Lindgren and just paying a 4th or 5th for Martinez or Cole and then circling the wagons in the off-season

I do not mind many of the players listed, but Ferraro is Silicon Valley Lindgren. I'd rather not replace Lindgren with himself.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Don't think we'll be struggling with cap at all. We have to re-sign Cuylle, Miller (if we don't shop him but with how we look on LD I doubt it), Edstrom, Rempe, and potentially Vaak (who again I think we sign given our LD situation). That's, probably, about 10M. We should have around 6.5M in cap space after all that, and that's WITHOUT trading anyone. We would need a backup goalie and another LD. Ideally Garand can be the backup for cheap. Kreider will likely be moved, and I doubt we'll need to take back salary. Value of the return pending, but that's 6.5M off the books. I don't think it'll be impossible to move Mika if he has a strong end to the season production wise. Very unlikely we'll get a team to take him without salary coming back, but could probably move him for a contract in the 4-5M range. And if we REALLY want to open up space and be aggressive in UFA, we can move Panarin. Unlikely, but certainly an option.

With the timing of the cap increase(s) we're actually in a pretty good position. Our bad contracts should be more movable and we have extra room to play around with.

Your contract estimates are way off. Just Cuylle and Miller will likely be $10M. The below is prior to moving 20 or 93 and leaves $4.1m to fill 3C, 1LD, and a backup. So yes there will be cap issues but they can be solved by getting rid of the BFFs.

10 - 8 - 93
50 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

 

[lakeshirts37]

And that was also with Brodzinski as 3C, so the situation is even worse. The below lineup/re-signings leaves NYR with $4,169,643 to find a 3C, 1LD, and backup goalie. It's not even a question. Drury absolutely has to move 93 and 20 without retention or else they are positively f***ed.

EDIT: I totally hate the KAM contract. I'd see what we could fetch in a trade.

10 - 8 - 93
50 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

If they trade 93 I assume they'll need to take someone back who is not on a great contract either. Let's assume it's 5m headed back and thats our new 3RW. Full cap for 20 will be removed. Sign a backup for 1m, and a UFA dman for 7.5m to pair with Fox. Othmann is new 3LW. This leaves $4,806,309 for a 3C and a couple depth pieces. Tight but doable. Much improved team but probably not contenders still.

10 - 8 - 13
50 - 16 - Perreault
Othmann - 3C - TRADE (5m)
84 - 39 - 73

UFA (7.5m) - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
UFA (1m)

 

[noncents]

Your contract estimates are way off. Just Cuylle and Miller will likely be $10M. The below is prior to moving 20 or 93 and leaves $4.1m to fill 3C, 1LD, and a backup. So yes there will be cap issues but they can be solved by getting rid of the BFFs.

10 - 8 - 93
55 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

lindgren at LW eh? novel

 

[McRanger92]

If they trade 93 I assume they'll need to take someone back who is not on a great contract either. Let's assume it's 5m headed back and thats our new 3RW. Full cap for 20 will be removed. Sign a backup for 1m, and a UFA dman for 7.5m to pair with Fox. Othmann is new 3LW. This leaves $4,806,309 for a 3C and a couple depth pieces. Tight but doable. Much improved team but probably not contenders still.

10 - 8 - 13
55 - 16 - Perreault
Othmann - 3C - TRADE (5m)
84 - 39 - 73

UFA (7.5m) - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
UFA (1m)

I wouldnt bet on Drury earmarking 7.5 million to a new LHD. You can find a suitable partner for Fox for much less than that.

 

[Levitate]

I wouldnt bet on Drury earmarking 7.5 million to a new LHD. You can find a suitable partner for Fox for much less than that.

yeah Lindgren only makes like what $4.5?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Reilly Smith and Ryan Lindgren to Colorado. I believe Avs GM Chris MacFarland is a Lindgren fan. He said Lindgren is a throwback to the old NHL. The Rangers were in Colorado last season. CMac visited Sam and Joe in the booth between periods. He knows Sam very well because he is from NY. Pace University. Sam said it was nice chatting with the Avs GM and Sam mentioned the Lindgren mention. Last week, Sam and Joe mentioned talking to MacFarland about the Rantanen trade.

Lindgren would be an upgrade over Middleton who is the Avs 3rd pair D. That guy can barely skate and Smith gives the Avs more depth upfront. The Rangers retain 50% on each player. $4.125M. Colorado would be a better team with both players. Maybe they keep them in the summer.

The Avs have some long term IR money remaining.

Avs first round pick in 2026 and the Rangers second round pick in 2025.

That would be getting back the second for Nemeth

 

[McRanger92]

yeah Lindgren only makes like what $4.5?

Yup. Funny people say the Borgen contract is bad when he is a better player and signed for less for the next 5 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

I do not mind many of the players listed, but Ferraro is Silicon Valley Lindgren. I'd rather not replace Lindgren with himself.

Fair enough, I only seldom see him play

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[McRanger92]

Good work by drury. mancini was a fast riser but he was a 6th rounder RHD. We have Fox-Borgen-schneider locked up and Emery cooking in the minors. traded from a position of strength. Fortescue has top 4 LHD upside.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Your contract estimates are way off. Just Cuylle and Miller will likely be $10M. The below is prior to moving 20 or 93 and leaves $4.1m to fill 3C, 1LD, and a backup. So yes there will be cap issues but they can be solved by getting rid of the BFFs.

10 - 8 - 93
55 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

just don’t know if we commit to Miller long term. i could see a 1 year deal. He's been way too inconsistent to give a 5 year 6M per contract IMO. I think we could shop him too

 

[McRanger92]

just don’t know if we commit to Miller long term. i could see a 1 year deal. He's been way too inconsistent to give a 5 year 6M per contract IMO. I think we could shop him too

Id be comfortable paying K'Andre in the 5-6 range on a long term deal, around what we paid Skjeionce upon a time.. The early returns on his play with Borgen are great. I think he's a guy who JT Miller's leadership style will positively influence. We also have nothing on the left side.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I’m honestly at the point where I’d try Vaak there

Id try both Schneider and Vaak for a handful of shifts and just see how it looks as tests. Don't need to jump all in at once.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

K'Andre Miller is a player that if we trade we'll be talking about years from now how we f***ed that up. Trouba and Lindgren poisoned good young defensemen enough that impatient and angry Rangers fans want to get rid of them.

 

[17futurecap]

I wonder why those Hartford forwards were healthy scratched that one night the deal broke down.

 

[McRanger92]

K'Andre Miller is a player that if we trade we'll be talking about years from now how we f***ed that up. Trouba and Lindgren poisoned good young defensemen enough that impatient and angry Rangers fans want to get rid of them.

Miller's gaffes tend to be Hiroshima-esque, but he at least is a very good player when he isn't f***ing up. He's been much better since Borgen replaced Trouba. KAM's production is way down but who's isnt this season?

I wonder why those Hartford forwards were healthy scratched that one night the deal broke down.

I believe they were coming off an embarrassing loss and there was some speculated message sending to Chmelar and Sykora. Groulx scratch made sense due to Chytil.

 

[lakeshirts37]

lindgren at LW eh? novel

oh god - lindgren has ruined my brain

just don’t know if we commit to Miller long term. i could see a 1 year deal. He's been way too inconsistent to give a 5 year 6M per contract IMO. I think we could shop him too

dont disagree

 

[GAGLine]

Your contract estimates are way off. Just Cuylle and Miller will likely be $10M. The below is prior to moving 20 or 93 and leaves $4.1m to fill 3C, 1LD, and a backup. So yes there will be cap issues but they can be solved by getting rid of the BFFs.

10 - 8 - 93
55 - 16 - 13
20 - 3C - Perreault
84 - 39 - 73

1LD - 23
79 - 17
18 - 4

31
BACKUP

Cuylle @ 4m
Perreault @ 975k (didnt't account for bonuses)
Edstrom @ 1.1m
Rempe @ 950k
Miller @ 6.0m
Vaak @ 1.5m

Schneider will be the 1LD most likely. I don't think they signed Borgen to be 3RD, or to relegate Schneider to 3RD.

Miller may not get that much. His offensive numbers have tanked the last 2 years. A lot will depend on how many years he signs for. A 1-year deal is possible, but unlikely. More likely is 3 to 4 years. He just turned 25. He's going to want to be a free agent when he's 28/29. That will help keep the term down a bit.

Cuylle was projecting to get a significant raise, but his production has fallen off. There's a good chance Drury gives him a 2-year deal for around 3 mil per.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Lindgren f***ing stinks, I don’t care who replaces him at this point just get him out of here

Getting rid of him is addition by subtraction

feel the same way about Kreider. Even if he bounces back

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Miller's gaffes tend to be Hiroshima-esque, but he at least is a very good player when he isn't f***ing up. He's been much better since Borgen replaced Trouba. KAM's production is way down but who's isnt this season?



I believe they were coming off an embarrassing loss and there was some speculated message sending to Chmelar and Sykora. Groulx scratch made sense due to Chytil.

@ThePeoplesPeople is undefeated

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah it’s a very bad situation. They’ll have $3-4m to spend with a gaping hole at 1LD. There is no way to materially improve the roster without moving Kreider and Mika. Drury needs to do whatever necessary to get them off the cap without retention.

no, b'c whatev necessary, if taken literally, = desperation
instant gratification relief leads to mo/bigger probs down the road

bite the bullet on zib, eat moving him for cheap
hold on Kreider while he heals

Kreider is going to get threatened with waivers this summer if the rangers find a trade & he refuses to go. Not sure why people think that's an outlandish scenario considering it's already happened twice this year. His money will come off the books the easy way or the hard way.

IF Rs stupidly do not listen to me, and CK is healthy and rebounds, they will properly look like idiot jackasses

so no, that is not likely to happen

and IF worst case scenario he is not just cooked but debilitated, I expect him to do a Lou Gehrig and retire for the good of the team and his name

provided of course the morons wrongfully calling for his persecution give it up

move kreider and sign a ufa D. don't care if it's an overpay. just get the guy

NO
care
stop w/instant gratification leading to probs around the corner

Reilly Smith and Ryan Lindgren to Colorado. I believe Avs GM Chris MacFarland is a Lindgren fan. He said Lindgren is a throwback to the old NHL. The Rangers were in Colorado last season. CMac visited Sam and Joe in the booth between periods. He knows Sam very well because he is from NY. Pace University. Sam said it was nice chatting with the Avs GM and Sam mentioned the Lindgren mention. Last week, Sam and Joe mentioned talking to MacFarland about the Rantanen trade.

Lindgren would be an upgrade over Middleton who is the Avs 3rd pair D. That guy can barely skate and Smith gives the Avs more depth upfront. The Rangers retain 50% on each player. $4.125M. Colorado would be a better team with both players. Maybe they keep them in the summer.

The Avs have some long term IR money remaining.

Avs first round pick in 2026 and the Rangers second round pick in 2025.

Excellent, more than could reasonably be hoped for
take the most we can get, of course, but if nec return our 2nd and take a 3rd or so

Lindgren could be an easy fix if they just relegate him to 3LD and put Schneider or Miller with Fox. But since Lav is so braindead they need to save him from himself and get Lindgren off the team completely

there is a disconnect between
1. just relegate him
and
2. get him off the team completely

just sell him to highest bidder
showcase Jones/Bran/Robertson

Do you even watch the games? Zib isn't playing with Kreider and he's performing better. Meanwhile Kreider is still playing like shit.

some shifts they are together, some not

I believe the announcer called out Kreider did grunt work to enable goal