Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[KirkAlbuquerque]

LOL

Drury asleep at the wheel again

 

[SA16]

Wonder if Drury would consider claiming him to block the Islanders from getting him. Plus, it would give them extra depth and possibly help with trading Jones.

 

[JohnC]

LOL

I actually laughed out loud at this one. I’m sure Lou will love his by-the-books demeanor and attention to detail on defense.

 

[Cmox]

LOL

Man, Management really took it to heart when Barzal blamed them for empty seats.

 

[bhamill]

Basically what he is saying is that it makes sense to trade Schneider for a left handed Schneider. Just because he played LD for 4 games doesn’t mean he can play it consistently for a SC contender over the course of a season. In fact if I remember correctly, he was benched for 2 periods during his LD stint, though I’m not sure about that part.

As I said it depends on the return. Just because Schneider was benched for two whole periods during his LD stint, if that’s the case, doesn’t mean he can’t play it just fine if given the time to acclimate.
My point was you don’t trade a Schneider just to trade him. “Schneiders” dont grow on trees. Good luck getting someone to part with a 23 year old as good as him, as versatile, etc.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah if they keep Borgen then it makes sense to use Schneider or Mancini to upgrade at LD or another position. Probably easier to make a move like that in the summer, but if they could get a top 4 LD now to pair with Fox long term they should do it.

I like Schneider, but if Miller-Borgen can be a reliable second pair, then it probably makes sense to trade Schneider while his value is still high, rather than when he’s looked at as a bottom pairing D. To your point, try to trade him in a package for a slightly better LD given position value. Resign Borgen and Miller and have a D going forward of:

LD upgrade-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaas-Mancini

We can just sign that upgrade and keep Schneider though

 

[Kocur Dill]

This is bullshit. D is clearly better. Though yesterday was not an example of it. Goaltending is also better but it's not all goaltending. Rangers fans literally can never be happy. Need to be f***ing miserable all of the f***ing time.

Y u heff to be mad?
Is only game.

 

[Alluckks]

Vancouver putting out there to their media now that JT Miller wants a trade. No way that is Miller's camp. There were reports recently that Miller had asked them to not let this linger and he is good with moving on, but was fine putting on a front to the media (as in not putting anything out there at all and letting Vancouver front office do their thing).

Vancouver reeks of desperation.

They don't want to retain, and they don't want to risk decreased ticket sales.

 

[McRanger92]

Vancouver putting out there to their media now that JT Miller wants a trade. No way that is Miller's camp. There were reports recently that Miller had asked them to not let this linger and he is good with moving on, but was fine putting on a front to the media (as in not putting anything out there at all and letting Vancouver front office do their thing).

Vancouver reeks of desperation.

They don't want to retain, and they don't want to risk decreased ticket sales.

The Canucks ownership/management is what our fans think the Rangers are. Completely inept to the point that they can't give away either of their top 2 Cs. meanwhile Drury traded one of the the worst D contracts in the league with 0 retention for a better defenseman with team control and a draft pick.

 

[bernmeister]

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

sanderson: not saying we should try for him; they willl not consider even reasonable overpay.
I only said he is the ideal partner for Fox
IF sens make good enuf top $ offer, take it.

lmao

laugh all you want
if too much to turn down 99% of the time smart move is to take it

JT 50% retained for Chytil and a 3rd. Get it done drury.

NO
1) van wants/will get more.
2) we don't need to deal Chytil or 1st or prob any picks
can do Smith + Lindgren to equalize cap
can do Sykora, keeps other better assets
can/should expand deal further as I've suggested

I’m at the point where if we do trade for Miller, might as well do it for futures rather than trade a big part of your team in Chytil. Trade the first+Othmann or whatever. Then you can trade Kreider and Zibanejad closer to the deadline or in the offseason. I’m still not in love with trading for him but if they are going to do it I’d rather them do that.

"Trade the first+Othmann or whatever."
NO, this kind of impulse/desperation move is how we get in trouble.
Pls note above answers

The more digging I have done in to Miller the player and the way his contract would fit in, along with the cap projections moving forward, I have kind of turned the corner on his fit here. At first glance, I thought $8m was too steep for him but as I really thought forward I think it may actually be a decent deal.

Also as I looked around at other players who have hovered around his type of point totals at this stage in their careers, especially when they have done so for multiple years in a row, they tend to age more gracefully than I was giving them credit for. People compare him to Zibanejad but Mika clearly is having concerns with engaging in battles. Miller doesn't have the same concern. I could see him generally aging like Kopitar or Benn. Both very effective players still

And hence, despite some improvement returning to the land or the living, we need to dump him asap

I would not move Chytil in the JT deal unless the team is 100% convinced his health issues are going to reach a bad conclusion in the future. I may be crazy but I think Mika plus two picks (not a 1st) is a fair offer if JT says Rangers.

Mika does not want van
also if he would waive, then just give him away 50% retained for small change

I don't think Vancouver wants Mika
I dunno about the Rangers but I'm convinced Chytil's health issues are not behind him. even if he doesn't have another "misses and entire season" I think he's always gonna get hurt and miss a chunk and then take weeks to get back to playing at the level he was at before injury.

we are too thin to move Chytil for jtm unless no other options, and imo there are

id be way on-board if it was Othmann, Lindgren and a 1st or something. i really want to hold onto Chytil. i think Chytil and Miller would actually be good together on a line.

no need to overpay

deal 1:
Smith + Lindgren + Kaliyev + Sykora
for
jtm

deal 2
mindful Borgen is ufa after this season, do a Aroldis Chapman for Gleyber Torres move

Vaak + Borgen + Vesey
for
Forbot + Juulsen + Desharnais AND 1ST

Drury asleep at the wheel again

not at all do not want d'angelo

Vancouver putting out there to their media now that JT Miller wants a trade. No way that is Miller's camp. There were reports recently that Miller had asked them to not let this linger and he is good with moving on, but was fine putting on a front to the media (as in not putting anything out there at all and letting Vancouver front office do their thing).

Vancouver reeks of desperation.

They don't want to retain, and they don't want to risk decreased ticket sales.

they should deal EP + for /Dobson +
that might diffuse the jtm situation
and if not, they can continue

 

[Guyute]

Vancouver needs to suck it up and move Miller. The team is stuck in limbo and won't play better until after the trade happens. It feels similar to the Rangers with Trouba and Kakko. Too much noise and negativity hurts the vibe in the room.

 

[McRanger92]

Vancouver needs to suck it up and move Miller. The team is stuck in limbo and won't play better until after the trade happens. It feels similar to the Rangers with Trouba and Kakko. Too much noise and negativity hurts the vibe in the room.

JT for Urho Vaakanainen and a 4th. hate to give up vaak but you have to give to get.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Mika does not want van
also if he would waive, then just give him away 50% retained for small chang

I see this Mika does not want Van line often. He probably wants to stay put if possible but I'm more willing to accept the Mika does not want Van line if someone shows me Mika or his agent saying it.

 

[McRanger92]

I see this Mika does not want Van line often. He probably wants to stay put if possible but I'm more willing to accept the Mika does not want Van line if someone shows me Mika or his agent saying it.

I think if that deal was an option, it would be done.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think if that deal was an option, it would be done.

Probably but thats probably more about Van wanting a better deal than Mika refusing to go imo.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Canucks ownership/management is what our fans think the Rangers are. Completely inept to the point that they can't give away either of their top 2 Cs. meanwhile Drury traded one of the the worst D contracts in the league with 0 retention for a better defenseman with team control and a draft pick.

It's amazing how bad Trouba was that a no frills #6 defenseman is better than him.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Probably but thats probably more about Van wanting a better deal than Mika refusing to go imo.

I think a lot of this has to do with Mika and family not wanting to be an extra 6 hours further from Sweden

 

[McRanger92]

It's amazing how bad Trouba was that a no frills #6 defenseman is better than him.

Jacob bought into the Rangers corporate ballwashing when he decided to become an artist. Worst Ranger captain of all time. There were so many things that were red flags looking back now. Im just happy we got out of the contract 2 years early, completely unscathed.

 

[Fitzy]

The league has such a talent shortage that Trouba at 8 mil is traded with no retention, and teams are interested in DeAngelo.

Maybe stop expanding.

 

[haohmaru]

Will ADA result in MORE fans at Islander games or LESS?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

im honestly shocked the canucks have held on for so long. rutherford is like a a kid in a candy store w trade

Will ADA result in MORE fans at Islander games or LESS?

i mean the average islanders fan will likely revere this clown

 

[McRanger92]

im honestly shocked the canucks have held on for so long. rutherford is like a a kid in a candy store w trade

Would be hilarious if their moron owner listened to another moron in Bissonnette who told him not to trade JT for Chytil. The Canucks would be lucky at this point to get a player of Chytil's caliber for Miller. there's a 0% chance the rangers would be open to moving him if not for the long term injury concerns.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would be hilarious if their moron owner listened to another moron in Bissonnette who told him not to trade JT for Chytil. The Canucks would be lucky at this point to get a player of Chytil's caliber for Miller. there's a 0% chance the rangers would be open to moving him if not for the long term injury concerns.

i’d be shocked if they even got chytil at this point. starting to look like a package of lindgren, mid prospect and a first w protections would be a blessing for vancouver. regardless of whether or mot you want miller drury has played this insanely well

 

[kovazub94]

I'm sorry to who brought up Maata (I don't have time to find the initial source) but that's a great idea for a low-key, pretty good top-4 mobile LD. He has never put up a ton of points as he was projected to but his skating and ability to move the puck effectively are still there. My concern with him is his health as the last time he played 82 games was in 17-18 but if would take something reasonable, say $3.5m per season, I could see that being a very effective piece, like Borgen is, who could help make that left side more effective.

My problem with Maata (besides his health which is a concern in itself) is that I don't see him as a good option for 1LD - he'd be a good depth option, I guess, but that's not where the exposure is (and please let's not use this via comparison to Lindgren)

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Would be hilarious if their moron owner listened to another moron in Bissonnette who told him not to trade JT for Chytil. The Canucks would be lucky at this point to get a player of Chytil's caliber for Miller. there's a 0% chance the rangers would be open to moving him if not for the long term injury concerns.

I could see Van coming back and asking for the same package. Remove the 1st or change it to a lower round and make the deal.

I love Chytil (and Lindgren, as a competitor and a Ranger) and would hate to see him go but he’s too much of a liability and Miller is a massive upgrade over him.

Lindgren is addition by subtraction and a 2nd is the usual throw in for Drury. We all know the percentages in that round. You could easily make another deal for a better Dman than Lingren and fill his spot.