Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[ReddestRum]

Agree, and that's why I think it's time to move on.

I haven't been surprised by Kakko's renaissance in Seattle. Many of Kakko's points with Seattle have come all 5 guys on the ice being in position defensively, someone forcing a turnover, then countering with numbers and speed into the O-zone. Defense leads to offense.

The entire Rangers group of forwards, maybe except for the 4th line, chooses to play Panarin hockey. Rather than forcing turnovers and going north quickly, then decisively driving to the net, they choose to slow the game down in attempt to set up the perfect play. They are guilty of making too many high-risk plays in the dangers areas (coming out of our D-zone, neutral zone, at the top of the O-zone) that lead to turnovers in bad spots. Teammates can't recover in time. Nobody knows who to cover. Selfish and lazy offense leads to poor defense. Panarin is king of the FancyBoyzzz and this mindset festers throughout the lineup. We don't even shoot the damn puck on breakaways anymore.

Lafreniere will break out elsewhere for these same reasons if we ever trade him, as I think we're all well aware by now.

Every time I see this clip I just can't believe shit like this is happening. Rather than play north-south, simple hockey, they like to try this fancy shit for no reason. It's infuriating. Igor was magical in the 2nd period, and one goal for us changes the tone of the game. A play like this when you're down, with the season you're having, and because the play came back and resulted in a goal against, should get you benched for the rest of the game.

 

[TominNC]

I do not think of Trouba as being the kind of PP pointman with a booming accurate shot I was referring to in my post. I'm talking about guys like Chara, Pronger, Al Macinnis, Ray Bourque, Doug Wilson, Shea Webber, etc. I think the difference in their shooting ability is significant.

All guys from bygone days.. The game has changed. With goalies filling the nets the point bomb is considered a bad play. It's gone the way of the designated goon and bench clearing brawls.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I just read that "if the Avs are going to trade for JT Miller Casey Mittlestadt would be traded". Is there smoke in regards to the Avs and JT Miller?

 

[will1066]

brodzinsky in for kaliyev is dumbass because your exchanging a defense first guy for a scorer on a team thats having trouble scoring. if laviolette would play kaliyev on the power play he would produce but for some reason he stays with what isnt working. also kaliyev can sit in the netfront to give krieder 's sore back a break. but i guess we gotta continue with the sunk salary costs of the dynamic duo. i think its obvious to even a casual observer that mika has lost interest since last yrs eastern conference final and krieder is is beat up beyond recognition. time for change.

Speculation: Post in thread 'Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)'

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[GoAwayPanarin]

He hasn’t shown a whole lot, to be fair.

No he hasn't, but this isn't going to move the needle in any meaningful way both in this game or long term.

This is the perfect opportunity to scratch a trusty vet who has been pretty much untouchable his entire NYR tenure. Maybe you lose the game, but that would catch the attention of the team way more than removing a waiver pickup and replacing him with a 13th forward. Hell it may even motivate said player to stop playing like a moron.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Every time I see this clip I just can't believe shit like this is happening. Rather than play north-south, simple hockey, they like to try this fancy shit for no reason. It's infuriating. Igor was magical in the 2nd period, and one goal for us changes the tone of the game. A play like this when you're down, with the season you're having, and because the play came back and resulted in a goal against, should get you benched for the rest of the game.

I don't think players' opinions are necessarily the word of God. But considering most players at least publically have a blue collar bias, especially a guy like Brian Boyle whose game was 100% blue collar, I tend to listen when they favor skill. Boyle actually defended the play and said it was a high IQ play because he was getting nothing if he didn't try to pass. I was as pissed as anyone but Boyle saying that, especially considering his role in NHL should carry some weight.

 

[JimmyG89]

We should be trading Panarin because he isn't going to be getting any better moving forward. He had his best seasons already and the Rangers had success during those times. If I had faith the 2025-26 Rangers would be contenders, I'd say keep him, but this isn't going to get fixed in 9 months time.

His influence on our other players is not entirely his fault. The coaching staff should be able to get across to players that the skill he is displaying and his playstyle cannot be mimicked by just about anyone. If players want to take aspects of his game and add it to their bag, that's fine, but there are very few that can make the plays he has and continues to make.

Look at what Rantanen returned as a UFA with retained salary. Yes, his NMC would bring down some of the value since he can dictate where he ends up, but you'd be able to get something very similar if not more because of the additional season and what would be a reduced rate for a top line player.

 

[TGWL]

I just read that "if the Avs are going to trade for JT Miller Casey Mittlestadt would be traded". Is there smoke in regards to the Avs and JT Miller?

The smoke is they want out of that Middlestadt signing because he's been bad this season for them. Replacing will Miller makes more sense because the cap difference won't be too bad. They aren't offering a great player for Miller here (though he can bounce back), they're offering somebody they want to remove from the team, especially the contract.

 

[Guyute]

Guys on Tampa were pissed that they didn't bring back Stamkos. Guess they probably haven't played a lick of defense all year either. Oh, wait.

 

[haohmaru]

No he hasn't, but this isn't going to move the needle in any meaningful way both in this game or long term.

This is the perfect opportunity to scratch a trusty vet who has been pretty much untouchable his entire NYR tenure. Maybe you lose the game, but that would catch the attention of the team way more than removing a waiver pickup and replacing him with a 13th forward. Hell it may even motivate said player to stop playing like a moron.

I’d scratch Kreider again, personally, but that didn’t seem to impact much of anything.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Guys on Tampa were pissed that they didn't bring back Stamkos. Guess they probably haven't played a lick of defense all year either. Oh, wait.

My guess is "locker room issues" is just an easy scapegoat that everyone likes to point to. Also for a 10 game stretch the Rangers did go back to playing defense. Even in the last two games it was mostly a few breakdowns. Colorado has high end talent but they had like 20 shots on goal. Carolina was just a few breakdowns. I didn't see the third so maybe they reverted back to form. But for the most part they played even and decent defense in the first two periods.

 

[TGWL]

Guys on Tampa were pissed that they didn't bring back Stamkos. Guess they probably haven't played a lick of defense all year either. Oh, wait.

I mean we do have more regulation wins than Tampa.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Guys on Tampa were pissed that they didn't bring back Stamkos. Guess they probably haven't played a lick of defense all year either. Oh, wait.

what is up w this season? this is like, the 4th locker room drama I’ve seen. i’m used to nhl players being completely bland and milquetoast, when did they turn into NBA players?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

My guess is "locker room issues" is just an easy scapegoat that everyone likes to point to. Also for a 10 game stretch the Rangers did go back to playing defense. Even in the last two games it was mostly a few breakdowns. Colorado has high end talent but they had like 20 shots on goal. Carolina was just a few breakdowns. I didn't see the third so maybe they reverted back to form. But for the most part they played even and decent defense in the first two period.

They played well the last two games, outside of the 3rd against Carolina. People always bitch when they win a game "they should lose." Well, they just lost two games they should have won. It happens and it usually evens out over the course of a season. The problem is, they were so awful for a month and a half, two months, that every game is now an indictment on this team. A normal season and these last two games are frustrating but not the end of the world. Not this year. They had a pretty good January, even with these two losses.

 

[TGWL]

what is up w this season? this is like, the 4th locker room drama I’ve seen. i’m used to nhl players being completely bland and milquetoast, when did they turn into NBA players?

In 2030, when the cap is 120M and these ELC expiring deals are signed for 8 years, we're going to have super teams with players wanting out, blocking trades and requesting specific teams.

 

[SA16]

My guess is "locker room issues" is just an easy scapegoat that everyone likes to point to. Also for a 10 game stretch the Rangers did go back to playing defense. Even in the last two games it was mostly a few breakdowns. Colorado has high end talent but they had like 20 shots on goal. Carolina was just a few breakdowns. I didn't see the third so maybe they reverted back to form. But for the most part they played even and decent defense in the first two period.

That's because those ten games were right after the holiday season. The players were too busy thinking about Christmas and the New Year to bother moping about Trouba/Goodrow. Now that that's past us, they've fallen back into thinking about how Drury treated them.

 

[n8]

still have no idea why Berard stopped playing. We're not even using Kalyiev on the PP where his shot would actually benefit the team.

Makes absolutely no sense. All these decisions.... just no faith in this coaching staff

I get sending him down to 1) work on his defensive game and 2) not poison him with melancholy loser culture that was infecting the team during his time up

First two games back from NY and BB was -5
Sorted that shit out and improving on the stat sheet although the team is like on a four game losing streak.

 

[JimmyG89]

what is up w this season? this is like, the 4th locker room drama I’ve seen. i’m used to nhl players being completely bland and milquetoast, when did they turn into NBA players?

The flat cap has resulted in very little movement between teams, especially at the high end levels of rosters. When you have had ~4-5 years of the top guys on you team being the same and little or no change, I'm sure everyone is comfortable with those around them. When the reality of these teams is that they've become stale.

 

[Machinehead]

what is up w this season? this is like, the 4th locker room drama I’ve seen. i’m used to nhl players being completely bland and milquetoast, when did they turn into NBA players?

It was probably always like this. Media surrounding the NBA is super toxic. Now that the NHL is also moving into this bullshit podcast culture, the same thing is coming to the forefront.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They played well the last two games, outside of the 3rd against Carolina. People always bitch when they win a game "they should lose." Well, they just lost two games they should have won. It happens and it usually evens out over the course of a season. The problem is, they were so awful for a month and a half, two months, that every game is now an indictment on this team. A normal season and these last two games are frustrating but not the end of the world. Not this year. They had a pretty good January, even with these two losses.

Well last year the games were an indictment on the team too.

 

[bl02]

Kaliyev out of the lineup already. CK still in and the pp stays exactly the same.
Awesome lol

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well last year the games were an indictment on the team too.

Very true.

 

[will1066]

 

[SA16]

Kaliyev out of the lineup already. CK still in and the pp stays exactly the same.
Awesome lol

What do you mean "already"? Playing 10 consecutive games is surely way above average for a waiver wire pickup.

 

[UnparalledPark]

And this is what we get, and deserve for asking this guy, a thoroughbred, to do the nasty grunt work in front of the net 111% of the time, and constantly get beat up, and not have anyone else pitch in on this.

Not CK's fault he now has to deal w/back issues

Rs posture in this scenario is DISGRACEFUL

You mean country club, cancer, cryder. Yup, just use him up and throw him out. Next! LOL