Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Siddi]

numbers don't lie

I agree.

From the same article you so blatantly omitted.

Mika Zibanejad went straight up against the Senators top line that featured Tkachuk, Drake Batherson and a myriad of wingers, and was dominant. The Zibanejad-Reilly Smith-Will Cuylle combination registered a 72.98 xGF ratio.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kreider is 2nd on the team in goals. I think 1st in PP goals. 1st in SH goals. 1st in GW goals. But he’s checked out. Yes, he looks bad out there sometimes, but he’s producing decently. Sure take him off the PP, but I think it’s worth having him active this year, and hopefully he will recover enough next year to be more productive. You should hope he improves enough to be able to trade him for something good.

Don't even waste your breath. These people can't be saved. The guy was/is clearly hurt and he still gets shit. If he plays, they get mad and call him selfish. If he doesn't play it's because he's soft and checked out. Pathetic fans.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kreider is 2nd on the team in goals. I think 1st in PP goals. 1st in SH goals. 1st in GW goals. But he’s checked out. Yes, he looks bad out there sometimes, but he’s producing decently. Sure take him off the PP, but I think it’s worth having him active this year, and hopefully he will recover enough next year to be more productive. You should hope he improves enough to be able to trade him for something good.

Is he really though? He's on pace for about 40 points this season, after scoring 75 last season. Most of his goals are tip in, he's brings almost zero at ES. The time is now to trade him in hopes a team thinks he will turn back into a motivated Kreider.

Don't even waste your breath. These people can't be saved. The guy was/is clearly hurt and he still gets shit. If he plays they get mad and call him selfish. If he doesn't play he's soft and check out. Pathetic fans.

More excuses for golden boy Kreider. He could have zero points all season and a few of you guys would still say he's great and come up with more excuses for his shit play.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

So Larry says the rangers are good again?

This is how I know this whole thing is bullshit. A month ago it was “this core is no good, they need to tear it down and start over”

And now after a good stretch, we’re back to being cup contenders

It’s nauseating to see the flip flopping by so many

 

[McRanger92]

I agree.

From the same article you so blatantly omitted.

Mika Zibanejad went straight up against the Senators top line that featured Tkachuk, Drake Batherson and a myriad of wingers, and was dominant. The Zibanejad-Reilly Smith-Will Cuylle combination registered a 72.98 xGF ratio.

Mika has been much better the last month. He's not scoring enough but that line is doing it's job well. Kreider is the real problem among the forward group because he is clearly hamstrung by something (physical or mental) and we have guys ready to take his minutes.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

the cap is going up considerably....


really shows how egregious the Trouba contract is

Yes, 92.5 is the current estimate for next season. That is the number I used.
The first two post that I put up were not an opinion take, they were factual numbers.

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[McRanger92]

This is how I know this whole thing is bullshit. A month ago it was “this core is no good, they need to tear it down and start over”

And now after a good stretch, we’re back to being cup contenders

It’s nauseating to see the flip flopping by so many

Have they not started changing the core? They gave the team open heart surgery mid-season to remove Trouba. Kakko gone is another major change. I've been saying since November, start changing out the problem players and the team's overall play will improve. Drury mentioned Trouba and Kreider by name in his memo. The changing of the core is very much still happening. You can still win games in the process.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You can like Chytil as a player. I love his speed and skillset and honestly he can be dynamic. He carries the puck well through the neutral zone. He has a decent shot.

The issue with Chytil is he is often prone to chicken without a head syndrome defensively. It's not always but it happens from time to time. That's a fair criticism of the player.

I don't think he's a finished product but you do have to wonder with the injuries if he ever will be. Using him at 4.4M as the centerpiece to acquire JT Miller, a bonafide star in the league, is a no brainer. I can't understand not wanting to do that other than (1) you dont want to trade 1sts for anyone, or (2) you are hugging a player you like.

And I am huge Chytil fan. Just trying to be objective.

Yes, 92.5 is the current estimate for next season. That is the number I used.
The first two post that I put up were not an opinion take, they were factual numbers.

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Cap estimates are $97M for next year per Friedman

 

[effen]

I don't think Kreider is checked out. I think he's broken in the same way all power forwards end up. This is probably his last 'production' year that looks good stat wise but is hollow on ice.

Next year he'll be 45 GP 6g-8a-14p and out of the league.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think Kreider is checked out. I think he's broken in the same way all power forwards end up. This is probably his last 'production' year that looks good stat wise but is hollow on ice.

Next year he'll be 45 GP 6g-8a-14p and out of the league.

I want to agree that he is that badly injured but then why is he playing?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don't think Kreider is checked out. I think he's broken in the same way all power forwards end up. This is probably his last 'production' year that looks good stat wise but is hollow on ice.

Next year he'll be 45 GP 6g-8a-14p and out of the league.

6 seems high. I was thinking he'd be lucky to score 2.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You guys may hate this post but I have to give the players, coaches, and management some credit. For a month they looked to be in a hopeless death spiral. I had no idea how they would pull out of it. Sometimes that kind of run leads to a lost season but somehow they righted the ship and stablized things a bit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think Mika has been earth shattering or even very good but he's definitely been better.

He has no slack from the majority of the fanbase so every mishandle and fumble of the puck is going to be harped on to the point of nausea but anyone who says that he's been bad the last 9-10 games is tripping.

Do we need more from him? 100%. Has he been trending in the right direction? Also 100%. I don't think his ceiling is much higher than what we're seeing now but he's been at least adequate of late.

You know who has been really bad during the current run? Ryan Lindgren.

I don't think enough has been said about just how awful he's been during this run considering how strong the team's numbers look otherwise.

If theres a possible negative out of this stretch (if it continues) is that the FO may be motivated to self rent him and pretend that he isn't a problem because they've been winning. The blind spot for this player is real.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

somebody we all* know and love
[* ok, most of us love]
said play Edstrom and esp Rempe more w/Brodz or Carrick
get Rem past growing pains like 10-ish mins a nite
and the results would unquestionably be positive

tonite Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe looked great as was advertised

could it be that prognosticator was correct?
Should we give props where credit is due?

play Rempe 4th line 10-ish mins per

1 game victory laps sure are your thing.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Is he really though? He's on pace for about 40 points this season, after scoring 75 last season. Most of his goals are tip in, he's brings almost zero at ES. The time is now to trade him in hopes a team thinks he will turn back into a motivated Kreider.


More excuses for golden boy Kreider. He could have zero points all season and a few of you guys would still say he's great and come up with more excuses for his shit play.

OK so your premise is that tip in goals are bad. Standing in front of the net blocking the goalie’s view is also unnecessary. I mean how can you increase that all important assist total when you’re 3 feet in front of the net.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

OK so your premise is that tip in goals are bad. Standing in front of the net blocking the goalie’s view is also unnecessary. I mean how can you increase that all important assist total when you’re 3 feet in front of the net.

Tip in goals are not bad. Never said that.

I said that is how he scores most of his goals. But we shouldn't be relying on him to do much 5 vs 5 because that's not how many of them are scored. He's basically just a PP expect at this point and that's how he is gets most of his goals.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

compromise offer to VAN as opposed to giving him either max or min

Borgen, Vaak, Kaliyev, Smith, Lindgren at half, Sykora, Vesey + our next 2nd
for
jtm, Forbot, Juulsen, cap dump Desharnais

sets 'nucks up for better 3rd pair long term
Smith nothing special but useful
Lindy expiring stopgap
Sykora = good prospect
Kaliyev - depth w.upside

Rs get jtm + functional 3rd pair
waive Desh->assign to Hart when not taken
reduce logjams
play youth Reme, Berard
keep Chytil, 1st, Chem


as usual, criticism of Kreider inaccurate->misplaced

no need to deal CK now; later, maybe, we'll see w/an open mind but now no

If jtm costs spare parts in currency we can afford, we do it esp since we want jtm to help push zib out the door

1. No way Vancouver takes that
2. Borgen and Vaak come in and stabilize the defense, you turn around and deal them for the Canucks 3 worst defensemen. Absolutely stupid.

 

[Trxjw]

Don’t trade for Miller, the team is playing well, the lines are gelling. The rangers still need to have a mind for the future and I’d still like to see them trade off the rentals, maybe with the exception of Borgen if there’s a chance that they sign him.

Yeah I'm not sure how rolling a JT Miller shaped grenade into the room is a recipe for continued success now that they seem to be playing alright. You wanna spend some currency? Get a real partner for Fox.

 

[bhamill]

Same reason the players and coaches have to, accountability, it's easy to hide and meddle about with the roster but when you gotta sit and take the heat for crap deals it might make you think twice before trading Buchnevich for nothing.

Meh. The GM isn't accountable to anyone but the owner or President or whatever. People still throw heat at him no matter if he talks to the media or not. You do you, but I could care less and I see it making ZERO difference anyway.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Nothing from him about Kakko, I see.

 

[kovazub94]

TBH, after some thought, I'd rather spin Lindgren off in a separate deal for picks. I fear, like some on here, the NYR will re-sign him when he gets to UFA summer, if only to keep Adam Fox happy. Teams put too much value in that type of player. He'll be Dan Girardi 2.0 win in about 2 years; we'll be begging for Drury (or whoever is the GM by then) to waive him or buy him out.

If a long-term deal was the plan - they would've signed it last offseason. Taking Lindgren out of this trade would mean some other value would have to be added instead. Injury proned Chytil and mid-1st are not enough by itself to bring JTM plus salaries for this year wouldn't match as Drury would probably want to maintain cap flexibility for more deals at TDL

 

[UnparalledPark]

I want to agree that he is that badly injured but then why is he playing?

You probably have never had a chronic back problem. He seems to be moving and making decisions that will prevent his body from taking a severe jolt that would cause a nerve to come in contact with a disc. Just being on the ice probably causes a certain amount of pain, but he is trying to protect himself from a catastrophic episode. The close ups I saw of him the last couple days frankly looked like he was stoned on pain killers.

I believe you have said many times that if he is hurt, he should sit. That is a reasonable take. My guess is that for the time being, the team is making a decision that 60% Kreider is better than 100% of one of the AHLers.

 

[McRanger92]

You probably have never had a chronic back problem. He seems to be moving and making decisions that will prevent his body from taking a severe jolt that would cause a nerve to come in contact with a disc. Just being on the ice probably causes a certain amount of pain, but he is trying to protect himself from a catastrophic episode. The close ups I saw of him the last couple days frankly looked like he was stoned on pain killers.

I believe you have said many times that if he is hurt, he should sit. That is a reasonable take. My guess is that for the time being, the team is making a decision that 60% Kreider is better than 100% of one of the AHLers.

This team has had issues with players trying to be heroes instead of getting healthy. Strome, Lindgren, Trouba. even Chytil last year if you want to count it. I dont see how an IR stint while Kreider gets his back right, and letting Berard get some games is a bad thing. If Kreider actually goes to the 4 Nations and doesnt miss any games, Im sorry but that's a terrible look.

 

[zlev]

upgrade Lindgren to a real 1st pairing D and this team has a chance. still not a good one but a chance. "upgrading" Chytil to Miller does not do it.

 

[GAGLine]

I mean, Chytil is still having plenty of defensive lapses this year. And he's always "coming off an injury". Nothing about what I said is unfair criticism.

They arent trading Mika for Miller. Everyone already said no to that. Id rather trade Mika but that's most likely going to be done concurrently or in the summer.

Calling out Chytil for 1 play in the ECF where he clearly wasn't anywhere near his best, and saying you have "nightmares" about it, is very unfair. Whatever defensive issues he has had aren't any worse than Mika's this year, or anyone else's for that matter.

When Chytil is fully healthy, he drives play better than almost anyone else on this team. He is by no means perfect, and staying healthy is easily his biggest issue. All I'm saying is that you don't need to fabricate narratives about him to justify your position.